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Could Eovaldi be Kimbrel's replacement?
danr
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Post by danr on Sept 17, 2018 23:58:30 GMT -5
I am assuming that the Sox will make every effort to keep Kimbrel, but if they fail, could Eovaldi be his replacement? He throws as hard as Kimbrel. He seems to do well when facing batters for the first time but not so much the second and third times around. His market value may have diminished because of his recent poor performances as a starter.
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Post by trajanacc on Sept 18, 2018 8:11:28 GMT -5
Tough to project him as a replacement (I.e., elite closer) when we haven’t seen him in anything resembling that role.
More likely he could be an eighth inning guy if he converted full time to that role, but wouldn’t he be more valuable to the team as a 5th starter?
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 18, 2018 8:38:20 GMT -5
Just because he can throw 100, doesn’t mean much when he doesn’t strike out a lot of guys.
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Sept 18, 2018 14:29:44 GMT -5
I don't get the facination people have for Eovaldi. He throws hard yes buthe doesn't miss bats, the only thing he does relatively well is that he throws strikes, so to be a league average pitcher he needs to start and pitch a good amount of innings but on the other hand he has 2 TJS already. I hope DD stays away from both of these guys in the offseason tbh.
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Post by jdb on Oct 9, 2018 7:12:44 GMT -5
I wonder if Eovaldi could get a Rich Hill type 3 yrs and $48M this offseason.
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ianrs
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Post by ianrs on Oct 9, 2018 8:57:52 GMT -5
I don't think Eovaldi would take a relief position when he could easily get a good starters contract - probably akin to the Hill contract mentioned above.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 9, 2018 9:06:40 GMT -5
I don't think Eovaldi would take a relief position when he could easily get a good starters contract - probably akin to the Hill contract mentioned above. The original post was from mid-September, before he'd had the strong finish to the regular season and last night's gem. But you're right, as a starter he's not going to get a whole ton less than Kimbrel is in terms of AAV. I bet Kimbrel gets a fifth year because he's remained healthy, but I'd be shocked if there's more than a $5 million difference annually in their deals.
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Post by nomar on Oct 9, 2018 9:10:20 GMT -5
Too much downside and not enough savings vs Kimbrel
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 9, 2018 10:22:25 GMT -5
I think based off of recent history, Eovaldi gets a 4 year contract between 54-70 million dollars. I'd give that to him too. He's tough against the Yankees, and the Sox need that.
The Sox will learn a lot more whether they have extra money added to their payroll a week after the world series too. The Price of out expires soon thereafter.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 9, 2018 13:57:15 GMT -5
Eovaldi is one of the younger and better steadying pitcher free agents. He also will be ineligible for the QO. He will accordingly be paid quite handsomely this offseason.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 9, 2018 15:06:27 GMT -5
Eovaldi could make a good closer but the guy is capable of throwing 7 - 8 innings while keeping his pitch count under 100. He's the kind of guy, if he was a closer, you'd highly consider converting to a starting pitcher.
And of course, as others have pointed out, he'll get himself a nice deal. Perhaps it'll be the Jon Lester starting contract offer - 4 years $70 million or somewhere near that IF he continues to thrive during the post-season.
The Sox will have to re-sign Kimbrel (unlikely - could see the Phillies going after him) or try to get a cheaper alternative although it's unlikely Kimbrel's replacement will be as good. As it is, Kimbrel IS the top reliever on the market.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 10, 2018 5:51:14 GMT -5
Last night has nothing to do with this opinion, but I’d say that Boston’s 2019 closer is not on the 2018 team. I have no idea who that closer will be.
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Post by pedey on Oct 10, 2018 6:06:41 GMT -5
I'd like to know one reason why the Sox would want to retain Kimbrel.
I hope he lost the closer job for the rest of the post-season. 3 runs over 2 innings.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 10, 2018 6:15:23 GMT -5
Last night has nothing to do with this opinion, but I’d say that Boston’s 2019 closer is not on the 2018 team. I have no idea who that closer will be. Most likely someone outside of the organization, but someone from inside the organization like Brasier could win the job in spring training. Hard to speculate, there are a lot of options for relievers between free agents and trade in the offseason.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 10, 2018 6:17:29 GMT -5
Eovaldi is one of the younger and better steadying pitcher free agents. He also will be ineligible for the QO. He will accordingly be paid quite handsomely this offseason. He has also had forearm surgery and Tommy John surgery the past year plus. He'll get a really good deal, but I'd be surprised if it went north of say 90 million?
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Post by mobaz on Oct 10, 2018 7:45:06 GMT -5
I think last night pretty much guarantees we trade for a closer this winter. I don't see trying to piece together a bullpen out of free agents as a path to success. I was against it at the time due to the prices but I now wish we'd gone stud reliever shopping at the trading deadline.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 10, 2018 7:48:37 GMT -5
Yeah I mean trading for closers and relievers has worked out consistently really well for the Red Sox in the 30 years I've followed the team.
