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Here's Another Homer Bobby Bombs: the Bobby Dalbec thread
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 31, 2018 22:11:22 GMT -5
Dalbec was 4 for 36 with 17 strikeouts to close a month in which he still hit .330/.421/.773.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Aug 2, 2018 2:34:51 GMT -5
There's definitely something there with Dalbec. I do believe he'll be a major leaguer. If he can somehow hit .250 he's going to be an awesome player. He'd sport on OBP above .350 and a SA over .500 while playing good defense at 3b. I guess the question with him is what the K rates will do for his BA? Is he a .200 hitter which is a guy who can still find a major league job if he does the other two outcomes or can he hit closer to .250? If he does that, he's a potential all-star player, a guy who will be near the top of the leaderboard in homers. I'd be curious to find out but I can't stop that gnawing feeling that we'll be watching him from afar. He’s far from a sure thing. A 23 year old striking out 30% of the time in A+ ball is a big red flag. Joey Gallo for comparison struck out 26% of the time in A+ ball at age 20, and he’s still trying to figure out how to maintain success in the majors after his first 1000 PAs. Dalbec has loud tools, but is still far away from being anything close to a sure fire major leaguer. .250 BA would be a huge leap from where he’s currently at IMO. Thats a good point nomar. This is what makes following prospects so fun and interesting, but also shows how difficult it is to make comparisons. There is a long way to go from A+ to the majors. People keep comparing Dalbec to Gallo, but IMO its not the best comparison. The k rate and power makes it the easy comparison to make though. Gallo was so confusing to project due to the massive HR to K rate. Its amazing to see how fine a line it is between flop and star player. With a player like Gallo it makes me wonder if there really is a difference between a 31% K rate vs. 26% for projections sake. Both Dalbec and Gallo have such huge power it makes me think a god chunk of the K rate is luck. I would bet anything that there were more than a hand full of situations where they may as well swung the bat blindfolded haha. The K rate seperation for this particular type of player is one guy swings as hard as he can and connects for a HR vs the other player doing the same and striking out. Edit: Why I dont like the Gallo comparison.... I have seen both play enough to at least get an idea of the type of hitters they are. Personally, I think that Dalbec has a better hit tool than Gallo. The more HR Dalbec hits the more it seems like his hit tool projects drop (in SP's eyes). I think this is only because a player with this much power is so hard to project (so we start picturing him as Gallo, Dunn etc). Its a rare and unique thing, but our brains try to make sense of it by creating a picture any way we can.
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Post by malynn19 on Aug 5, 2018 15:02:54 GMT -5
451 FEET for his 2nd Homerun of the day and Double AA. I am so glad they did not trade this kid.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Aug 5, 2018 16:08:47 GMT -5
Does anyone know who is a better fielder - Dalbec or Devers? I have heard they both have strong arms. If Dalbec is the real deal, which of Dalbec or Devers do you move and to which position. Devers to firstbase?
I am beginning to think that Chavis is a trade chip once he reestablishes his value. What he and Dalbec provide seems to be about the same and I think Dalbec may be the better overall player.
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Post by patford on Aug 5, 2018 16:53:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know who is a better fielder - Dalbec or Devers? I have heard they both have strong arms. If Dalbec is the real deal, which of Dalbec or Devers do you move and to which position. Devers to firstbase? I am beginning to think that Chavis is a trade chip once he reestablishes his value. What he and Dalbec provide seems to be about the same and I think Dalbec may be the better overall player. Devers has made his share of really good plays in the field. Along with too many errors, but he is headed in the right direction. Based on scouting reports I think Dalbec has a somewhat better arm. A real cannon. I'm pleased Dombrowski didn't deal either of them. I trust his judgement when it comes to evaluating talent.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 5, 2018 17:05:47 GMT -5
Does anyone know who is a better fielder - Dalbec or Devers? I have heard they both have strong arms. If Dalbec is the real deal, which of Dalbec or Devers do you move and to which position. Devers to firstbase? I am beginning to think that Chavis is a trade chip once he reestablishes his value. What he and Dalbec provide seems to be about the same and I think Dalbec may be the better overall player. Devers has made his share of really good plays in the field. Along with too many errors, but he is headed in the right direction. Based on scouting reports I think Dalbec has a somewhat better arm. A real cannon. I'm pleased Dombrowski didn't deal either of them. I trust his judgement when it comes to evaluating talent. The crazy part is Dalbec is 2 years older than Devers. Just shows how good a talent Devers really is to be playing at the level he is.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 5, 2018 22:14:24 GMT -5
Dalbec is a better fielder. Similar arms. Devers is light years better as a hitter and I don't mean that as a knock on Dalbec. Similar power, but Devers' hit tool is a full grade or maybe even two full grades better, and that's the most important difference between the two.
