|
Post by patford on Jul 27, 2018 13:39:03 GMT -5
It's for 3 weeks, not the remainder of the season. Not ideal for them. The Sox had a similar thing with Bogaerts early on. It sounds like it's more serious than that. It's 3 weeks until he can begin swinging a bat. Reports are saying "early September." Also wrist injuries are really bad news for hitters. Try and come back if it's less than 100% and it can really mess up a swing. Remember it was the wrist that totally derailed Dalbec for a very long stretch. And I don't think Dalbec had a fracture.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2018 13:41:49 GMT -5
It sounds like it's more serious than that. It's 3 weeks until he can begin swinging a bat. Reports are saying "early September." Also wrist injuries are really bad news for hitters. Try and come back if it's less than 100% and it can really mess up a swing. Remember it was the wrist that totally derailed Dalbec for a very long stretch. And I don't think Dalbec had a fracture. Yeah, I re-read it. I think my initial thought was - is he out for the year? Apparently not, but like you said it will take longer than 3 weeks and more importantly he might not be right even when he is back and playing regularly. Normally I hate to see that happen to a player, particularly a great player like Judge, but it is the Yankees so.....
|
|
|
Post by James Dunne on Jul 27, 2018 13:48:11 GMT -5
Cards DFAing Holland. He was good last year: worth a try? I'd be much more interested in Tyler Lyons, who was a disaster this year but very good from 2015-17 when Holland was either mediocre or hurt. His peripherals against lefties are still good, just blown up by their .464 BABIP against him. He should never, ever face a righty in a high-leverage situation though. RHB have a .196 career ISO against him.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2018 14:06:37 GMT -5
It sounds like it's more serious than that. It's 3 weeks until he can begin swinging a bat. Reports are saying "early September." Also wrist injuries are really bad news for hitters. Try and come back if it's less than 100% and it can really mess up a swing. Remember it was the wrist that totally derailed Dalbec for a very long stretch. And I don't think Dalbec had a fracture. That wasn't my quote. If you are going to edit, you need to be more careful.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2018 14:30:13 GMT -5
Moreland out of the lineup again tonight. It's fair to speculate if there's a injury there. Good thing the Sox have Pearce now.
|
|
|
Post by James Dunne on Jul 27, 2018 14:38:35 GMT -5
His knee is acting up, which explains why he wasn't used last night. He hopes to be back tomorrow.
|
|
|
Post by wildsox on Jul 27, 2018 14:43:19 GMT -5
His knee is acting up, which explains why he wasn't used last night. He hopes to be back tomorrow. Makes the trade for Pearce look even better. You can never have enough depth at this time of year.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2018 14:50:36 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think this Sale guy could work out:
Red Sox Notes @soxnotes 4h4 hours ago
In his last 5 starts, Chris Sale is 5-0 with a 0.27 ERA, 57 K, and 4 BB.
It had been 50 years since a Red Sox pitcher last had an ERA that low over any 5-start span in a single season (Ray Culp, 0.20 in September 1968).
|
|
|
Post by rjp313jr on Jul 27, 2018 15:09:23 GMT -5
Here's more on why I'm not sold on Barnes. I'm going to continue to track how he does in the 8th inning or later with the score within a run on either side or tied. Here's what I found out...
I looked up all the games Barnes pitched in the 8th inning or later with the score either tied or within 1 run on either side. There have been 12 of these games. In 8 of these 12 he was pitching with a 1 run lead (7 in the 8th inning and 1 in the 11th). He’s blown 3 of the 8 leads he’s pitched with in these situations. That’s a 37.5% blown lead rate when pitching with a one run lead in the 8th inning or later. In 2 of the games he was pitching behind a run in the 8th. Against the White Sox he gave up 2 ER in the inning to squander a chance at a comeback. Against Toronto he pitched a scoreless 8th, however he had come in in the 7th in a tie game w/ 2 outs and runners on and gave up a hit to go behind by that run. It’s an inherited runner, not his run and I’m just looking at the 8th inning numbers. That leaves 2 games where he was pitching tied in the 8th or later. The first game against Toronto he was scoreless to hold the lead, but made it interesting by walking the first 2 batters facing the bottom of the order. The second time against Minnesota last night and we all know what happened.
So in total in his 12 appearance pitching in a 1 run game or tied in the 8th inning or later he’s thrown 11 innings, blown 3 of the 8 leads he’s been given, blew 1 of the 2 ties he’s been given and extended the deficit in 1 of his 2 games pitching behind a run. He’s given up 8 ER, struck out 20, walked 15 and given up 9 hits. That gives him an ERA of 6.55 and a WHIP of 2.18. Has a great K/9 rate of 16.36, but a putrid BB/9 or 12.27 and his H/9 is 7.36. Gave up runs in 5 of the 12 appearances or basically 42% of them.
