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Wright to undergo second arthroscopic cleanup surgery
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 12, 2018 19:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 13, 2018 14:29:16 GMT -5
The recent surgery to Wright puts the pressure on to resign Eovaldi.
There's no timetable for Wright's return and he could very well miss spring training rather easily.
The Sox are not in a good position to trade Porcello now that Wright situation is unclear. I'm not sure that Wright can ever be depended on as any more of a bonus from here on out.
I was hoping to extract some value from Porcello in a trade, but now I see a trade happening less and less moving forward in 2019.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 13, 2018 15:29:27 GMT -5
The recent surgery to Wright puts the pressure on to resign Eovaldi. There's no timetable for Wright's return and he could very well miss spring training rather easily. The Sox are not in a good position to trade Porcello now that Wright situation is unclear. I'm not sure that Wright can ever be depended on as any more of a bonus from here on out. I was hoping to extract some value from Porcello in a trade, but now I see a trade happening less and less moving forward in 2019. I have not read that Wright's surgery was anything more than scarring cleanup, which is quite minor.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 13, 2018 15:41:33 GMT -5
The recent surgery to Wright puts the pressure on to resign Eovaldi. There's no timetable for Wright's return and he could very well miss spring training rather easily. The Sox are not in a good position to trade Porcello now that Wright situation is unclear. I'm not sure that Wright can ever be depended on as any more of a bonus from here on out. I was hoping to extract some value from Porcello in a trade, but now I see a trade happening less and less moving forward in 2019. I have not read that Wright's surgery was anything more than scarring cleanup, which is quite minor.
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Post by tookme55 on Nov 13, 2018 16:25:10 GMT -5
The recent surgery to Wright puts the pressure on to resign Eovaldi. There's no timetable for Wright's return and he could very well miss spring training rather easily. The Sox are not in a good position to trade Porcello now that Wright situation is unclear. I'm not sure that Wright can ever be depended on as any more of a bonus from here on out. I was hoping to extract some value from Porcello in a trade, but now I see a trade happening less and less moving forward in 2019. Yes on Eovaldi. We have chance to win it again. No reason not to go after someone like Eovaldi. Worst case scenario, one of our starters can close only for one year if Hector and Johnson become reliable fifth starter and no one emerges as a closer.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 13, 2018 16:28:07 GMT -5
The recent surgery to Wright puts the pressure on to resign Eovaldi. There's no timetable for Wright's return and he could very well miss spring training rather easily. The Sox are not in a good position to trade Porcello now that Wright situation is unclear. I'm not sure that Wright can ever be depended on as any more of a bonus from here on out. I was hoping to extract some value from Porcello in a trade, but now I see a trade happening less and less moving forward in 2019. Yes on Eovaldi. We have chance to win it again. No reason not to go after someone like Eovaldi. Worst case scenario, one of our starters can close only for one year if Hector and Johnson become reliable fifth starter and no one emerges as a closer. I wouldn't make anyone from the rotation close games. The Sox will sign a reliever in the offseason to probably close, maybe even 2 guys.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 13, 2018 16:28:55 GMT -5
I have not read that Wright's surgery was anything more than scarring cleanup, which is quite minor. I think Sox have to prepare for 2019 with the idea that Wright is a maybe at best unless his medical info says otherwise. That microfracture surgery is still new and so far has a very spotted record with athletes. I hope he proves us all wrong, but it's informative he was good to go for the playoffs until suddenly he wasn't. Pedroia, who had the same surgery was talking about how he had no pain all during the spring training period and was reporting no real pain other than one episode during his ramp-up. In game performance lasted all of three games, before it became inoperable. The track record on this procedure for that level of performance, especially with athletes who are on the wrong side of 30 is just not good so far. More power to them if they can overcome it all, but as people who are looking at data and outcomes, this should concern us for both players going forward.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 13, 2018 18:45:18 GMT -5
The recent surgery to Wright puts the pressure on to resign Eovaldi. There's no timetable for Wright's return and he could very well miss spring training rather easily. The Sox are not in a good position to trade Porcello now that Wright situation is unclear. I'm not sure that Wright can ever be depended on as any more of a bonus from here on out. I was hoping to extract some value from Porcello in a trade, but now I see a trade happening less and less moving forward in 2019. We were not in a good position to trade Porcello last week either. We've known for a while now that we could not rely on Wright as one of our starters. This recent announcement does not change anything really, except maybe that Wright will not compete in ST.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 13, 2018 19:09:40 GMT -5
