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Post by remember04 on Feb 5, 2013 15:56:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Jerez has had a hard time staying healthy, but there is no reason to give up on him just yet. Good to know I'm not alone in the Jerez fan club.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 5, 2013 16:39:51 GMT -5
This is a great idea ..... we need a thread where everyone picks their top 3 or 4 "risers" or "sleepers" and where they will end up ranked in Sept. or after the season. As a sucker for Dominicans/HSers, put me down for Margot, Suarez, Mercedes, Flores coming stateside and breaking out; Rijo, dominating the DSL, and Buttery, Kukuk and Callahan showing top-10 potential/refinement.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 5, 2013 23:54:37 GMT -5
More proof of the rarified air Bogaerts is in:
- He's listed in the top 10 for each of the four editors' top 50s. H'es behind Profar, Bundy, Tavares, Myers on each list, and he's behind Fernandez 3x, Cole 2x, and Miller, Buxton, and Wheeler on Callis's list - Only players ranked at a higher "tier" are: Dylan Bundy (75M), Oscar Tavares (70L), Wil Myers (70L), Jurickson Profar (75L) - Only players in his "tier" are: Tyler Skaggs (65L), Jose Fernandez (70M), Gerrit Cole (70M), Shelby Miller (70M)
--------- BTW, following up on Casey Kelly being the Pads' #1 prospect, he got a 55 Medium grade. In the Sox' system, he'd have been either 5th or 6th, ranked in Owens' tier.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Feb 6, 2013 13:17:10 GMT -5
Care to play name the prospect?
I've been named ( by my competing managers who know a bit) to the All star team each of my two years.
I"ve progressed from 120 to 150 innings and should throw180 this year.
I've been mentioned by my gm as a major league depth option for this year
Who am I and why didn't I crack your top thirty?
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 6, 2013 13:31:35 GMT -5
Care to play name the prospect? I've been named ( by my competing managers who know a bit) to the All star team each of my two years. I"ve progressed from 120 to 150 innings and should throw180 this year. I've been mentioned by my gm as a major league depth option for this year Who am I and why didn't I crack your top thirty? I guess Chris Hernandez didn't crack the top 30 based on his average/mediocre stuff. The guys at BA probably think his success won't translate to the big league level.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 6, 2013 13:31:57 GMT -5
Care to play name the prospect? I've been named ( by my competing managers who know a bit) to the All star team each of my two years. I"ve progressed from 120 to 150 innings and should throw180 this year. I've been mentioned by my gm as a major league depth option for this year Who am I and why didn't I crack your top thirty? That would be Chris "[w]alks a fine line with stuff... [w]ill have to be extremely fine against major league hitter " Hernandez.
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Post by larrycook on Feb 6, 2013 13:53:30 GMT -5
Does anybody else think they have over rated marrero? If by 'over' you meant 'under', then yes. Looking for a big jump from him this year.... EDIT: Also, the cliff that Williams Jerez fell off makes the sting of the guy picked right after him that much greater. Big Austin Hedges fan.... What evidence have you seen from his play in Lowwell that makes you believe he will have a biig year? Do you think he jumps Vincio and starts the season at Salem?
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Feb 6, 2013 14:30:23 GMT -5
Hernandez is of course correct.
It does seem to me that his stuff projects (and team leaderships seems to agree) much better than these ratings do.
I think the 'lefty curve' is much more likely to get called at the major league level. This could have a large effect on his projection and ultimate success.
A larger point could also be made about the "love of the gun" and iits influence on the ratings as a whole.
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Post by hammerhead on Feb 6, 2013 14:49:31 GMT -5
I agree to some extent , but on the other hand he could really dominate with guile in AAA and come up and be batting practice in the show. Or there is the in-between scenario where he ends up as a LOOGY.