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Post by dawnbringr on Oct 10, 2018 9:07:08 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox re-signing Kimbrel this off-season, and it has nothing to do with last night. Based on his history, he's gonna want a ton to stay in Boston, and the Sox just don't have it to give - with the others they have to re-sign shortly.
Eovaldi might be an option - he throws strikes. Whether Kimbrel has just been "nibbling" too much this year, or has just had too many bouts of wildness - you can't have closers putting people on base because they can't throw the ball over the plate. Last night, Kimbrel walked Judge to leadoff the 9th with a 3 run lead. Judge could have hit the ball 2 miles and it still would have been 4 - 2.
And is it just me, or has Kimbrel fallen in love with his off-speed pitches this year ? If you have an upper 90's fastball, it seems to me you go out and throw it. Get them sitting on that and then sneak in the off-speed shit.
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mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Oct 10, 2018 9:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Oct 10, 2018 11:42:55 GMT -5
There's also David Robertson, Adam Ottavino, Cody Allen, Kelvin Herrera, Sergio Romo, Brad Brach and Greg Holland. Some of those guys come with obvious question marks, but I'm not sure that I'd say the late inning reliever free agent market is barren. Robertson and Ottavino in particular could be nice gets at less than closer like deals.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 10, 2018 12:18:15 GMT -5
Robertson and Ottavino in particular could be nice gets at less than closer like deals. The Sox should sign one of these guys, but there will be A LOT of competition to sign them. There's also Herrera or Britton, who I'm sure the Sox will also be interested in. Besides these 4, I have zero clue what the Sox will do here. Kimbrel will price himself out of here.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 10, 2018 12:56:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Kimbrel took less to stay given what he has said about the doctors in Boston and all the support he has gotten with his sick child. But I wouldn't count on it either.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 10, 2018 15:52:59 GMT -5
Robertson and Ottavino in particular could be nice gets at less than closer like deals. The Sox should sign one of these guys, but there will be A LOT of competition to sign them. There's also Herrera or Britton, who I'm sure the Sox will also be interested in. Besides these 4, I have zero clue what the Sox will do here. Kimbrel will price himself out of here. I would be good with Robertson or Britton. I like Robertson and think he has more in the tank (watch his medicals look like shredded wheat) and I think Britton's arm is fine. Just such a long layoff and kind of rushed back. A full off season would do him well
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Post by telson13 on Oct 11, 2018 1:53:50 GMT -5
I think based off of recent history, Eovaldi gets a 4 year contract between 54-70 million dollars. I'd give that to him too. He's tough against the Yankees, and the Sox need that. The Sox will learn a lot more whether they have extra money added to their payroll a week after the world series too. The Price of out expires soon thereafter. Idk if I’d go quite that high, but I do agree that his truly outstanding work against NY makes him especially attractive to the Sox. I do think his cutter might help him miss a few more bats, and I think there’s sequencing/approach options that may make him even better. He’s got very good control, and his performance with the Sox is very encouraging. I think 4/50-4/55 is about where I’d draw a line, simply in that I think he’s a possible 2, likely 3, potential 4, with serious injury risk. His stuff is well-matched to NY’s weaknesses, so even as a 4 he’d have value. And at $12.5 M a year he’d be tradable or convertible to relief if they had to swallow the deal. He’s young enough that there’s still some development upside. But I’d be real nervous about edging into $14-15M AAV. They need bargains given the upcoming salary crunch. I know it seems like needless penny-pinching, but I really believe the Sox need to do that on riskier deals and/or fliers like Nunez, because those millions/years add up. I’d actually be inclined to try for a lower AAV/longer deal, which might seem counter-intuitive, but for a guy his age, i think those are important dollars. He’d be more likely to provide excess value in any given year. They’re also in a position where they don’t “need” him...I think if you’re gonna spend on luxury, be careful with your budget.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 11, 2018 2:01:24 GMT -5
There's also David Robertson, Adam Ottavino, Cody Allen, Kelvin Herrera, Sergio Romo, Brad Brach and Greg Holland. Some of those guys come with obvious question marks, but I'm not sure that I'd say the late inning reliever free agent market is barren. Robertson and Ottavino in particular could be nice gets at less than closer like deals. FWIW, I like Britton as a come-back. Achilles takes a while, but it heals well. Just requires some stretching and extra PT for a long time. I love Ottavino as an option (tho, boy is he back against the running game), and Herrera’s at least viable. Obviously I’d like Kimbrel back, but not at 5/75 or whatever he’s likely to command. Just like with what I said on Eovaldi, I think they need to be real careful with their AAVs for the next two years. Short-term/high AAV deal’s made sense when they had a very young core, but those guys are all going to be getting significant pay bumps. They need some cap flexibility.
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