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Here's Another Homer Bobby Bombs: the Bobby Dalbec thread
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Post by telson13 on Aug 10, 2018 0:59:28 GMT -5
Dalbec is beginning to remind me of Travis Shaw. He appears to be getting better as he moves up. He has more power than Shaw and based on observations of others, he is a better fielder. It has been my observation of many years of watching the development of players that improving at higher levels is a very good sign for future performance. Of course, AA pitchers have no idea how to pitch him yet. It will be interesting to see how the season plays out. If he keeps this up, he is going to be an impact player. I’ve had a similar impression. The guys who end up being solid or even really good seem to have a series of incremental improvements as they move up, and often a significant breakout at some point too. But it’s those significant level jumps (especially AA from high A and A ball from SS) where, when a guy adjusts and even gets better, that I really start having confidence in his future. Dalbec’s looked great in AA although te Ks are still very high; Ockimey’s another guy who comes to mind, who’s seen a big power spike in AA at just 22, despite his other stats remaining similar.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 10, 2018 9:02:45 GMT -5
Hard not to get excited about his power at this point and with K's becoming the norm in todays game his timing is perfect. The future power at the corners with him and Devers is looking pretty solid.
Yes I could be getting ahead of myself but it is looking promising.
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Post by azblue on Aug 10, 2018 10:36:03 GMT -5
“The defense has been consistently-plus all year at third base. It’s been a strength,” [Red Sox director of player personnel] Crockett said.
What is more likely to be the more accurate assessment of Dalbec's defense--the Red Sox' director of player personnel, having two years of daily reports available to him plus regular conversations with Dalbec's manager or someone who has "limited looks"?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 10, 2018 12:00:57 GMT -5
451 FEET for his 2nd Homerun of the day and Double AA. I am so glad they did not trade this kid. Dombrowski has a jag for him, and his instincts seem to be top-notch. Speaking of instincts, the defensive side of Dalbec's game sounds as if it's good to very good, and that's a huge plus for me. I don't think people should be throwing Scott Rolen's name around. He was one of the finest fielding third baseman I've ever watched. But if he's anywhere in the vicinity that would be a very big deal. He will be different as a hitter. Rolen barely went over a 20% K-rate just twice in his career. Dalbec may never get under that. But if the power he's showing translates to MLB and if he can make consistent hard contact, there's plenty of value, and on both sides of the ball it seems.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 10, 2018 13:27:45 GMT -5
It is definitely different if Dalbec can keep hitting in AA. I still think it's more probable that Dalbec becomes a trade chip if the Sox don't plan on moving Devers off of 3rd base, but there's a year or two to make decisions on these type of things.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 10, 2018 17:04:14 GMT -5
451 FEET for his 2nd Homerun of the day and Double AA. I am so glad they did not trade this kid. Dombrowski has a jag for him, and his instincts seem to be top-notch. Speaking of instincts, the defensive side of Dalbec's game sounds as if it's good to very good, and that's a huge plus for me. I don't think people should be throwing Scott Rolen's name around. He was one of the finest fielding third baseman I've ever watched. But if he's anywhere in the vicinity that would be a very big deal. He will be different as a hitter. Rolen barely went over a 20% K-rate just twice in his career. Dalbec may never get under that. But if the power he's showing translates to MLB and if he can make consistent hard contact, there's plenty of value, and on both sides of the ball it seems. I believe Dalbec has 3 plus tools...which is why I think it’s laughable mlb left dalbec off their top 100 list. I’d love to know a better power hitter in the minors with the arm and glove of dalbec? but it’s ok. MLB has been underrating the Red Sox prospects for months now...a lot of really good young players with huge potential
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Post by willacky on Aug 10, 2018 17:13:59 GMT -5
Matt Chapman from the Oakland A's might be a good comp.
