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2013 Spring Training Discussion
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Mar 10, 2013 16:15:56 GMT -5
Quick, idle question:
When John Lackey makes an error, does he stand on the mound and glare at himself?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 11, 2013 14:20:01 GMT -5
I'm assuming the catcher has a mirror for just such an occasion ... Speaking of Lackey, I was struck by this in the Herald: So, you'd think if he couldn't get inside to left-handers, they'd kill him ... so I went back to his horrific 2011, and, sure enough, he wasn't great against righthanders, but their OPS of .778 on .345/.433 numbers was nothing to the .915 on .401/.514 whipping lefthanders put on him. Lefties just crushed him, every lefthander was David Ortiz against him. Gawd, he was terrible that year.
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 11, 2013 14:50:14 GMT -5
Rubby with a rough day - 0.2IP, 2H, 5ER, 1/4 K/BB
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Post by bluechip on Mar 11, 2013 17:47:09 GMT -5
Rubby with a rough day - 0.2IP, 2H, 5ER, 1/4 K/BB Do we have any reports on his control and velocity?
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 12, 2013 7:52:56 GMT -5
Reading the Herald today got me thinking about the catching situation. I wonder if Farrell will do something outside the box and use Ross as a defensive replacement within the game. Final 2 innings, put Ross in to improve yourself defensively and keep teams from stealing bases. It normally doesn't happen because you are screwed if the backup gets hurt, but the Sox have Napoli. His hip issue is irrelevant in this situation since it's such a low chance of him having to fill in and such a small amount of time. It's not that he cannot catch they just don't want him to do much of it. It's a unique situation that I hope they take advantage of.
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 12, 2013 9:01:03 GMT -5
Juan Carlos Linares, Mark Hamilton, Alex Hassan, Steven Wright and Jeremy Hazelbaker sent down. 52 players remain in camp.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 12, 2013 9:11:26 GMT -5
It normally doesn't happen because you are screwed if the backup gets hurt, but the Sox have Napoli. His hip issue is irrelevant in this situation since it's such a low chance of him having to fill in and such a small amount of time. It's not that he cannot catch they just don't want him to do much of it. It's a unique situation that I hope they take advantage of. Well the Red Sox have tons of catching depth in the minors and on the 40 man roster.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 12, 2013 10:08:34 GMT -5
It normally doesn't happen because you are screwed if the backup gets hurt, but the Sox have Napoli. His hip issue is irrelevant in this situation since it's such a low chance of him having to fill in and such a small amount of time. It's not that he cannot catch they just don't want him to do much of it. It's a unique situation that I hope they take advantage of. Well the Red Sox have tons of catching depth in the minors and on the 40 man roster. Right but I think he is referring to an in-game situation in which Ross would get hurt and Napoli would have to replace him if Salty had started the game.
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Post by bluechip on Mar 12, 2013 10:20:41 GMT -5
Well the Red Sox have tons of catching depth in the minors and on the 40 man roster. Right but I think he is referring to an in-game situation in which Ross would get hurt and Napoli would have to replace him if Salty had started the game. Good call. Napoli is better than most team's emergency catcher. I believe in past years the emergency catcher has been Mike Lowell and in 2008, I believe it was Dustin Pedroia. In year's past, Francona often pitch hit Varitek for whomever was catching Tim Wakefield, so the Red Sox has not been opposed to leaving themselves open to risk that risk past.
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Post by rangoon82 on Mar 12, 2013 15:23:39 GMT -5
According to ESPN Boston, so far this spring the Sox are last in HRs but first in strikeouts. Gotta keep repeating to myself that Spring stats mean nothing.
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 12, 2013 17:40:34 GMT -5
Juan Carlos Linares, Mark Hamilton, Alex Hassan, Steven Wright and Jeremy Hazelbaker sent down. 52 players remain in camp. Pedro Beato also sent down. 51 players remain in camp.
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Post by jdb on Mar 13, 2013 10:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 13, 2013 13:56:42 GMT -5
I have inside sources on Boesch and I'll just say no thank you. He's a butcher on defense and is approach is brutal.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 13, 2013 13:59:52 GMT -5
I have inside sources on Boesch and I'll just say no thank you. He's a butcher on defense and is approach is brutal. Without any of the inside sources, I agree with this. Carp, Sweeney, and Nava are clearly better players, Bradley and Brentz probably are, and Linares, Hassan and Hazelbaker may be as well. The only thing Boesch brings to the table is the fact that he stands in the opposite batter's box of most players.
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Post by mattpicard on Mar 13, 2013 14:03:20 GMT -5
I don't see him ever reverting back to that .800+ OPS ability against RHP's, not with that approach of his. Combined with his terrible defense, and ability to only play the OF corners, I can't think of a reason to even give him a shot to compete with Nava and Carp at this point. Even if it was a minor league deal, I don't want him taking at bats away from more worthy candidates this spring.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 13, 2013 14:04:51 GMT -5
Is there any information yet on our minor league spring training schedule? I believe it starts this week.
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 13, 2013 15:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 13, 2013 16:15:40 GMT -5
When are Mellen and co. heading down to scout? I assume we'll have eyes on our prospects this spring?