The recent surgery to Wright puts the pressure on to resign Eovaldi. There's no timetable for Wright's return and he could very well miss spring training rather easily. The Sox are not in a good position to trade Porcello now that Wright situation is unclear. I'm not sure that Wright can ever be depended on as any more of a bonus from here on out. I was hoping to extract some value from Porcello in a trade, but now I see a trade happening less and less moving forward in 2019. We were not in a good position to trade Porcello last week either. We've known for a while now that we could not rely on Wright as one of our starters. This recent announcement does not change anything really, except maybe that Wright will not compete in ST. I mean, Wright not being able to compete in spring training pretty much did change everything though. Wright is a huge piece, and now he's unavailable to start the season. If you're missing spring training, you're out a month at minimum. Wright was never reliable to begin with, but he was a option up until the second surgery. As of right now, Brian Johnson is your 5th starter. Hector Velazquez is your 6th starter and nothing beyond these two to start the year at least. That's not good in terms of depth.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 13, 2018 22:57:40 GMT -5
We were not in a good position to trade Porcello last week either. We've known for a while now that we could not rely on Wright as one of our starters. This recent announcement does not change anything really, except maybe that Wright will not compete in ST. I mean, Wright not being able to compete in spring training pretty much did change everything though. Wright is a huge piece, and now he's unavailable to start the season. If you're missing spring training, you're out a month at minimum. Wright was never reliable to begin with, but he was a option up until the second surgery. As of right now, Brian Johnson is your 5th starter. Hector Velazquez is your 6th starter and nothing beyond these two to start the year at least. That's not good in terms of depth. No it really didn't. I do not agree that this injury changes everything, I do not think this changes everything for DD either. I mean we are talking about a guy who didn't play much the past few seasons and would have been a middle reliever/spot starter. He has value, but to say his being injured, again, changes the entire off-season plan is kind of silly. I do agree that with what you listed the depth looks slim.That is why I've said for weeks now not to trade Porcello. Even before this news, Wright was not a replacement for Porcello in any way. If hearing that he, a guy who has proven injury prone, may miss a month, as you said, changes your entire off-season trade plans to trade Porcello, then respectfully, it was not a good idea to begin with. Also, I want Porcello to stay and to sign Eovaldi.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 13, 2018 23:54:22 GMT -5
Wasn't there reports on ERod this time last year that people took meant no spring training, yet he was good to go? I don't see how a clean up takes that much time without major setbacks.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 14, 2018 7:13:32 GMT -5
Wasn't there reports on ERod this time last year that people took meant no spring training, yet he was good to go? I don't see how a clean up takes that much time without major setbacks. Are you comparing a 24 year old Eduardo Rodriguez who had a knee operation done and comparing it to Wright who is going to be 35 years old? The basic point is no one knows how much Wright is ever going to play again because of the first knee operation, not because of the "cleanup" that seems "minor." The Sox are also putting it out there for interpretation that they are going to be extra careful with Wright also. Which means more time for recovery.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 14, 2018 13:29:38 GMT -5
Wasn't there reports on ERod this time last year that people took meant no spring training, yet he was good to go? I don't see how a clean up takes that much time without major setbacks. Are you comparing a 24 year old Eduardo Rodriguez who had a knee operation done and comparing it to Wright who is going to be 35 years old? The basic point is no one knows how much Wright is ever going to play again because of the first knee operation, not because of the "cleanup" that seems "minor." The Sox are also putting it out there for interpretation that they are going to be extra careful with Wright also. Which means more time for recovery. Pedro you waay overreacted to ERod last year, his knee will always be an issue type crap. Didn't you want to trade him because of that knee? Guess what no issues last year. Yea I'm comparing a major surgery to a clean up, seems rather simple! I've seen players have clean ups and play again a month or so later. Its a very minor surgery, likely removing scar tissue. Wright throws a knuckle ball and doesn't throw that hard, good for his knees. By all reports he's not Pedroia who has major issues with that knee and has for a very long time. He wasn't ruled out for the year, just something was causing him discomfort like Irving. I mean you can take that approach with any player that has surgery,he might never play again. I'll stick to the