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2018 SOS - thoughts on who the September call ups will be?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 30, 2018 8:59:58 GMT -5
We are only a few days away - reinforcements coming in for the home stretch.
My thoughts are - the no-brainers (Devers, Wright, ERod, CVaz when they are deemed healthy/ready) - Lin, Poyner, Walden. Not sure about Travis or Scott. Having a look at Shephard would be fun...as well as Chavis.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 30, 2018 9:09:55 GMT -5
I say they gotta bring up Lakins and see if he has any bullpen juice!
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Post by hanleybeingmanny on Aug 30, 2018 9:48:18 GMT -5
Maddox pitching again, but not much time for him to get his stuff back. Gorst may get a look simply due to how poor the bullpen has been, but that still seems like a big stretch. I'd imagine Tony Renda comes back up as well. Do we think Phillips gets a chance to join the 40 if any injuries occur at the infield? Renda and Lin probably prevent him from getting a shot.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 30, 2018 10:29:35 GMT -5
Phillips is hitting 343 for the month of August so I would think he gets a look, that would be a playoff roster longshot. Does Kinsler need the ABs?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 30, 2018 13:18:20 GMT -5
I would think the Sox call up Lin, Phillips, Travis, Cuevas, Haley, Poyner, and Scott. And they will also call up Lakins. I wish they'd call up Chavis but I don't think they will. I also don't think Chandler Shephard will get called up, nor Shawayrn. I don't think Renda is coming back up, and there's no way Castillo is coming up.
And we'll see Devers, Vazquez, Wright, and E-Rod return on the 1st and Sale at some point thereafter, and maybe even Pedroia gets a few ABs at the end of the season, but I don't think he will.
And I hope Phillips plays the role that other Red Sox championship teams had.
In 2004, Ellis Burks was the elder statesman, hitch a ride, good clubhouse guy who got a ring.
In 2007, it was Royce Clayton who was that guy.
In 2013, it was John McDonald who was that guy.
In 2018, perhaps it will be Brandon Phillips.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 30, 2018 14:03:43 GMT -5
I have to think Lakins not going to the AFL means he's coming up and that he's on the radar for October. He was kind of an obvious candidate.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 30, 2018 14:45:15 GMT -5
I would think the Sox call up Lin, Phillips, Travis, Cuevas, Haley, Poyner, and Scott. And they will also call up Lakins. I wish they'd call up Chavis but I don't think they will. I also don't think Chandler Shephard will get called up, nor Shawayrn. I don't think Renda is coming back up, and there's no way Castillo is coming up. And we'll see Devers, Vazquez, Wright, and E-Rod return on the 1st and Sale at some point thereafter, and maybe even Pedroia gets a few ABs at the end of the season, but I don't think he will. And I hope Phillips plays the role that other Red Sox championship teams had. In 2004, Ellis Burks was the elder statesman, hitch a ride, good clubhouse guy who got a ring. In 2007, it was Royce Clayton who was that guy. In 2013, it was John McDonald who was that guy. In 2018, perhaps it will be Brandon Phillips. Something to keep in mind - Phillips, Lakins, Chavis, Shawaryn and Pedroia would have to be added to the 40 man to come up and they only have 1 spot left. Also, I don't know that they'll go nuts in calling up so many guys even if it's just because they'd be paying the super penalty tax rate. There are only so many innings to go around. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 30, 2018 14:53:59 GMT -5
I would think the Sox call up Lin, Phillips, Travis, Cuevas, Haley, Poyner, and Scott. And they will also call up Lakins. I wish they'd call up Chavis but I don't think they will. I also don't think Chandler Shephard will get called up, nor Shawayrn. I don't think Renda is coming back up, and there's no way Castillo is coming up. And we'll see Devers, Vazquez, Wright, and E-Rod return on the 1st and Sale at some point thereafter, and maybe even Pedroia gets a few ABs at the end of the season, but I don't think he will. And I hope Phillips plays the role that other Red Sox championship teams had. In 2004, Ellis Burks was the elder statesman, hitch a ride, good clubhouse guy who got a ring. In 2007, it was Royce Clayton who was that guy. In 2013, it was John McDonald who was that guy. In 2018, perhaps it will be Brandon Phillips. Something to keep in mind - Phillips, Lakins, Chavis, Shawaryn and Pedroia would have to be added to the 40 man to come up and they only have 1 spot left. Also, I don't know that they'll go nuts in calling up so many guys even if it's just because they'd be paying the super