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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 19, 2018 12:22:49 GMT -5
I hope we don't have to keep throwing starters into the pen. It worked for us but it is also dangerous if the starter is going to be needed a day or 2 later. What is most encouraging about this team to me is the ability to score runs. Other teams were not pitching to Martinez or Mookie with much to hit but overall the others picked them up. The best thing about this team is the overall depth. That would seem to be one of the keys to our team's in recent history. The ability to survive injury losses and have a functioning roster in the playoffs and the depth of the lineup in producing runs.
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Post by mobaz on Oct 19, 2018 12:28:28 GMT -5
Just have Mookie pitch all of the NL games. It's said he has an awesome submarine ball he throws for strikes. Is that tied to his bowling game?
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 19, 2018 12:38:20 GMT -5
You either make your own effing luck or you overcome the bad luck - or you lose. That's what the Sox did in '04 (likely '07, although not much comes to mind) and in 2013 (although it seems like lady luck was on our side, they certainly overcame many obstacles). Patriots have been doing just this for 15 years. Agreed so much. And not to mention it's really petty to even bring up luck when one team thoroughly outplays the other. The Red Sox pitched better than the Astros, both bullpen and starters, and hit better than them too. Probably fielded better or it was at least very close. They weren't "lucky", the proper word there is "better".
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 19, 2018 12:39:23 GMT -5
You either make your own effing luck or you overcome the bad luck - or you lose. That's what the Sox did in '04 (likely '07, although not much comes to mind) and in 2013 (although it seems like lady luck was on our side, they certainly overcame many obstacles). Patriots have been doing just this for 15 years. ESPN, the Worldwide something or other but not what they think, is just continuing their Boston hating bias. Whine, whine, whine.."the Astros 3rd level stats are so good, 4th best ever, had better OBp than Boston by 10 points, better SLG by 1 point so that means they outpitched them. Had to be luck right, the ball Betts was interfered with on was over the fence (based on exactly what) but the camera was blocked...blah, blah, blah." One of the best things about Boston sports is sticking it to those self aggrandizing clowns of the shrinking subscription base. And BTW, replace Kimbrel's performance with pretty much anyone else and those OPB and SLG numbers probably reverse.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 19, 2018 12:55:48 GMT -5
F espn. They never believed in this team even the last Sunday night game all there “experts” ranked the Sox last of all the American League playoff teams. Buster Olney has been trying to downplay this Sox team all year. They are all eating crow. Four more wins boys! And this will go down as one of the best teams in the history of the sport. ESPN and all there sour grape articles can’t take that away!!!!
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Post by trajanacc on Oct 19, 2018 13:04:19 GMT -5
Ok but every fan base in the U.S. thinks ESPN is biased against them...
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2018 13:05:02 GMT -5
Ok but every fan base in the U.S. thinks ESPN is biased against them... I bet Houston's doesn't after reading that article.
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Post by gerry on Oct 19, 2018 13:17:54 GMT -5
Sheffield thinks the Red Sox are more healthy? Ya mean like Chris Sale? Sale and Pedroia, Wright and Pom, Thornburg and Smith. Not a bad showing for missing a bunch of “AllStar” key players for much of the season.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2018 13:23:11 GMT -5
Sheffield thinks the Red Sox are more healthy? Ya mean like Chris Sale? Sale and Pedroia, Wright and Pom, Thornburg and Smith. Not a bad showing for missing a bunch of “AllStar” key players for much of the season. The Astros had 4 starters with more than 30 starts this year. Their 5th had 22. The Red Sox had 2 starters with more than 30 starts. They had 8 with 8 or more starts.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 19, 2018 13:31:19 GMT -5
So do we think Wright replaces Workman and someone else replaces Hembree or do we stick with Hembree? I wouldn't mind sticking with Hembree since I've seen Drew blow too many games.
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Post by lancect on Oct 19, 2018 13:41:53 GMT -5
BTW, the difference between this team and some of the other Red Sox teams like 2011: the ball Benitendi went for and caught at the end of game 4 was the same kind of ball that Crawford pulled up from in that final game in 2011 that caused them to lose, the players on this team play to win, all of them do, look at Price last night! I love it, go Red Sox!
