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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 15, 2018 15:21:26 GMT -5
I was thinking about the bench in the rule 5 draft thread. If Pearce is not settling for a one year deal, then I wonder if the Sox will seriously consider giving Nunez a ton of time at first base this spring training?
Anything past one year for Pearce is absolute no and it should be for the Sox.
In fact, I think I'd like that situation a lot better in general. Have Nunez backup first base and third base for a year and not resign Pearce and get a backup outfielder type instead.
I'd love to trade Moreland and get a guy that isn't so platoon dependent at first base. Whether that's pie in the sky thinking of Goldschmidt or a simple Daniel Murphy signing to a 2 year deal to play first base exclusively.
I'd love to trade Nunez and his 4-5 million dollar salary, but he was worth nothing last year and I don't see that happening (hence why he used his player option to comeback).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2018 15:31:39 GMT -5
I was thinking about the bench in the rule 5 draft thread. If Pearce is not settling for a one year deal, then I wonder if the Sox will seriously consider giving Nunez a ton of time at first base this spring training? Anything past one year for Pearce is absolute no and it should be for the Sox. In fact, I think I'd like that situation a lot better in general. Have Nunez backup first base and third base for a year and not resign Pearce and get a backup outfielder type instead. I'd love to trade Moreland and get a guy that isn't so platoon dependent at first base. Whether that's pie in the sky thinking of Goldschmidt or a simple Daniel Murphy signing to a 2 year deal to play first base exclusively. I'd love to trade Nunez and his 4-5 million dollar salary, but he was worth nothing last year and I don't see that happening (hence why he used his player option to comeback). I wouldn't hesitate to give Pearce two years. It's not going to be huge money. If he's reasonably effective then he can be trade bait in 2020 - the man has trade value or he could be an insurance policy is Chavis struggles assuming that 1b is opened up for him in 2020. The second year shouldn't be a huge issue.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Nov 15, 2018 15:33:03 GMT -5
I was thinking about the bench in the rule 5 draft thread. If Pearce is not settling for a one year deal, then I wonder if the Sox will seriously consider giving Nunez a ton of time at first base this spring training? Anything past one year for Pearce is absolute no and it should be for the Sox. In fact, I think I'd like that situation a lot better in general. Have Nunez backup first base and third base for a year and not resign Pearce and get a backup outfielder type instead. I'd love to trade Moreland and get a guy that isn't so platoon dependent at first base. Whether that's pie in the sky thinking of Goldschmidt or a simple Daniel Murphy signing to a 2 year deal to play first base exclusively. I'd love to trade Nunez and his 4-5 million dollar salary, but he was worth nothing last year and I don't see that happening (hence why he used his player option to comeback). Hard pass on Murphy. He's old and not a good enough hitter to play 1B anyway at this point. Much rather have Pearce or someone else like him to take the weak side of the platoon. Those guys don't cost very much.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 15, 2018 15:38:16 GMT -5
I was thinking about the bench in the rule 5 draft thread. If Pearce is not settling for a one year deal, then I wonder if the Sox will seriously consider giving Nunez a ton of time at first base this spring training? Anything past one year for Pearce is absolute no and it should be for the Sox. In fact, I think I'd like that situation a lot better in general. Have Nunez backup first base and third base for a year and not resign Pearce and get a backup outfielder type instead. I'd love to trade Moreland and get a guy that isn't so platoon dependent at first base. Whether that's pie in the sky thinking of Goldschmidt or a simple Daniel Murphy signing to a 2 year deal to play first base exclusively. I'd love to trade Nunez and his 4-5 million dollar salary, but he was worth nothing last year and I don't see that happening (hence why he used his player option to comeback). I wouldn't hesitate to give Pearce two years. It's not going to be huge money. If he's reasonably effective then he can be trade bait in 2020 - the man has trade value or he could be an insurance policy is Chavis struggles assuming that 1b is opened up for him in 2020. The second year shouldn't be a huge issue. Pearce averaged a little over 80 games the past three years. Some of it was due to injury, some of it was due to platoons. Keep in mind, you only need a platoon hitter at first base for only one more year because Moreland is up after 2019. Pearce will also be 36 years old. Huge decline could be in his relative future.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 15, 2018 15:39:20 GMT -5
Very interesting thought. They could go semi-Rays and start breaking in pitchers like Houck and Hernandez who sorta fit the profile as well (great stuff, not enough pitches/great stuff, not enough control/command) of 2-times-through guys like Glasnow. I’d have no problem with a base 3/18 and escalators that could turn it to, say, 3/33. I really hope the Red Sox don't acquire an opener, my understanding was that the Rays did this simply because they didn't have enough 6+ IP starters and had to piece something together. Doesn't really seem like a strategy for a team like the Red Sox. Kelly back as a reliever is fine by me, but I think 2 innings every other day is a bit much to expect. That's 162 innings of relief. Relievers tend to max out at 80 IP and break down constantly, so no matter how many innings he pitches per appearance I wouldn't expect him to go too far past his 65.2 IP from this year and still pitch effectively. I really don't like him back as a strict piggy back, because that means your bullpen is one man short 4 days out of 5. Doing all the unconventional stuff with a bullpen is great in those break-glass-in-case-of-emergency scenarios, but I'd hate to see the Red Sox go into a season with these types of scenarios as Plan A. I wouldn't get a guy as a specific opener, though I think a two-inning every other day role could be easily achieved by most 7-9th inning pitchers. I just