penalty tax rate. There are only so many innings to go around. Phillips will get a spot on the 40 man as will Lakins. I think Renda will be off the 40 man roster. Chavis and Shawaryn are guys you'd be curious to see, especially later in the month if everything is clinched, although truth be told, I'd rather Chavis get the ABs against lefties than Sam Travis if Pearce is DHing forcing JDM into the OF to give JBJ a day off (in addition to Moreland) if a tough lefty is on the mound. But no, I don't expect Chavis or Shawaryn to be up in the majors this September. I honestly don't think the Sox will risk further help complications with Pedroia even if he says he's ready to go at the end of the year, so no I don't expect Pedroia to be anything other than a cheerleader. I do think that we will see Phillips and Lakins, though, and I think Lakins should get a month long audition and we can see if we catch lightning in a bottle. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 30, 2018 16:14:24 GMT -5
Here are the AFL players - from NESN The Arizona Fall League revealed its preliminary rosters Thursday, and the Boston Red Sox will send an intriguing group of prospects to participate. Here’s a look at the Red Sox farmhands who’ve been assigned to AFL teams for 2018: Red Sox AFL assignees: 3Bs Michael Chavis and Bobby Dalbec, LHP Darwinzon Hernandez, RHP Mike Shawaryn, 1B Josh Ockimey, 2B Esteban Quiroz, RHP Teddy Stankiewicz, LHP Josh Taylor. Read more at: nesn.com/2018/08/these-red-sox-prospects-will-play-in-arizona-fall-league-this-offseason/ |
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Post by mredsox89 on Aug 30, 2018 16:29:36 GMT -5
I think they bring up as many RP's as they can, partly because they want to see if someone can get on a roll and force himself onto the playoff roster, and partly so that in blowout games, either winning or losing, they can throw those other guys out there and give the rest of the current bullpen and likely playoff relievers extra rest
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 30, 2018 16:52:41 GMT -5
My calculations show us still under $237M, provided we call up just a few guys (each guy counts about 90K). If they call up a surprisingly few number of guys, that's likely the reason why.
Remember that they're at 30 guys after everyone comes of the DL. There aren't a lot of guys who will be obviously useful.
Brandon Phillips has been raking -- .397 / .423 / .616 in 78 PA since August 8, to lift his season line up to very nice. At age 37 he's a below average defender at 2B and a below average baserunner, but (and this is the clincher) he's been a great pinch-hitter in his career. It's just 33 PA, but .357 / .424 / .643 (!) tells you, at the very least, that he loses nothing in the role, unlike most players. He gives you a righty option in a game where Pearce and Nunez are already in the lineup and, assuming they have matchup analysis, he might be a better option against certain guys. Maybe he also pinch-hits in an extra-inning game or in one of the Atlanta games if they have to go to the pen early. He's also a possible 2B option if Kinsler is out of the lineup.
Lin is a better defensive SS than anyone on the bench, and a decent PR option. Scott also looks useful -- he's been terrific down there, was excellent last year, and was actually not hit hard at all this year -- just BABIPed to death. Lakins could conceivably help, and getting a look at him in low leverage would be helpful in projecting next year's pen.
As someone mentioned, they can DFA Renda to make room for both Phillips and Lakins. Or, for that matter, Haley or Cuevas.
That's it.
Sam Travis had a great BABIP stretch from June 30 to August 4 but was awful before and bad afterwards, and Phillips renders him superfluous as a bench bat. Poyner hasn't been very good down there and was more lucky than good up here, and would be the 14th guy in the bullpen. Ditto for Marcus Walden, who has a 4.71 xFIP and 5.12 ERA, and though he's been much better since coming off his DL stint (3.57 ERA, .696 OPS), he's walked 9 guys in 17.2 IP.
I would expect those four (with maybe everyone but Lakins coming up on the 1st). I could see Travis just as a late-inning emergency defensive option, but just barely, and anyone else would shock me. If any of the four are left behind, it would seem to be to stay under the tax limit. Lakins seems like the biggest luxury, but as noted his absence from the AFL roster suggests he's coming up. Which would then make a tough decision between Lin and Scott.
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Post by cheers on Aug 30, 2018 23:21:42 GMT -5
Nice work as always. ericmvan. I was gonna go look some of that up, but now I don't have to. Thanks.
I think if we wanted to bring up a bonus arm to get a look at, Travis could be safely DFA'd. Nobody needs a 25 year old 1B that doesn't seem to be able to hit.