The teams he’s faced:
TB twice – held both those leads MIA – blew the lead KC – held the lead NYY – blew the lead and put them behind TOR 3 times – held a tie, held a lead and held a 1 run deficit he was partly responsible for CWC – was behind and put them behind further SEA – blew the lead and put them behind DET – held lead MIN – couldn't hold a tie
I’ll let you draw your own conclusions on how he did versus what qualify of opponent.
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Jul 27, 2018 15:35:14 GMT -5
Here's more on why I'm not sold on Barnes. I'm going to continue to track how he does in the 8th inning or later with the score within a run on either side or tied. Here's what I found out... I looked up all the games Barnes pitched in the 8th inning or later with the score either tied or within 1 run on either side. There have been 12 of these games. In 8 of these 12 he was pitching with a 1 run lead (7 in the 8th inning and 1 in the 11th). He’s blown 3 of the 8 leads he’s pitched with in these situations. That’s a 37.5% blown lead rate when pitching with a one run lead in the 8th inning or later. In 2 of the games he was pitching behind a run in the 8th. Against the White Sox he gave up 2 ER in the inning to squander a chance at a comeback. Against Toronto he pitched a scoreless 8th, however he had come in in the 7th in a tie game w/ 2 outs and runners on and gave up a hit to go behind by that run. It’s an inherited runner, not his run and I’m just looking at the 8th inning numbers. That leaves 2 games where he was pitching tied in the 8th or later. The first game against Toronto he was scoreless to hold the lead, but made it interesting by walking the first 2 batters facing the bottom of the order. The second time against Minnesota last night and we all know what happened. So in total in his 12 appearance pitching in a 1 run game or tied in the 8th inning or later he’s thrown 11 innings, blown 3 of the 8 leads he’s been given, blew 1 of the 2 ties he’s been given and extended the deficit in 1 of his 2 games pitching behind a run. He’s given up 8 ER, struck out 20, walked 15 and given up 9 hits. That gives him an ERA of 6.55 and a WHIP of 2.18. Has a great K/9 rate of 16.36, but a putrid BB/9 or 12.27 and his H/9 is 7.36. Gave up runs in 5 of the 12 appearances or basically 42% of them. The teams he’s faced: TB twice – held both those leads MIA – blew the lead KC – held the lead NYY – blew the lead and put them behind TOR 3 times – held a tie, held a lead and held a 1 run deficit he was partly responsible for CWC – was behind and put them behind further SEA – blew the lead and put them behind DET – held lead MIN – couldn't hold a tie I’ll let you draw your own conclusions on how he did versus what qualify of opponent. As usual you do your home work. Thanks for highlighting a dark cloud in an otherwise great season. lol
|
|
|
Post by coachmac on Jul 27, 2018 15:35:39 GMT -5
Escobar traded to D-backs. At least he won't play anymore against the Sox this weekend.
|
|
|
Post by rjp313jr on Jul 27, 2018 15:38:28 GMT -5
Here's more on why I'm not sold on Barnes. I'm going to continue to track how he does in the 8th inning or later with the score within a run on either side or tied. Here's what I found out... I looked up all the games Barnes pitched in the 8th inning or later with the score either tied or within 1 run on either side. There have been 12 of these games. In 8 of these 12 he was pitching with a 1 run lead (7 in the 8th inning and 1 in the 11th). He’s blown 3 of the 8 leads he’s pitched with in these situations. That’s a 37.5% blown lead rate when pitching with a one run lead in the 8th inning or later. In 2 of the games he was pitching behind a run in the 8th. Against the White Sox he gave up 2 ER in the inning to squander a chance at a comeback. Against Toronto he pitched a scoreless 8th, however he had come in in the 7th in a tie game w/ 2 outs and runners on and gave up a hit to go behind by that run. It’s an inherited runner, not his run and I’m just looking at the 8th inning numbers. That leaves 2 games where he was pitching tied in the 8th or later. The first game against Toronto he was scoreless to hold the lead, but made it interesting by walking the first 2 batters facing the bottom of the order. The second time against Minnesota last night and we all know what happened. So in total in his 12 appearance pitching in a 1 run game or tied in the 8th inning or later he’s thrown 11 innings, blown 3 of the 8 leads he’s been given, blew 1 of the 2 ties he’s been given and extended the deficit in 1 of his 2 games pitching behind a run. He’s given up 8 ER, struck out 20, walked 15 and given up 9 hits. That gives him an ERA of 6.55 and a WHIP of 2.18. Has a great K/9 rate of 16.36, but a putrid BB/9 or 12.27 and his H/9 is 7.36. Gave up runs in 5 of the 12 appearances or basically 42% of them. The teams he’s faced: TB twice – held both those leads MIA – blew the lead KC – held the lead NYY – blew the lead and put them behind TOR 3 times – held a tie, held a lead and held a 1 run deficit he was partly responsible for CWC – was behind and put them behind further SEA – blew the lead and put them behind DET – held lead MIN – couldn't hold a tie I’ll let you draw your own conclusions on how he did versus what qualify of opponent. As usual you do your home work. Thanks for highlighting a dark cloud in an otherwise great season. lol I’m just saying why I’m not sold. Not saying he’s not having a good season or that he’s not capable of being great in the post season. I’m just concerned.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2018 15:53:43 GMT -5
Barnes didn't do the job last night. It happens. I like to think this is a break-out season for him. He still walks too many guys for my comfort level, but he has earned his high leverage relief job.