One of the reason's that a guy like Hernandez doesn't get much respect is that there seems to be a whole lot of guys with that same profile. The Weiland types who look like real competitors in AAA. There seems to be a comparatively high flame out rate with guys who are "control" types with no real plus pitches (not saying Hernandez has no plus pitches but.....).
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2013 15:13:05 GMT -5
A larger point could also be made about the "love of the gun" and iits influence on the ratings as a whole. I guess. But the reality is that velocity is very important. And yes, some pitchers with bad velocity can still be good. Sometimes there's good NBA players under six feet. That doesn't mean hight isn't important for a basketball player.
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Post by hammerhead on Feb 6, 2013 15:27:51 GMT -5
I think most guys doing top whatever rankings prefer high ceiling over high floor every time. Although I'm not sure in that case why they are relatively high on (15) when he has the same issues presumably.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 6, 2013 16:00:21 GMT -5
In reality people don't like to read about the next Barry Zito, but not the Barry Zito when he was in his Prime the Barry Zito of today. They like to read about the next great, the next Pedro, the next Trout or whatever.
P.S couldn't think of another lefty with avg stuff to below avg stuff so Zito was the 1st that came to mind though its not a perfect comp. I like Hernandez in fact I like him more than Brian Johnson.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 6, 2013 22:42:44 GMT -5
Knew Hernandez would come up.
On the team depth chart page, he and Dylan Chavez are the only LHRP's listed. Obviously, the fact that BA (like most of the scouting world) projects him to move to the bullpen factors in to his ranking.
In a less deep system, maybe he'd crack the top 30. We don't have him in our top 30 either.
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Post by geezergeek on Feb 11, 2013 0:38:13 GMT -5
Can't believe we gave Oakland Head. It could have been worse if we included Titts.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Mar 27, 2013 10:34:01 GMT -5
Baseball America ranked redsox farm at 6th. link
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Post by mrnewengland on Mar 27, 2013 10:45:36 GMT -5
That's pretty impressive. And they aren't even including Rubby De La Rosa on there. And there's a chance that no one will graduate before next years draft... a draft where we have a strong pick.
Fake edit: I did say a chance that no one will graduate.
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Post by charliezink16 on Mar 27, 2013 10:59:14 GMT -5
That's pretty impressive. And they aren't even including Rubby De La Rosa on there. And there's a chance that no one will graduate before next years draft... a draft where we have a strong pick. Fake edit: I did say a chance that no one will graduate. I see the fake edit, but my guess is that at least 2 of Bradley, Iglesias, Brentz, and Webster graduate, depending on how the season plays out. Personally, when it comes to prospect rankings, I give more leeway before a player exhausts his "prospect eligibility". Regardless on their major league service, I still consider guys like Lavarnway, Kalish, and RDLR prospects, and this will seem overly optimistic to some, but under that criteria, Boston's farm may be even better than their #6 ranking warrants.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 27, 2013 11:07:28 GMT -5
That's pretty impressive. And they aren't even including Rubby De La Rosa on there. And there's a chance that no one will graduate before next years draft... a draft where we have a strong pick. Fake edit: I did say a chance that no one will graduate. If I were a betting man, I would wager that Bradley, Iglesias, and Webster all graduate. Probably one or two others. Balanced against that will be the player selected at 7 and in the second round.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 27, 2013 12:58:18 GMT -5
On top of that, if Webster and Bradley don't graduate it means they didn't play well enough to earn their promotion, and that their prospect status won't be as high.
Iglesias is in a slightly different situation. He's very likely to graduate, but even if he doesn't he could have a season that's good enough with the bat at Triple-A to re-energize his prospect status, but still not good enough to push Drew aside in the short term. With Drew's injury that's increasingly unlikely, but still possible.
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Post by mainesox on Mar 27, 2013 13:00:35 GMT -5
I'd bet on Iglesias graduating, Bradley is looking extremely likely at this point too, Webster wouldn't surprise me either way though - I think it depends on the health of the ML rotation (and the nature of their injuries, really).