But most importantly, we're more than a year away from the point you begin to worry about that. Dalbec will be in the majors earlier than September 2019 only if he absolutely destroys AA and AAA. Not impossible, but they've got the luxury of letting him continue to marinate.
Devers' bat could play at 1B, but the calculus is whether Dalbec/Devers is better than Devers/the first baseman Dalbec would displace.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2018 1:26:37 GMT -5
For my crystal ball, Dalbec is probably the better fielder right now but he's also two years older than Devers. Overall, I think they will both be plus defenders as they mature.
Dalbec probably has the power edge but not as big a difference as the hitting tool advantage that Devers has.
I also wouldn't be discounting Chavis anytime soon.
It's also way too early to think about who is playing where two years from now. Remember when we were debating Middlebrooks/Cecchini ?
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Post by telson13 on Aug 6, 2018 2:29:02 GMT -5
For my crystal ball, Dalbec is probably the better fielder right now but he's also two years older than Devers. Overall, I think they will both be plus defenders as they mature. Dalbec probably has the power edge but not as big a difference as the hitting tool advantage that Devers has. I also wouldn't be discounting Chavis anytime soon. It's also way too early to think about who is playing where two years from now. Remember when we were debating Middlebrooks/Cecchini ? Yeah, I think we should all just slow down and enjoy the Bobby Bombs ride, because it’s unlikely he’s in the majors before he’s 25 (or very close to it). The Devers/Chavis/Dalbec trio is a great problem to have, but there’s a lot that can happen. I love Dalbec’s ability to take walks, and his power is easily 70 raw. And his fielding makes a poor hit tool livable provided he can stay above .240 or so and access the power. But that’s all a LONG way off. And as you say, it’s easy, but folly, to forget that Devers is just 21. His all-around game is going to improve, quite a bit in all liklihood. So let’s just hope Devers is the real deal, Chavis comes back strong and rebuilds value, and Dalbec can get his K rate under 30% in AA/AAA while maintaining this ridiculous HR pace. Ockimey looks like a fantastic LH side platoon, too. They’ll have options at 3rd and 1st, and a trade chip or two if JDM stays on for the duration. The system is thin right now, but it could fatten up real quickly if these guys, and a few others, keep developing as they have.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Aug 6, 2018 5:32:50 GMT -5
Does anyone know who is a better fielder - Dalbec or Devers? I have heard they both have strong arms. If Dalbec is the real deal, which of Dalbec or Devers do you move and to which position. Devers to firstbase? I am beginning to think that Chavis is a trade chip once he reestablishes his value. What he and Dalbec provide seems to be about the same and I think Dalbec may be the better overall player. I definitely cant answer this like a lot of guys here can, but I would guess Dalbec has the better glove. Both very strong arms. I have a feeling that by the time Dalbec is ready we will have a shift to 1b for Devers anyways. We will be looking to do something at 1b where Moreland is on the south side of his career. Michael Chavis will complicate things as well. I no longer see him having any chance at 3b, but if 1b is the ultimate destination then this could be interesting. DH will be JDs spot for awhile. Definitely a good situation to be in!
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 6, 2018 9:30:16 GMT -5
I believe Dalbec is the better prospect than Chavis at the moment
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 6, 2018 12:45:14 GMT -5
I believe Dalbec is the better prospect than Chavis at the moment Probably a better third baseman, but not a better prospect. Chavis has a better hit tool at the moment.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 6, 2018 13:28:16 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Chavis had a higher Iso at Salem last year than Dalbec did this year (and Chavis was two years younger).
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Post by carmenfanzone on Aug 6, 2018 16:06:39 GMT -5
Dalbec and Devers have been two of my favorites for some time now. While admittedly Dalbec still has a ways to go, this year he has taken a big step forward and now has to at least be considered in any discussions about the future. I can't see how the Red Sox will need all three of Dalbec, Devers, and Chavis. One seems likely to be trade bait to me. Given that I think Chavis is the worst fielder and given that you have to wonder ( at least a little) about how much of his success was due to banned substances), I think he is the one I would move if he can reestablish his value.
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Post by michael on Aug 6, 2018 19:56:28 GMT -5
Isn’t it funny, we’ve gone from “DD trashed our farm system” to discussing/guessing who of three prospects will succeed and at which position in two years.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 6, 2018 21:57:42 GMT -5
I think the Sox farm will produce some solid players over the next few years and if used correctly will help keep the Sox very competitve. Like I can see Chatham turning into a super sub.
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Post by drrigormortis on Aug 7, 2018 13:35:22 GMT -5
Interesting quotes from last week... Portland Press Herald:MiLB.com:If Dalbec's wrist injury was indeed that severe, this relatively quick return to full strength is a good sign. That's the kind of stuff that can end a hitter's career. Should Dalbec be able to confirm his recent performances with good hitting and a serviceable glove at the upper MiLB levels, he might eventually find a place at some team's 25-man roster.