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Post by nomar on Aug 31, 2018 11:12:22 GMT -5
Here are the AFL players - from NESN The Arizona Fall League revealed its preliminary rosters Thursday, and the Boston Red Sox will send an intriguing group of prospects to participate. Here’s a look at the Red Sox farmhands who’ve been assigned to AFL teams for 2018: Red Sox AFL assignees: 3Bs Michael Chavis and Bobby Dalbec, LHP Darwinzon Hernandez, RHP Mike Shawaryn, 1B Josh Ockimey, 2B Esteban Quiroz, RHP Teddy Stankiewicz, LHP Josh Taylor. Read more at: nesn.com/2018/08/these-red-sox-prospects-will-play-in-arizona-fall-league-this-offseason/That’s a really fun group actually. Excited to follow them |
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 31, 2018 17:12:53 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 31, 2018 17:50:51 GMT -5
I'm guessing the fifth guy is Sam Travis. An actually defensible reason: to work on his swing with the MLB coaching staff. It's probably time to completely revamp it along launch angle lines. |
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Post by telson13 on Aug 31, 2018 18:44:28 GMT -5
I have to think Lakins not going to the AFL means he's coming up and that he's on the radar for October. He was kind of an obvious candidate. A “lighting-in-a-bottle” candidate if ever there was one. I honestly wouldn’t be remotely surprised if he got the call and was awesome. Deep starter’s repertoire with excellent stuff, relatively fresh given his injury early in the year, and pitchers often have the “first-look” advantage...made all the better by the multiple pitches. Very excited to see what he can do. And great point about the AFL nix...seems almost certain they anticipate potentially big things. |
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Post by telson13 on Aug 31, 2018 18:46:01 GMT -5
Here are the AFL players - from NESN The Arizona Fall League revealed its preliminary rosters Thursday, and the Boston Red Sox will send an intriguing group of prospects to participate. Here’s a look at the Red Sox farmhands who’ve been assigned to AFL teams for 2018: Red Sox AFL assignees: 3Bs Michael Chavis and Bobby Dalbec, LHP Darwinzon Hernandez, RHP Mike Shawaryn, 1B Josh Ockimey, 2B Esteban Quiroz, RHP Teddy Stankiewicz, LHP Josh Taylor. Read more at: nesn.com/2018/08/these-red-sox-prospects-will-play-in-arizona-fall-league-this-offseason/That’s a really fun group actually. Excited to follow them I really, *really* think it’s time they put Stankiewicz in the bullpen and see if his stuff plays up. He’s quite clearly not a viable MLB starter. |
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Post by telson13 on Aug 31, 2018 18:49:53 GMT -5
My calculations show us still under $237M, provided we call up just a few guys (each guy counts about 90K). If they call up a surprisingly few number of guys, that's likely the reason why.
Remember that they're at 30 guys after everyone comes of the DL. There aren't a lot of guys who will be obviously useful.
Brandon Phillips has been raking -- .397 / .423 / .616 in 78 PA since August 8, to lift his season line up to very nice. At age 37 he's a below average defender at 2B and a below average baserunner, but (and this is the clincher) he's been a great pinch-hitter in his career. It's just 33 PA, but .357 / .424 / .643 (!) tells you, at the very least, that he loses nothing in the role, unlike most players. He gives you a righty option in a game where Pearce and Nunez are already in the lineup and, assuming they have matchup analysis, he might be a better option against certain guys. Maybe he also pinch-hits in an extra-inning game or in one of the Atlanta games if they have to go to the pen early. He's also a possible 2B option if Kinsler is out of the lineup.
Lin is a better defensive SS than anyone on the bench, and a decent PR option. Scott also looks useful -- he's been terrific down there, was excellent last year, and was actually not hit hard at all this year -- just BABIPed to death. Lakins could conceivably help, and getting a look at him in low leverage would be helpful in projecting next year's pen.
As someone mentioned, they can DFA Renda to make room for both Phillips and Lakins. Or, for that matter, Haley or Cuevas.
That's it.
Sam Travis had a great BABIP stretch from June 30 to August 4 but was awful before and bad afterwards, and Phillips renders him superfluous as a bench bat. Poyner hasn't been very good down there and was more lucky than good up here, and would be the 14th guy in the bullpen. Ditto for Marcus Walden, who has a 4.71 xFIP and 5.12 ERA, and though he's been much better since coming off his DL stint (3.57 ERA, .696 OPS), he's walked 9 guys in 17.2 IP.
I would expect those four (with maybe everyone but Lakins coming up on the 1st). I could see Travis just as a late-inning emergency defensive option, but just barely, and anyone else would shock me. If any of the four are left behind, it would seem to be to stay under the tax limit. Lakins seems like the biggest luxury, but as noted his absence from the AFL roster suggests he's coming up. Which would then make a tough decision between Lin and Scott.