odds like with ERod, which you ignored and went all worst case crap just like now! The odds are better that he can play next year than he's done. Modern medicine has come a loooong way and the fact he's only having a clean up is good news. It says they found something that they think was the issue he was having. Heck I wish we had news like that on Pedroia, yet we don't. He's the guy that could be done. Nevermind the point being it doesn't really change much. I don't think anyone had Wright being our #5 starter to open the season. It's why I said sign Pomeranz. Not putting any preasure on Wright and giving him all the time he needs. Like Eric said you don't see many players missing two whole seasons due to knee surgery that often. The guys that do are more like Pedroia who have a knee that has been falling a part for years and years. The Red Sox will have a much clearer picture than we do. Like with Pedroia last year bringing back Nunez late in the signing period. Millions of ways to address depth than saying we have to bring back Eovaldi because of Wright. I don't think anything has changed for the Red Sox frankly. They either believe his change is real and he's worth the money or they don't. Just remember DD words after the World Series, he love to bring the team back, yet some players might get huge offers that make that hard. He's talking about guys like Eovaldi and Kelly. Guys who's value exploded in the postseason and to a lesser extent Kimbrel, yet they always knew he was going to cost a ton.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 14, 2018 13:42:17 GMT -5
Are you comparing a 24 year old Eduardo Rodriguez who had a knee operation done and comparing it to Wright who is going to be 35 years old? The basic point is no one knows how much Wright is ever going to play again because of the first knee operation, not because of the "cleanup" that seems "minor." The Sox are also putting it out there for interpretation that they are going to be extra careful with Wright also. Which means more time for recovery. Pedro you waay overreacted to ERod last year, his knee will always be an issue type crap. Didn't you want to trade him because of that knee? Guess what no issues last year. Yea I'm comparing a major surgery to a clean up, seems rather simple! I've seen players have clean ups and play again a month or so later. Its a very minor surgery, likely removing scar tissue. Wright throws a knuckle ball and doesn't throw that hard, good for his knees. By all reports he's not Pedroia who has major issues with that knee and has for a very long time. He wasn't ruled out for the year, just something was causing him discomfort like Irving. I mean you can take that approach with any player that has surgery,he might never play again. I'll stick to the odds like with ERod, which you ignored and went all worst case crap just like now! The odds are better that he can play next year than he's done. Modern medicine has come a loooong way and the fact he's only having a clean up is good news. It says they found something that they think was the issue he was having. Heck I wish we had news like that on Pedroia, yet we don't. He's the guy that could be done. Nevermind the point being it doesn't really change much. I don't think anyone had Wright being our #5 starter to open the season. It's why I said sign Pomeranz. Not putting any preasure on Wright and giving him all the time he needs. Like Eric said you don't see many players missing two whole seasons due to knee surgery that often. The guys that do are more like Pedroia who have a knee that has been falling a part for years and years. The Red Sox will have a much clearer picture than we do. Like with Pedroia last year bringing back Nunez late in the signing period. Millions of ways to address depth than saying we have to bring back Eovaldi because of Wright. I don't think anything has changed for the Red Sox frankly. They either believe his change is real and he's worth the money or they don't. Just remember DD words after the World Series, he love to bring the team back, yet some players might get huge offers that make that hard. He's talking about guys like Eovaldi and Kelly. Guys who's value exploded in the postseason and to a lesser extent Kimbrel, yet they always knew he was going to cost a ton. Pedrioa and Wright had the same exact injury to their knee and they are both old!!! They had the same exact surgery the first time!!! They might both be done!! Wright's knee has been crap for years!!! Stephen Wright's knuckleball has been dreadful when he has been less than 100 percent the past 3 years, so no, any movement on that knee isn't good for his knees. My problem with Eduardo last year was durability and that trick knee of his, and he still hasn't proven the durability part either. At least it wasn't the knee this time.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 14, 2018 15:21:10 GMT -5