Could he go the way of Joe Kelly who reverted back into Joe Kelly? Sure, but I think you have to give Barnes the benefit of the doubt. If you have a lead in the late innings, he's a guy you want to give the ball to.
My argument is that he shouldn't be the only option you have in a high leverage situation to give the ball to (besides Kimbrel who I'm starting to think is really better just coming into clean situations in the 9th although that's less than ideal).
I think certainty is more important at this time of the season so I think we might see a reliever come aboard by next Tuesday.
Also I think the odds are pretty good that Dozier won't be a Twin much longer. They already traded his DP partner to Arizona today. Maybe Dozier can stay in Boston after the series with Minnesota ends.
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Jul 27, 2018 16:50:39 GMT -5
rjp I actually thought you did a good job of highlighting that he hasn't been great in high leverage situations. Which can hide behind otherwise very good stats.
|
|
|
Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 27, 2018 16:56:44 GMT -5
Escobar traded to D-backs. At least he won't play anymore against the Sox this weekend. And with Cabrera going to the Phillies, there's no better time to swing a trade for Dozier.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2018 17:22:32 GMT -5
Don't forget about Kinsler.
|
|
|
Post by rjp313jr on Jul 27, 2018 17:32:09 GMT -5
Don't forget about Kinsler. I prefer to call him the corpse formerly known as Kinsler
|
|
|
Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 27, 2018 17:40:01 GMT -5
Don't forget about Kinsler. I'm sure, but dealing for Kinsler won't help us as much over these next 3 games.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2018 17:51:09 GMT -5
Don't forget about Kinsler. I prefer to call him the corpse formerly known as Kinsler What's funny is that he has a 2.2 bwar and Dozier has a 1.3 bwar. He also has a .229 BAbip and statcast backs it up as just bad luck. He's also very good defensively, while batting .303 .361 .455 .816 in July. I'll take that corpse all day long over Nunez. Even if he can't hit you get great D.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2018 17:52:12 GMT -5
Don't forget about Kinsler. I'm sure, but dealing for Kinsler won't help us as much over these next 3 games. You shouldn't be worrying about that.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2018 18:01:03 GMT -5
I'm sure, but dealing for Kinsler won't help us as much over these next 3 games. You shouldn't be worrying about that. What do you mean ? 3 games, this is the game thread, the entire season swings on a single inning let alone 3 games.
|
|
|
Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 27, 2018 18:03:29 GMT -5
Don't forget about Kinsler. I prefer to call him the corpse formerly known as Kinsler There are multiple bodies in that crypt, including Dozier's.
|
|
|
Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 27, 2018 18:10:58 GMT -5
I'm sure, but dealing for Kinsler won't help us as much over these next 3 games. You shouldn't be worrying about that. Obviously it's more of a fantasy trade strategy, but unless Kinsler is CLEARLY better, or can be had with a significantly smaller package, then this is a pretty decent tie-breaker. Not as much "worrying" as it is something to think about.
|
|
|
Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 27, 2018 18:18:38 GMT -5
You shouldn't be worrying about that. What do you mean ? 3 games, this is the game thread, the entire season swings on a single inning let alone 3 games. Sorry my bad, that's why I normally stay away from the game day thread.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 27, 2018 18:19:47 GMT -5
Sale is the best pitcher in baseball as of right now. He's gotten better since he arrived to Boston.
|
|