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 10, 2018 17:22:25 GMT -5
Dombrowski has a jag for him, and his instincts seem to be top-notch. Speaking of instincts, the defensive side of Dalbec's game sounds as if it's good to very good, and that's a huge plus for me. I don't think people should be throwing Scott Rolen's name around. He was one of the finest fielding third baseman I've ever watched. But if he's anywhere in the vicinity that would be a very big deal. He will be different as a hitter. Rolen barely went over a 20% K-rate just twice in his career. Dalbec may never get under that. But if the power he's showing translates to MLB and if he can make consistent hard contact, there's plenty of value, and on both sides of the ball it seems. I believe Dalbec has 3 plus tools...which is why I think it’s laughable mlb left dalbec off their top 100 list. I’d love to know a better power hitter in the minors with the arm and glove of dalbec? but it’s ok. MLB has been underrating the Red Sox prospects for months now...a lot of really good young players with huge potential I get you have a man crush on Bobby Bombs. He has incredible power. But to say MLB leaving him off their top 100 list is laughable, is . . . well, laughable. Hard to complain that a 23 yr old in A+ (granted 4 games in AA now) striking out 30% or more of the time was left of the top prospects list. You might make a good argument for him to be included, but a good argument can be made for him to not be included as well. If you're going to champion your favorite prospect, you have to understand and accept his faults and see why some people are concerned. Calling MLB's choice laughable doesn't seem like you understand his K rate could be a serious problem in AA, AA or MLB. He has some serious development ahead of him. If you think he'll make the necessary adjustments, tell us why.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2018 1:52:04 GMT -5
I believe Dalbec has 3 plus tools...which is why I think it’s laughable mlb left dalbec off their top 100 list. I’d love to know a better power hitter in the minors with the arm and glove of dalbec? but it’s ok. MLB has been underrating the Red Sox prospects for months now...a lot of really good young players with huge potential I get you have a man crush on Bobby Bombs. He has incredible power. But to say MLB leaving him off their top 100 list is laughable, is . . . well, laughable. Hard to complain that a 23 yr old in A+ (granted 4 games in AA now) striking out 30% or more of the time was left of the top prospects list. You might make a good argument for him to be included, but a good argument can be made for him to not be included as well. If you're going to champion your favorite prospect, you have to understand and accept his faults and see why some people are concerned. Calling MLB's choice laughable doesn't seem like you understand his K rate could be a serious problem in AA, AA or MLB. He has some serious development ahead of him. If you think he'll make the necessary adjustments, tell us why. I found his MLB rant even more laughable and pretty sad at the same time.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 11, 2018 9:19:00 GMT -5
I get you have a man crush on Bobby Bombs. He has incredible power. But to say MLB leaving him off their top 100 list is laughable, is . . . well, laughable. Hard to complain that a 23 yr old in A+ (granted 4 games in AA now) striking out 30% or more of the time was left of the top prospects list. You might make a good argument for him to be included, but a good argument can be made for him to not be included as well. If you're going to champion your favorite prospect, you have to understand and accept his faults and see why some people are concerned. Calling MLB's choice laughable doesn't seem like you understand his K rate could be a serious problem in AA, AA or MLB. He has some serious development ahead of him. If you think he'll make the necessary adjustments, tell us why. I found his MLB rant even more laughable and pretty sad at the same time. So you agree with mlbs take that we don’t have any top 100 prospects in all of baseball?
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 11, 2018 9:23:38 GMT -5
I believe Dalbec has 3 plus tools...which is why I think it’s laughable mlb left dalbec off their top 100 list. I’d love to know a better power hitter in the minors with the arm and glove of dalbec? but it’s ok. MLB has been underrating the Red Sox prospects for months now...a lot of really good young players with huge potential I get you have a man crush on Bobby Bombs. He has incredible power. But to say MLB leaving him off their top 100 list is laughable, is . . . well, laughable. Hard to complain that a 23 yr old in A+ (granted 4 games in AA now) striking out 30% or more of the time was left of the top prospects list. You might make a good argument for him to be included, but a good argument can be made for him to not be included as well. If you're going to champion your favorite prospect, you have to understand and accept his faults and see why some people are concerned. Calling MLB's choice laughable doesn't seem like you understand his K rate could be a serious problem in AA, AA or MLB. He has some serious development ahead of him. If you think he'll make the necessary adjustments, tell us why. Strikeouts aren’t a big deal to me as long as he continues to get on base, get walks, keep his OPS at .800, and hit the 30-50 home runs he’s going to hit Some of history’s greatest power hitters lead the league in strikeouts. What’s key is dalbec continues to get on base
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2018 9:53:32 GMT -5
I get you have a man crush on Bobby Bombs. He has incredible power. But to say MLB leaving him off their top 100 list is laughable, is . . . well, laughable. Hard to complain that a 23 yr old in A+ (granted 4 games in AA now) striking out 30% or more of the time was left of the top prospects list. You might make a good argument for him to be included, but a good argument can be made for him to not be included as well. If you're going to champion your favorite prospect, you have to understand and accept his faults and see why some people are concerned. Calling MLB's choice laughable doesn't seem like you understand his K rate could be a serious problem in AA, AA or MLB. He has some serious development ahead of him. If you think he'll make the necessary adjustments, tell us why. Strikeouts aren’t a big deal to me as long as he continues to get on base, get walks, keep his OPS at .800, and hit the 30-50 home runs he’s going to hit Some of history’s greatest power hitters lead the league in strikeouts. What’s key is dalbec continues to get on base That's not a very exciting prospect if that's what he ends up at. Basically Joey Gallo this year (110 wRC+). I think you're putting too much emphasis on HR.