like the idea of Kelly, or a guy like Roberson in that role as opposed to blowing big bucks on a "closer." I think guys who don't mind being situational relievers (or openers) such as Kelly, Barnes, Brasier, Roberson, Wright (if healthy), Andrew Miller, Zac Britton and others are a better use of pitching assets - especially for your 3, 4 and 5 pitchers (i.e., if you have a stud starter, sure, start him and ride him for 100 pitchers or until he gets to third time through the top of the order. Most runs are scored in the first inning in general so why not try to minimize that opportunity at the outset? There could also be a bit of game theory here, if, say, your "Starter" is Erod, so the opponent stacks their team with righties, but you open with Brasier or Barnes and let them go two or three innings. Does an opposing manager still stack the line-up with righties, or does he start a few more lefties then pull them, taking them off the board, when ERod comes in? Either way, you minimize exposing your less effective starter/multi-inning pitcher to the meat of the order more than two times while giving him the opportunity to pitch to the 7-8-9 three times.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 15, 2018 15:47:36 GMT -5
I was thinking about the bench in the rule 5 draft thread. If Pearce is not settling for a one year deal, then I wonder if the Sox will seriously consider giving Nunez a ton of time at first base this spring training? Anything past one year for Pearce is absolute no and it should be for the Sox. In fact, I think I'd like that situation a lot better in general. Have Nunez backup first base and third base for a year and not resign Pearce and get a backup outfielder type instead. I'd love to trade Moreland and get a guy that isn't so platoon dependent at first base. Whether that's pie in the sky thinking of Goldschmidt or a simple Daniel Murphy signing to a 2 year deal to play first base exclusively. I'd love to trade Nunez and his 4-5 million dollar salary, but he was worth nothing last year and I don't see that happening (hence why he used his player option to comeback). Hard pass on Murphy. He's old and not a good enough hitter to play 1B anyway at this point. Much rather have Pearce or someone else like him to take the weak side of the platoon. Those guys don't cost very much. I was having the same kind of debate earlier in this thread. Murphy is two years younger than Pearce (hence why I only want him on a two year deal). Murphy is one year removed from having a 135 +wRC in 2017 and a 154 +wRC in 2016. To put that into context, Paul Goldschmidt had a 142 +wRC in 2017 and a 133 +wRC in 2016. Daniel Murphy suffered a injury plagued year this year and still put up a way above average +wRC of 110. If Murphy bounces back to even a little bit of the hitter he was in 2016 and 2017 (which is fairly recent, by the way), that would be one of the best hitting first baseman in all of baseball. Murphy should only cost you around 3-4 million more than what Moreland is making and it can give you the option of trading Moreland or dumping Nunez somehow.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 15, 2018 15:57:39 GMT -5
Moreland is cheap, not worth a ton in a trade, was good in 2018, and is popular in the clubhouse.
Murphy is 1 1/2 of those things.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 15, 2018 16:06:11 GMT -5
Debate good in 2018 though.
Moreland had a +wRC of 100. Murphy had a off year and still had a +wRC of 110.
I wouldn't want much for Moreland. A pure salary dump would be fine by me if they got a better hitter in a offensive minded position at first base next year.
Add- when you factor in that Moreland needs a platoon every year, his 6.5 million dollar salary looks worse than it actually is.
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Post by jdb on Nov 15, 2018 17:12:33 GMT -5
I’d lean towards just bringing Pearce back but Carlos Santana is an interesting option. Seems the Phillies want Hoskins out of the OF.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 15, 2018 17:25:28 GMT -5
I’d lean towards just bringing Pearce back but Carlos Santana is an interesting option. Seems the Phillies want Hoskins out of the OF. Santana is not an interesting option. J.D. Martinez at 1B is though
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 15, 2018 17:25:38 GMT -5
I’d lean towards just bringing Pearce back but Carlos Santana is an interesting option. Seems the Phillies want Hoskins out of the OF. If you're going to pay 20 million AAV to a first baseman, then you're better off just acquiring Jose Abreu.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2018 18:15:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't hesitate to give Pearce two years. It's not going to be huge money. If he's reasonably effective then he can be trade bait in 2020 - the man has trade value or he could be an insurance policy is Chavis struggles assuming that 1b is opened up for him in 2020. The second year shouldn't be a huge issue. Pearce averaged a little over 80 games the past three years. Some of it was due to injury, some of it was due to platoons. Keep in mind, you only need a platoon hitter at first base for only one more year because Moreland is up after 2019. Pearce will also be 36 years old. Huge decline could be in his relative future. I'm aware Moreland is only around for one more year, but I'd give the extra year to secure Pearce because there is no better fit with the Sox in my opinion than Steve Pearce. In 2020 they need to dump salary. Moreland is gone and Chavis is in line to take over 1b by then. At that point Pearce is either an insurance policy in case Chavis struggles or if Pearce isn't needed, they could still deal him. His salary won't be prohibitive or they could simply keep him as bench depth, something they'll still need in 2020. I'd rather give Pearce an extra year than try to find some one year solution because if a guy is willing to sign for only 1 year then odds are he won't give you anything near what Pearce gives you. Pearce is more than a platoon mate. If Moreland goes on one of his 2nd half slumps Pearce is capable of coming off the bench and playing semi-regularly. Good luck trying to find a one year solution that will be as effective as Pearce was and is.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 15, 2018 19:17:09 GMT -5
Chavis could be in line to take over 3 or 4 positions in 2020. He could take over for DH with Martinez and his opt out leaving.