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Post by patrmac04 on Mar 27, 2013 14:13:11 GMT -5
Baseball America ranked redsox farm at 6th. linkJust looking over the projected top 40 prospects and I was left with a feeling of happiness. I don't follow anyone else's farm systems... so I have to take this with a grain of salt, but I feel good about the direction of the current sox system. Sent from my SGH-T999 using proboards
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 27, 2013 14:15:48 GMT -5
Pretty happy we are getting good reviews on our farm system for the first time in a while.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 27, 2013 14:42:54 GMT -5
I'd bet on Bradley graduating, don't think Iglesias is a big deal either way, and I'd say Webster's less than 50% on that ... but the biggest factors are mostly the unknown: the pace of development or lack thereof of players in the system. How many, if any, of the guys in A-ball (Owens, Cecchini, Swihart, etc) make a big move up prospect rankings? Does someone like Margot burst onto the scene in a big day? Does Ranaudo bounce back into the conversation? Does Barnes or Bogaerts take a hit to their status for some reason or another? Are there more good surprises than bad? Those are the things that'll make a difference from this year to next.
I think there are enough possibilities for breakouts among the A-ball players that the Sox are likely to get some big upward movers to come close to replacing the graduate(s), but we'll see. Then the draft picks are on top of that.
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 27, 2013 15:17:12 GMT -5
In the very little we have seen from our farm system in 2013 there is a lot to like. I was more impressed with Webster's ML spring training than Bradleys over the same time period. I am hoping he can keep performing over a larger sample size (talking about his stuff, not his stats). If he does I don't see why he is not a top 25 prospect. Iglesias has also shown a better than advertised approach at the plate this spring, although I think he will use up his prospect eligibility by default to start the season. And I don't need to mention Bradley.
There are similarities between Brentz and Middlebrooks development, and I am hoping to see Brentz 2013 be similar to Middlebrooks 2012 without the broken bone.
Owens striking 13 out of 15, be it in minor league spring training, is simply impressive.
Now I don't expect Brentz to be a .800 slugger or Owens to have a 23.4 K/9 ratio, I am just saying there has been a lot to like about our prospects this preseason. We might be lower on the list this time next year due to graduation, but that is not a bad thing.
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Post by justen on Mar 27, 2013 21:07:49 GMT -5
I'd bet on Bradley graduating, don't think Iglesias is a big deal either way, and I'd say Webster's less than 50% on that ... but the biggest factors are mostly the unknown: the pace of development or lack thereof of players in the system. How many, if any, of the guys in A-ball (Owens, Cecchini, Swihart, etc) make a big move up prospect rankings? Does someone like Margot burst onto the scene in a big day? Does Ranaudo bounce back into the conversation? Does Barnes or Bogaerts take a hit to their status for some reason or another? Are there more good surprises than bad? Those are the things that'll make a difference from this year to next. I think there are enough possibilities for breakouts among the A-ball players that the Sox are likely to get some big upward movers to come close to replacing the graduate(s), but we'll see. Then the draft picks are on top of that. This. We have a lot of prospects to be excited about now and in future years. Sox have done a good job imo of keeping the lower levels stacked with potential breakouts. I'm pretty interested in seeing guys like Buttrey and Kukuk (hopefully he stays out of trouble) in the summer; not to mention Vinicio getting to play full season ball. Marrero has easy potential to move into top 100 lists if he shows he can hit enough while providing that already solid defense at short. Cecchini definitely has the bat to move into a prospect spotlight, and it'd be nice to see Sean Coyle make strides offensively as he was a bonus-baby coming out of high school. And you already mentioned Margot, very interesting to see if Ranaudo can bounce back and how effective Workman is. I almost forgot about Swihart. In my years of following the Sox I've never seen them with so many high ceiling position players in their system at once, and they're pitching looks to hold just as much potential. Sox have very interesting depth and potential in their system and I can say they're very easy to get excited about, I know I am.
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