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Post by alnipper on Aug 11, 2018 10:09:40 GMT -5
I have been watching him since his college days. I am very excited to see a nice guy do really good this year. I had my doubts he would be nothing more than Bryce Brentz at best. I now see him hitting off-speed pitches hard now. This is encouraging. Hopefully he is recognizing the off-speed pitches and not just guessing. In college he swung and missed on way too many pitches to make it out of AA. I actually liked his chances as a long reliever better. He didn't have much movement on his low 90's fastball, but he had advanced accuracy for a college pitcher. He'd be my first choice for the Arizona Fall league.
I will be happy to see him as a platoon player or a great bench piece. Anything more is just a bonus. Soxprospects has the top 10 correct in my opinion. Chavis should be Top 100 in MLB rankings by the end of the year and play with Bobby in the Fall League.
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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2018 11:00:09 GMT -5
Strikeouts aren’t a big deal to me as long as he continues to get on base, get walks, keep his OPS at .800, and hit the 30-50 home runs he’s going to hit Some of history’s greatest power hitters lead the league in strikeouts. What’s key is dalbec continues to get on base That's not a very exciting prospect if that's what he ends up at. Basically Joey Gallo this year (110 wRC+). I think you're putting too much emphasis on HR. Eh, a 3B with above-average defense and a 110 wRC+ is a pretty good player.
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Post by nomar on Aug 11, 2018 11:07:44 GMT -5
That's not a very exciting prospect if that's what he ends up at. Basically Joey Gallo this year (110 wRC+). I think you're putting too much emphasis on HR. Eh, a 3B with above-average defense and a 110 wRC+ is a pretty good player. Yeah that’s basically Moustakas.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 11, 2018 11:32:14 GMT -5
Strikeouts aren’t a big deal to me as long as he continues to get on base, get walks, keep his OPS at .800, and hit the 30-50 home runs he’s going to hit Some of history’s greatest power hitters lead the league in strikeouts. What’s key is dalbec continues to get on base That's not a very exciting prospect if that's what he ends up at. Basically Joey Gallo this year (110 wRC+). I think you're putting too much emphasis on HR. I'd be pretty excited if Dalbec's end result was Joey Gallo...but that's just me.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2018 12:28:58 GMT -5
That's not a very exciting prospect if that's what he ends up at. Basically Joey Gallo this year (110 wRC+). I think you're putting too much emphasis on HR. Eh, a 3B with above-average defense and a 110 wRC+ is a pretty good player. I agree, but that's not the kind of player I'm gushing over as a prospect if that's his upside. What would excite me is if he keeps his k's under 30% and doesn't struggle to hit .200 in the majors. If he can hit .250, his OBP and SLG should be very good to elite. But if he is hovering around .200, he'll struggle to keep his OPS over .800. There is a fine line between Joey Gallo and current day Chris Davis.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2018 12:47:48 GMT -5
Eh, a 3B with above-average defense and a 110 wRC+ is a pretty good player. Yeah that’s basically Moustakas. It's not like Moustakas because there's so much more risk with someone with strikeout problems. I hope he's closer to Judge than Gallo.
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Post by nomar on Aug 12, 2018 9:58:59 GMT -5
Yeah that’s basically Moustakas. It's not like Moustakas because there's so much more risk with someone with strikeout problems. I hope he's closer to Judge than Gallo. I said that a 110 wRC+ with a solid glove is Moustakas, not that Dalbec is. I still don’t think Dalbec will hit enough to stay in the MLB at his current rate. His hit tool is worse than Gallo’s IMO.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 12, 2018 20:22:46 GMT -5
Just another home run for Bobby....off a low slider
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Post by bluechip on Aug 12, 2018 21:37:13 GMT -5
Yeah that’s basically Moustakas. It's not like Moustakas because there's so much more risk with someone with strikeout problems. I hope he's closer to Judge than Gallo. Judge’s minor league strikeout rate was far superior.