Pedro you waay overreacted to ERod last year, his knee will always be an issue type crap. Didn't you want to trade him because of that knee? Guess what no issues last year. Yea I'm comparing a major surgery to a clean up, seems rather simple! I've seen players have clean ups and play again a month or so later. Its a very minor surgery, likely removing scar tissue. Wright throws a knuckle ball and doesn't throw that hard, good for his knees. By all reports he's not Pedroia who has major issues with that knee and has for a very long time. He wasn't ruled out for the year, just something was causing him discomfort like Irving. I mean you can take that approach with any player that has surgery,he might never play again. I'll stick to the odds like with ERod, which you ignored and went all worst case crap just like now! The odds are better that he can play next year than he's done. Modern medicine has come a loooong way and the fact he's only having a clean up is good news. It says they found something that they think was the issue he was having. Heck I wish we had news like that on Pedroia, yet we don't. He's the guy that could be done. Nevermind the point being it doesn't really change much. I don't think anyone had Wright being our #5 starter to open the season. It's why I said sign Pomeranz. Not putting any preasure on Wright and giving him all the time he needs. Like Eric said you don't see many players missing two whole seasons due to knee surgery that often. The guys that do are more like Pedroia who have a knee that has been falling a part for years and years. The Red Sox will have a much clearer picture than we do. Like with Pedroia last year bringing back Nunez late in the signing period. Millions of ways to address depth than saying we have to bring back Eovaldi because of Wright. I don't think anything has changed for the Red Sox frankly. They either believe his change is real and he's worth the money or they don't. Just remember DD words after the World Series, he love to bring the team back, yet some players might get huge offers that make that hard. He's talking about guys like Eovaldi and Kelly. Guys who's value exploded in the postseason and to a lesser extent Kimbrel, yet they always knew he was going to cost a ton. Pedrioa and Wright had the same exact injury to their knee and they are both old!!! They had the same exact surgery the first time!!! They might both be done!! Wright's knee has been crap for years!!! Stephen Wright's knuckleball has been dreadful when he has been less than 100 percent the past 3 years, so no, any movement on that knee isn't good for his knees. My problem with Eduardo last year was durability and that trick knee of his, and he still hasn't proven the durability part either. At least it wasn't the knee this time. They had the same surgery, not the same injury. Pedroia has had back to back surgeries two years in a row. With Pedoria they can't find a problem, more like his knees are just shot. With Wright, who came back and was awesome in September, wasn't he? Had inflammation and an MRI pinpointed the issue. Pedroia was a zero, Yet Wright gave us over 53 very good innings. Comparing the two has zero merit. Let's not act like the knee made him a bad pitcher, he was the Normal Wright! Are you really saying he was dreadful last year??? The guy was dreadful one year out of the last three and that was before knee surgery. So a year after major surgery he gives us almost 54 innings. They know the issue and fixed it with a very minor knee surgery and yet he might be done? Just like with ERod your only looking at worst case type crap. Just like I pointed out with ERod that is very unlikely. Your issue with ERod was that the knee would always be an issue, because it was an issue for two years. That wasn't the case. Durability is an issue sure, but unless your counting on 200 innings it shouldn't be an issue. I feel darn good that he can give you a 100 or more innings and I'd only be counting on him for depth. BTW he just turned 34 and will be going into his age 34 season.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 15, 2018 11:30:00 GMT -5
The recent surgery to Wright puts the pressure on to resign Eovaldi. There's no timetable for Wright's return and he could very well miss spring training rather easily. The Sox are not in a good position to trade Porcello now that Wright situation is unclear. I'm not sure that Wright can ever be depended on as any more of a bonus from here on out. I was hoping to extract some value from Porcello in a trade, but now I see a trade happening less and less moving forward in 2019. I was reading an article on fg about Nick Pivetta, and I seriously wonder if he’d be a good pick-up. Philly had an absolutely atrocious defense this year...he’s been an FIP underperformer since his arrival, and I’m pretty convinced he’s being hurt by awful results on batted balls. His velocity is very good, and he’s learning to use his curve. I think he’s ideal as a cost-controlled 4/5 with 2/3 upside. At the very least, I’d like to see the Sox take some long, hard looks at pitchers like him, in the 24-26 range, who have good stuff but problematic results. I don’t think he’d break the (prospect) bank, and acquiring him would allow them to move Porcello and save a ton of $, plus give them a low-cost replacement for next year. As for Eric’s idea re: Kelly, I’m all-in on re-signing him as long as the price is right. Personally, 3/21 is probably my limit for him. He’s been great in the postseason over his career, and there seems to be some indication (given the consistency of it) that it’s “real,” but regular-season Joe Kelly is a 4th bullpen arm, even if he’s a 1st-2nd option when he’s been on (like this past spring). As always, his bugaboo remains inconsistency. Idc if they give him a chance to start next year, either, if it’s on a short leash and they’re not paying starter money. Hell, start Barnes for all I care. Just make sure they’ve got sufficient depth to do so. That means hoping Feltman, Lakins, and at least one other arm (temporary Darwinzon RP role?) prove their mettle this year.
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