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Post by Canseco on Oct 19, 2018 14:02:21 GMT -5
So do we think Wright replaces Workman and someone else replaces Hembree or do we stick with Hembree? I wouldn't mind sticking with Hembree since I've seen Drew blow too many games. Wright for Workman for sure. I’m not sure about Hembree, but it’s tempting to add a LHP... BUT NOT POMERANZ! Poyner would work for me.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 19, 2018 14:18:06 GMT -5
Sabermetrics actually show that Armstrong was a replacement level astronaut. Surprised by this result, given how much sabermetrics loves walks.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2018 14:18:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to do. In hindsight, having Swihart on the roster was absolutely useless for the first two rounds, but maybe he's more needed in NL parks at least as a PH. But then again, we could definitely use another pitcher, because Swihart was probably a bad Price start away from pitching himself in that game last night.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 19, 2018 14:24:30 GMT -5
So do we think Wright replaces Workman and someone else replaces Hembree or do we stick with Hembree? I wouldn't mind sticking with Hembree since I've seen Drew blow too many games. Wright for Workman for sure. I’m not sure about Hembree, but it’s tempting to add a LHP... BUT NOT POMERANZ! Poyner would work for me. Don’t Poyner and Hembree both have reverse splits? And yeah the only reason I brought up Pomeranz was it might not be a bad idea to have an innings eater if we go way up or get blown out a game.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 19, 2018 14:40:45 GMT -5
The Sox just essentially swept the Astros, without Chris Sale. Would've swept them without Nuñez.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 19, 2018 14:41:45 GMT -5
You either make your own effing luck or you overcome the bad luck - or you lose. That's what the Sox did in '04 (likely '07, although not much comes to mind) and in 2013 (although it seems like lady luck was on our side, they certainly overcame many obstacles). Patriots have been doing just this for 15 years. Agreed so much. And not to mention it's really petty to even bring up luck when one team thoroughly outplays the other. The Red Sox pitched better than the Astros, both bullpen and starters, and hit better than them too. Probably fielded better or it was at least very close. They weren't "lucky", the proper word there is "better". JD Drew with the granny when the Sox were down 3 games to 2. Never looked back after that.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 19, 2018 14:53:52 GMT -5
Sale and Pedroia, Wright and Pom, Thornburg and Smith. Not a bad showing for missing a bunch of “AllStar” key players for much of the season. The Astros had 4 starters with more than 30 starts this year. Their 5th had 22. The Red Sox had 2 starters with more than 30 starts. They had 8 with 8 or more starts. Nobody has accused Sheffield of being smart as far as I can tell. Nice to have some smart former players doing pre/post game analysis. Some aren't and some cannot get over their biases. I think Pedro is awesome (ortiz, too, I think, but I have seen much less of his stuff) without being a Sox homer. No mistake, he's still rooting for the Sox, but he's honest. Sheffield's an idiot (at least this little bit that I have seen).
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 19, 2018 14:55:38 GMT -5
Sabermetrics actually show that Armstrong was a replacement level astronaut. Surprised by this result, given how much sabermetrics loves walks. Genius
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2018 14:58:16 GMT -5
The Astros had 4 starters with more than 30 starts this year. Their 5th had 22. The Red Sox had 2 starters with more than 30 starts. They had 8 with 8 or more starts. Nobody has accused Sheffield of being smart as far as I can tell. Nice to have some smart former players doing pre/post game analysis. Some aren't and some cannot get over their biases. I think Pedro is awesome (ortiz, too, I think, but I have seen much less of his stuff) without being a Sox homer. No mistake, he's still rooting for the Sox, but he's honest. Sheffield's an idiot (at least this little bit that I have seen). He's very anti-Red Sox but can't even give any good reasons when he's picking them to lose every game.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 19, 2018 15:08:15 GMT -5
I hope we don't have to keep throwing starters into the pen. It worked for us but it is also dangerous if the starter is going to be needed a day or 2 later. What is most encouraging about this team to me is the ability to score runs. Other teams were not pitching to Martinez or Mookie with much to hit but overall the others picked them up. The best thing about this team is the overall depth. That would seem to be one of the keys to our team's in recent history. The ability to survive injury losses and have a functioning roster in the playoffs and the depth of the lineup in producing runs. I think the Sox should use their starters if guys such as Workman show they can't get it done. IMO it's an effective strategy that should be used and imo it's why in part the Sox didn't go after other bullpen pitchers in the manner of urgency that some would have wanted. They expected 5 starters and maybe even Wright available. They did it last year too. Houston did it big time last year too. This is the type of strategy that should always be employed if other bullpen pitchers such as Workman are ineffective. OFC it would be great to get consistent length from all of the starters but if they don't pitch too many innings, then imo -- please use the starters. I don't thin we can trust Workman or Hembree and Kelly is day-to-day. It will be great to have Wright back. Now that I say that, he'll get bombed in all of his subsequent appearances. Houston used it last year extremely effectively and so far this year Sox have used it. It's an effective winning strategy.
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Post by dridiot on Oct 19, 2018 15:10:31 GMT -5
I figured that the missed strike 3 on JD was a make-up call for the called strike 2.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 19, 2018 15:12:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to do. In hindsight, having Swihart on the roster was absolutely useless for the first two rounds, but maybe he's more needed in NL parks at least as a PH. But then again, we could definitely use another pitcher, because Swihart was probably a bad Price start away from pitching himself in that game last night. IMO Swihart allows one of the catcher's to be pinch hit. Managers don't like to use their last catcher on the bench. IMO many want one in reserve in case of injury.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 19, 2018 15:15:32 GMT -5
I figured that the missed strike 3 on JD was a make-up call for the called strike 2. And I believe in game 1 with the bases loaded and Verlander had lost his control he got a gift strike 3 call on Beni.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 19, 2018 15:36:29 GMT -5
Ok but every fan base in the U.S. thinks ESPN is biased against them... Because they are terrible at covering baseball.
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