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Post by sparkygian on Aug 13, 2018 3:59:43 GMT -5
Dalbec is such a fascinating prospect to me, and a lot of that is the result of the current debate, and differing schools of thought over the true worth of all-or-nothing power hitters in MLB, like Gallo and Chris Davis, or past players like Kingman. The fact that he elicits so many comparisons to someone like Chris Davis, yet isn't worthy of a top-100 ranking on the most respected prospect ranking lists out there, is very interesting to me. The paradox that is Chris Davis, someone who was very highly respected, feared, and a highly ranked first baseman just a few years ago -- enough so to get an ultra-high dollar, long-term contract, that was very highly questioned at the time despite Davis' impressive power stats. Now, someone like Davis is pointed out as a reason why Dalbec is not highly thought of as a seriously legitimate prospect. Such a paradox that a hitter can have a history of a high strikeout rate, a low batting average, and not be a star defensive player, yet if he has a history of banging out lots of homeruns on playoff caliber teams, he can be rewarded as an all-star, and get a record payout contract. However if the same player has a dropoff in homerun production, and/or plays for a lousy team, the high salary and all-star recognition are non-existent. This year Chris Davis' other hitting stats that he never excelled at in the past have regressed so much so that he's really not deserving of a roster spot on any team, yet the Orioles are playing him because of the enormous amount of money they gave him a few years ago when he cranking out a lot of homers for playoff bound teams. So how highly should Dalbec be considered as a legitimate prospect? At least he plays a more important defensive position, and plays it quite well, from everything I'm reading.
Seems like homeruns are more than ever, the sexy, 'boobs' of the sport. Whether they're natural, or fake (steroids), homeruns always catch the eyes of the fans, and the teams. However they're not all that valuable unless they're used appropriately - in which case the more the merrier I guess.
I really hope Dalbec ends up having a better 'hit' tool than he's flashing right now. The fact that he plays at least solid defense at 3b, makes all his homeruns seem even more attractive, but maybe not enough to really catch the eyes of evaluators and scouts.
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Post by cologneredsox on Aug 13, 2018 5:43:19 GMT -5
Watching the stats of guys like Santana, Gallo etc.: Isn't the most important question, what obp Dalbec can add to his Power? If he gets to .330 and maintains his Power, he'd be a valuable Player, wouldn't he? Does the k-rate give us information aboutw his obp?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 13, 2018 12:11:09 GMT -5
Matt Chapman from the Oakland A's might be a good comp. Chapman is an interesting comp for sure. In 2016 he had a 11.7 BB%, 29.2 K% in 504 AA PAs. In 2017, 12.3 BB%, 30.9 K% in 204 AAA PAs, and 9.8 BB%, 28.2 K% in 326 MLB PAs. This year, in 425 MLB PAs, he's at 10.1 BB%, 23.1 K%. Obviously there's reasons to temper your optimism when the path to success for this kind of profile is represented by one guy, but still, it's better than zero guys. I brought this up in reference to Moncada a little while back, but I wonder if Dalbec is a guy who's going to have to be more aggressive as he moves up. High walks, high strikeouts indicates that he's going deep in counts often, and I don't know if that's going to work against MLB pitchers. But the fact that he does walk indicates that he at least has some kind of plan at the plate, he isn't just a pure hacker. And I'd bet on a guy with an approach changing that approach before I'd bet on a guy with no approach learning one. It's a risky profile, but I do think there's some daylight here.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2018 12:16:56 GMT -5
Matt Chapman from the Oakland A's might be a good comp. Chapman is an interesting comp for sure. In 2016 he had a 11.7 BB%, 29.2 K% in 504 AA PAs. In 2017, 12.3 BB%, 30.9 K% in 204 AAA PAs, and 9.8 BB%, 28.2 K% in 326 MLB PAs. This year, in 425 MLB PAs, he's at 10.1 BB%, 23.1 K%. Obviously there's reasons to temper your optimism when the path to success for this kind of profile is represented by one guy, but still, it's better than zero guys. I brought this up in reference to Moncada a little while back, but I wonder if Dalbec is a guy who's going to have to be more aggressive as he moves up. High walks, high strikeouts indicates that he's going deep in counts often, and I don't know if that's going to work against MLB pitchers. But the fact that he does walk indicates that he at least has some kind of plan at the plate, he isn't just a pure hacker. And I'd bet on a guy with an approach changing that approach before I'd bet on a guy with no approach learning one. It's a risky profile, but I do think there's some daylight here. At least the power should limit pitchers from attacking him in the zone unlike with Moncada and the worst example- Cecchini. Middlebrooks was a guessing hacker the whole way.
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