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 13, 2013 17:50:52 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 13, 2013 18:35:00 GMT -5
When are Mellen and co. heading down to scout? I assume we'll have eyes on our prospects this spring? The fellas are heading down March 19-24.
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 14, 2013 11:29:33 GMT -5
What are your views on Websters ST so far? I really take away two things. Yes I know spring training stats should be heavily discounted and its a small sample, so lets throw out his ERA, FIP, K's and what not, but what about the lack of walks? I guess you could argue that batters are getting themselves out before they get the opportunity to walk but 1 BB over 11 innings is pretty damn good. He seems to have a great feel for his stuff in his few appearances. The other thing his how his arsenal is playing. One anonymous scout called it "top of the rotation stuff" and another said Webster has been the best pitcher he seen in ST period. He has been receiving constant praise from Farrel also. Right now he is showing a high 90's FB, a mid-low 90's heavy 2 seemer, a plus change up, and a slider he can locate to either side of the plate.
I would argue that Webster is having a better ST then JBJ, because JBJ is just hot, and proving what we knew about him, great approach, defense, and baseball IQ, where Webster is showing a higher ceiling then he was pegged.
I know I am rambling, but I guess my question is, do you think Webster it turning a corner and developing into a top of the rotation guy, or is he just simply having a good spring? I say he is looking like a top 25 prospect.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 14, 2013 11:48:45 GMT -5
Rubby with a rough day - 0.2IP, 2H, 5ER, 1/4 K/BB Do we have any reports on his control and velocity? I join you on the velocity inquiry since so much was made of his electric arm early on. I recall last fall when he returned briefly from TJ and he was at 96 even then. Early this spring there was quite a Boston media buzz about his throwing five pitches over 100 mph in one outing. That coupled with Pedro being a mentor gave rise to fantasies of a budding superstar. RDLR has had 3 outings since then that did not measure up to the early hype or results. The first I saw on TV where he had one pitch hit 96; the second game I attended where he gave up 3 runs (2 earned) in 2 innings while his FB operated b/t 91-94. One pitch reached 95. (Both Lester and Tazawa were consistently at 93 on that same gun.) On both of those occasions, Rubby's change-up seemed to be the most effective offering. The game you referred to had him at 2/3 of an inning with 2 hits, 4 walks and 5 earned runs. The 4 walks I think answers your question about control. There was no report of velocity readings that I saw. Following these 3 performances the media has gone a bit silent and underground on Rubby. The new pitching darling is Webster who reportedly is throwing 96-99. Perhaps RDLR is still recovering from TJ and that contributes to both inconsistent velocity readings and control issues. Perhaps too, the guns are disparate...which is continually frustrating for readers. It would be nice if there were an industry standard here.
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 14, 2013 12:08:19 GMT -5
Perhaps too, the guns are disparate...which is continually frustrating for readers. It would be nice if there were an industry standard here. There is definitely a difference between the stadium guns and the scouting guns. Perhaps when Chris Mellen gets down to FL, we can get a definitive read on Rubby's velocity.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 14, 2013 12:18:22 GMT -5
Figured I'd pass along a new feature at Baseball Reference. They're keeping track of ST stats this year, including games played by position, and they've even come up with a measure of opponent quality to help in judging the numbers to whatever degree that's useful. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2013.shtmlThe one minus is that it lists any player not on the 40-man as an NRI, which isn't true - a lot of these guys are minor leaguers who got the call for a day.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 14, 2013 12:18:23 GMT -5
What are your views on Websters ST so far? I really take away two things. Yes I know spring training stats should be heavily discounted and its a small sample, so lets throw out his ERA, FIP, K's and what not, but what about the lack of walks? I guess you could argue that batters are getting themselves out before they get the opportunity to walk but 1 BB over 11 innings is pretty damn good. He seems to have a great feel for his stuff in his few appearances. The other thing his how his arsenal is playing. One anonymous scout called it "top of the rotation stuff" and another said Webster has been the best pitcher he seen in ST period. He has been receiving constant praise from Farrel also. Right now he is showing a high 90's FB, a mid-low 90's heavy 2 seemer, a plus change up, and a slider he can locate to either side of the plate. I would argue that Webster is having a better ST then JBJ, because JBJ is just hot, and proving what we knew about him, great approach, defense, and baseball IQ, where Webster is showing a higher ceiling then he was pegged. I know I am rambling, but I guess my question is, do you think Webster it turning a corner and developing into a top of the rotation guy, or is he just simply having a good spring? I say he is looking like a top 25 prospect. Good questions. I think it's a mixture of both. The ST competition is mediocre but he's also jumped onto a real learning curve. The quotes - from Farrell but also from Nieves - indicate to me that they're having a lot of fun working with a pitcher who has such good stuff and who seems to be able to quickly adjust to their suggestions. If you're a teacher and you have a very good student you feed off of that, and they're definitely feeding off of Webster. I certainly don't know what his ceiling is. I don't think he knows, and I don't think the staff knows. I do think he'll be the first in line for a callup if there are injuries or if there's an obvious problem with the starting rotation. They'll want to see him do his homework first, honing the lessons he's learned before sticking him in that rotation, I believe. They certainly won't forget what he's shown them so far.
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