He could be in line to take over for 1B with Moreland leaving.
He could be in line to take over for LF when JBJ might be ultimately traded.
He might be in line for 2B and split time with Pedrioa in the future.
That stuff is really hard to project and Chavis will probably take over whichever position he plays best at when the time comes.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 16, 2018 0:11:47 GMT -5
Chavis could be in line to take over 3 or 4 positions in 2020. He could take over for DH with Martinez and his opt out leaving. He could be in line to take over for 1B with Moreland leaving. He could be in line to take over for LF when JBJ might be ultimately traded. He might be in line for 2B and split time with Pedrioa in the future. That stuff is really hard to project and Chavis will probably take over whichever position he plays best at when the time comes. Defensively it's tough to see Chavis taking over LF if JBJ is traded. Don't see the Sox making Benintendi a CF nor do I see them making Benintendi in RF and they're certainly not putting Chavis in RF. So I just don't see Chavis as an OF. Chavis as a 2b? I've heard he doesn't have the footwork for that. Chavis as a 1b? Pretty likely. Chavis as a DH? If JDM doesn't come back, then maybe by then Dalbec forces Devers over to 1b? And Chavis as a DH? Still not likely. I honestly do think the Sox extend JDM. He's a force in the middle of the lineup and it's likely they don't replace somebody of his caliber with Chavis. Replacing Moreland/Pearce with Chavis shouldn't be a huge dropoff, but from JDM to Chavis? That's a huge dropoff, and no I don't see the Sox making Martinez a RF with Chavis DHing.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Nov 16, 2018 9:32:07 GMT -5
Only way I take Santana is if they trade him to us for Rusney, that’s it. Works out better for them because Hoskins is absolutely dreadful in the OF, would allow them to move him back to 1B while Rusney can certainly play the OF.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Nov 16, 2018 9:33:28 GMT -5
Outside of that, is there any way we can get Goldschmidt by swallowing the Greinke contract? I don’t think it’s possible.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 16, 2018 9:45:46 GMT -5
I agree with Pedro, they shouldn’t overpay on Pearce because he got hot at the right time
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Post by soxjim on Nov 16, 2018 12:00:53 GMT -5
Depends on what Pearce wants but I'd definitely want him back. There is no way I'd want Nunez to replace him. Nunez can't hit enough. As for Pearce why not give him a lot more in year one then in year two much, much less if need-be? I'd take him for 2 if reasonable.
A lot also depends on how Sox feel about Chavis. As fof right now I still don't know "what he is" except I know so far he's real good at finding different ways to not play or play when he's is extremely hurt.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2018 14:37:47 GMT -5
Josh Donaldson, can platoon at 1B and 3B. If he takes a one year deal.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 16, 2018 16:55:06 GMT -5
Outside of that, is there any way we can get Goldschmidt by swallowing the Greinke contract? I don’t think it’s possible. Sorry, but I did not like this post.... Edit: I mean I did, but perhaps by mistake.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 16, 2018 17:08:28 GMT -5
Outside of that, is there any way we can get Goldschmidt by swallowing the Greinke contract? I don’t think it’s possible. Sorry, but I did not like this post.... Edit: I mean I did, but perhaps by mistake. You can click it again to remove it.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 16, 2018 17:15:15 GMT -5
Josh Donaldson, can platoon at 1B and 3B. If he takes a one year deal. That's a big if. I highly doubt he's willing to take on a platoon role AND a one year deal. He's way better than that and will want a full time role, if he's even willing to consider a 1 year deal. Edit- with the Pearce signing, this thread can probably be closed.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 16, 2018 20:15:28 GMT -5
Sorry, but I did not like this post.... Edit: I mean I did, but perhaps by mistake. You can click it again to remove it. Mind blown. Thanks.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 16, 2018 21:50:36 GMT -5
You can click it again to remove it. Mind blown. Thanks. Yeah, if only in life you could repeat a mistaken action exactly, and undo it, so that it was as if it had never happened!
In fact, this would be perfect for ... well, you can figure that out.
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Post by dirtdog on Nov 17, 2018 0:36:07 GMT -5
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