His arm is presumably one of the strongest among infielders in all of baseball. I'll elaborate on that at another time, since this post has already become long enough.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 7, 2018 14:28:04 GMT -5
What is kind of crazy is that he was intentionally walked in his 3rd AA game.
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Post by manfred on Aug 7, 2018 15:10:11 GMT -5
I don’t think I registered that he is a plus defender before. I knew he had a cannon, of course. He could end up being a Scott Rolen type (I mean peak — not a near-HOF career).
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Post by Ryanod1 on Aug 9, 2018 5:22:48 GMT -5
Isn’t it funny, we’ve gone from “DD trashed our farm system” to discussing/guessing who of three prospects will succeed and at which position in two years. I think the big part of this is what we HAD vs what we HAVE now. Our farm system was the best that Ive ever seen at one point. I know that is only my opinion, but the upside was enormous. In 2015 we had Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, Moncada, Espinoza, Chavis, Shaw, Ball (when he still had big upside), and Margot in our system. That doesnt include the many other players with high upside (Like Basabe, Logan Allen, Dubon). We did get players like Shawaryn, Dalbec, Chatham, Shawn Anderson and Groome in 2016, which helped, but the '15 prospects were off the charts. Its crazy to think about all those guys with Bogey, Betts, Swihart etc.. already rounding out the big club. So I think most still will feel the same way with DD, but at the same time we love our small victories lol. When seeing what we DID have its a fall is harder from the top scenario. I am excited about our 2018 boys future. Edit: Just a random fyi...guys like Logan Allen and Shaun Anderson are having fantastic years in 2018. Anderson alone is quickly becoming SF top pitching prospect. Allen has moved up to 8th rank for mlb top 100 in a very good Padres system. Currently with a 2.75 ERA and 125 k in 121 IP. Kind of cool to see, but would be nice if we still had them haha.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 9, 2018 15:44:49 GMT -5
I don’t think I registered that he is a plus defender before. I knew he had a cannon, of course. He could end up being a Scott Rolen type (I mean peak — not a near-HOF career). FWIW, I don't know that I'd call him a plus defender from my limited looks. Average at worst, but I wouldn't confidently say he's better than a 50 or 55 defender. 60 is aggressive, imo. That, of course, is no knock on him. Plus arm. Hands work. Moves pretty well for his size. He'll be good at 3B.
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Post by manfred on Aug 9, 2018 16:26:00 GMT -5
I don’t think I registered that he is a plus defender before. I knew he had a cannon, of course. He could end up being a Scott Rolen type (I mean peak — not a near-HOF career). FWIW, I don't know that I'd call him a plus defender from my limited looks. Average at worst, but I wouldn't confidently say he's better than a 50 or 55 defender. 60 is aggressive, imo. That, of course, is no knock on him. Plus arm. Hands work. Moves pretty well for his size. He'll be good at 3B. Well, I trust you guys. I never see them until it’s the big time.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 9, 2018 19:17:05 GMT -5
Dalbec with another 2 home run game...between Salem and Portland, that's 30 home runs. Insane Power.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 9, 2018 23:58:07 GMT -5
I don’t think I registered that he is a plus defender before. I knew he had a cannon, of course. He could end up being a Scott Rolen type (I mean peak — not a near-HOF career). FWIW, I don't know that I'd call him a plus defender from my limited looks. Average at worst, but I wouldn't confidently say he's better than a 50 or 55 defender. 60 is aggressive, imo. That, of course, is no knock on him. Plus arm. Hands work. Moves pretty well for his size. He'll be good at 3B. To some extent, that depends on how you are using the term 'plus defender'. If that term is a substitute for range then I'd be inclined to agree with you. If that term is defense as a whole, range and arm, I'd tend to think he's a plus defender. If your range is average to better and your arm is plus plus, you are probably a plus defender but that's just semantics. If we recall, when Devers was at Salem, it seemed like every eye witness account came away with a remark on how surprised they were at Dever's range that it seemed like he made a lot of spectacular plays. We don't see that as much with Dalbec but, that could also be short sample size viewing.
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Post by danr on Aug 10, 2018 0:43:04 GMT -5
Dalbec is beginning to remind me of Travis Shaw. He appears to be getting better as he moves up. He has more power than Shaw and based on observations of others, he is a better fielder. It has been my observation of many years of watching the development of players that improving at higher levels is a very good sign for future performance. Of course, AA pitchers have no idea how to pitch him yet. It will be interesting to see how the season plays out. If he keeps this up, he is going to be an impact player.
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