I’d say Lin over Scott or just DFA Nunez and add them both. |
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Post by telson13 on Aug 31, 2018 18:51:20 GMT -5
Here are the AFL players - from NESN The Arizona Fall League revealed its preliminary rosters Thursday, and the Boston Red Sox will send an intriguing group of prospects to participate. Here’s a look at the Red Sox farmhands who’ve been assigned to AFL teams for 2018: Red Sox AFL assignees: 3Bs Michael Chavis and Bobby Dalbec, LHP Darwinzon Hernandez, RHP Mike Shawaryn, 1B Josh Ockimey, 2B Esteban Quiroz, RHP Teddy Stankiewicz, LHP Josh Taylor. Read more at: nesn.com/2018/08/these-red-sox-prospects-will-play-in-arizona-fall-league-this-offseason/That’s a really fun group actually. Excited to follow them AFL rosters are *stacked* across the board with prospects this year. Gonna be a lot of fun seeing what some of these guys do. |
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Post by bosox on Aug 31, 2018 19:50:00 GMT -5
My calculations show us still under $237M, provided we call up just a few guys (each guy counts about 90K). If they call up a surprisingly few number of guys, that's likely the reason why.
Remember that they're at 30 guys after everyone comes of the DL. There aren't a lot of guys who will be obviously useful.
Brandon Phillips has been raking -- .397 / .423 / .616 in 78 PA since August 8, to lift his season line up to very nice. At age 37 he's a below average defender at 2B and a below average baserunner, but (and this is the clincher) he's been a great pinch-hitter in his career. It's just 33 PA, but .357 / .424 / .643 (!) tells you, at the very least, that he loses nothing in the role, unlike most players. He gives you a righty option in a game where Pearce and Nunez are already in the lineup and, assuming they have matchup analysis, he might be a better option against certain guys. Maybe he also pinch-hits in an extra-inning game or in one of the Atlanta games if they have to go to the pen early. He's also a possible 2B option if Kinsler is out of the lineup.
Lin is a better defensive SS than anyone on the bench, and a decent PR option. Scott also looks useful -- he's been terrific down there, was excellent last year, and was actually not hit hard at all this year -- just BABIPed to death. Lakins could conceivably help, and getting a look at him in low leverage would be helpful in projecting next year's pen.
As someone mentioned, they can DFA Renda to make room for both Phillips and Lakins. Or, for that matter, Haley or Cuevas.
That's it.
Sam Travis had a great BABIP stretch from June 30 to August 4 but was awful before and bad afterwards, and Phillips renders him superfluous as a bench bat. Poyner hasn't been very good down there and was more lucky than good up here, and would be the 14th guy in the bullpen. Ditto for Marcus Walden, who has a 4.71 xFIP and 5.12 ERA, and though he's been much better since coming off his DL stint (3.57 ERA, .696 OPS), he's walked 9 guys in 17.2 IP.
I would expect those four (with maybe everyone but Lakins coming up on the 1st). I could see Travis just as a late-inning emergency defensive option, but just barely, and anyone else would shock me. If any of the four are left behind, it would seem to be to stay under the tax limit. Lakins seems like the biggest luxury, but as noted his absence from the AFL roster suggests he's coming up. Which would then make a tough decision between Lin and Scott.
I’d say Lin over Scott or just DFA Nunez and add them both. I believe both Lin and Scott are on the 40-man already so no need to DFA anyone for those two. |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 1, 2018 9:18:03 GMT -5
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Post by wildsox on Sept 1, 2018 12:17:52 GMT -5
After the success of Maddox lat year I’m surprised they aren’t giving Lakins at least a look. The bullpen has been struggling
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 1, 2018 12:25:29 GMT -5
That’s a really fun group actually. Excited to follow them AFL rosters are *stacked* across the board with prospects this year. Gonna be a lot of fun seeing what some of these guys do. No need to DFA Nunez, especially at this point. He is the 3b until Devers gets healthy, and if Devers has more issues than Nunez is really needed. There's now way I'd push Nunez aside to make room for Scott if it were a 40 man roster issue. I just hope that Lakins gets a shot. I would assume Phillips will be arriving too at some point soon. |
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 1, 2018 22:18:29 GMT -5
Announced, Lin Travis Poyner Scott Cuevas Along with Erod Wright Vazquez Including two guys I said I'd be shocked if they brought up in Poyner and Cuevas, but Alex Speier had a great piece in today's Globe that explains it. The August bullpen slump is not random variation but overwork: Hembree's FB velo and Barnes' FB movement are down measurably. The inference is that they don't want to ever use any of the regulars in garbage innings, so they brought up two guys to pitch them. They are currently the 12th and 13th options in the bullpen (!) and will get bumped down one when Sale returns and also if they add Lakins when the Pawtucket season is over, which I still think is likelier than not. I'll be surprised if Phillips doesn't get selected to be on the bench in Atlanta.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 1, 2018 22:21:36 GMT -5
After the success of Maddox lat year I’m surprised they aren’t giving Lakins at least a look. The bullpen has been struggling Finishing the season with Pawtucket, he gets to pitch some more in high leverage. Up here, he has to wait until garbage time to make his debut.
Adding him on 9/1 just sets his development back three days.
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