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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 13, 2019 8:54:27 GMT -5
I think we will see both Feltman and Darwinzon this year. Feltman after he can't accumulate a year's service time and Darwinzon after he can't be a super two.
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Post by gerry on Mar 13, 2019 11:47:42 GMT -5
I think we will see both Feltman and Darwinzon this year. Feltman after he can't accumulate a year's service time and Darwinzon after he can't be a super two. Lakins could be delayed for the same reasons. Despite having rose colored glasses, IMO when Feltman, Darwinzon and Lakins are added to Barnes and Brasier, this Pen could become a legitimate beast.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 13, 2019 12:52:37 GMT -5
I think we will see both Feltman and Darwinzon this year. Feltman after he can't accumulate a year's service time and Darwinzon after he can't be a super two. Lakins could be delayed for the same reasons. Despite having rose colored glasses, IMO when Feltman, Darwinzon and Lakins are added to Barnes and Brasier, this Pen could become a legitimate beast. That's a lot to ask out of 3 rookies. If 1 contributes in a meaningful way that's a victory. We'll see all three at some point later in the season. Feltman probably has the best shot at being an impact reliever right away - and work his way into high leverage. Lakins probably works in middle relief, and Hernandez, we'll have to see what his control looks like. I think at some point they'll have to trade for a reliever or two that are experienced. One other point, with Houck going back to his old mechanics, I do wonder how fast he can shoot up through the system, and perhaps like Hernandez, they think about using him in the pen, probably in September or maybe earlier.
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Post by Guidas on Mar 13, 2019 14:41:44 GMT -5
Who is still available out there besides Kimbrel? Seems like bargains could be had for someone like Sipp, etc.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 13, 2019 14:52:46 GMT -5
I think we will see both Feltman and Darwinzon this year. Feltman after he can't accumulate a year's service time and Darwinzon after he can't be a super two. Agree if for not other reason than they’ll need them badly.
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Post by larrycook on Mar 13, 2019 21:16:51 GMT -5
I think we will see both Feltman and Darwinzon this year. Feltman after he can't accumulate a year's service time and Darwinzon after he can't be a super two. I saw feltman live last year and love his stuff. He could be a nice 8th inning guy for us in late 19.
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Post by gerry on Mar 14, 2019 11:19:44 GMT -5
Lakins could be delayed for the same reasons. Despite having rose colored glasses, IMO when Feltman, Darwinzon and Lakins are added to Barnes and Brasier, this Pen could become a legitimate beast. That's a lot to ask out of 3 rookies. If 1 contributes in a meaningful way that's a victory. We'll see all three at some point later in the season. Feltman probably has the best shot at being an impact reliever right away - and work his way into high leverage. Lakins probably works in middle relief, and Hernandez, we'll have to see what his control looks like. I think at some point they'll have to trade for a reliever or two that are experienced. One other point, with Houck going back to his old mechanics, I do wonder how fast he can shoot up through the system, and perhaps like Hernandez, they think about using him in the pen, probably in September or maybe earlier. I totally agree that expecting quick success from Lakins, Feltman and Darwinzon is a lot to ask, as well as a bit of wishcasting. However, the facts remain that Lakins appeared ready by mid-2018 and should be ready to contribute now. Feltman was specifically drafted as a late inning arm with closer potential who is expected to rise quickly. Both are pretty much already developed and ready soon. Darwinzon is not unlike alot of excellent late inning relievers with massive stuff and control issues. I hope they let him develop as a SP but we can expect him if he is needed for a pennant run IMO the point stands that IF they all come up, this Pen will be beastly. Fortunately, the need to mess with Darwinzon’s development may be mitigated by Thornburg, Brewer, Poyner, Taylor, Houck, Shawaryn who are being evaluated right now, and some real promise shown by new additions like Mejia or Tapia, or by an early trade. This bullpen isn’t nyfy awesome (which, with HR, is their strongest element), but with the Sox amazing lineup, rotation, hit tool, outfield, speed/power game, etc. it need not be. We could hope for similar awesomeness, but the Sox strategy of accumulating the pieces to be average or better should be enough. Meanwhile, the 2019 potential for adding Feltman, Darwinzon, Lakins, and Mejia have me dreaming on beastly.
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Post by elbochie on Mar 14, 2019 12:06:26 GMT -5
Who is still available out there besides Kimbrel? Seems like bargains could be had for someone like Sipp, etc. Santiago Casilla, Madson, Jim Johnson, Gio Gonzalez....Sipp signed recently for a little over a million
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 14, 2019 13:11:08 GMT -5
That's a lot to ask out of 3 rookies. If 1 contributes in a meaningful way that's a victory. We'll see all three at some point later in the season. Feltman probably has the best shot at being an impact reliever right away - and work his way into high leverage. Lakins probably works in middle relief, and Hernandez, we'll have to see what his control looks like. I think at some point they'll have to trade for a reliever or two that are experienced. One other point, with Houck going back to his old mechanics, I do wonder how fast he can shoot up through the system, and perhaps like Hernandez, they think about using him in the pen, probably in September or maybe earlier. I totally agree that expecting quick success from Lakins, Feltman and Darwinzon is a lot to ask, as well as a bit of wishcasting. However, the facts remain that Lakins appeared ready by mid-2018 and should be ready to contribute now. Feltman was specifically drafted as a late inning arm with closer potential who is expected to rise quickly. Both are pretty much already developed and ready soon. Darwinzon is not unlike alot of excellent late inning relievers with massive stuff and control issues. I hope they let him develop as a SP but we can expect him if he is needed for a pennant run IMO the point stands that IF they all come up, this Pen will be beastly.Fortunately, the need to mess with Darwinzon’s development may be mitigated by Thornburg, Brewer, Poyner, Taylor, Houck, Shawaryn who are being evaluated right now, and some real promise shown by new additions like Mejia or Tapia, or by an early trade. This bullpen isn’t nyfy awesome (which, with HR, is their strongest element), but with the Sox amazing lineup, rotation, hit tool, outfield, speed/power game, etc. it need not be. We could hope for similar awesomeness, but the Sox strategy of accumulating the pieces to be average or better should be enough. Meanwhile, the 2019 potential for adding Feltman, Darwinzon, Lakins, and Mejia have me dreaming on beastly. I do anticipate by Sept all three guys will be up if not sooner and you might even add Houck to the list, but I just don't get beastly out of that. Nor with Mejia either. He was decent with the Mets, not great. I think if the Red Sox get one high leverage reliable reliever out of that bunch this season (I'll nominate Feltman) and they get a middle reliever who is average (I'll nominate Lakins) who they can put on a post-season roster, they'll probably be doing cartwheels. It seems like we say it all the time, "The Red Sox will definitely go get a reliever in a deal", but it hasn't happened. Thought it would happen last July, but their deal for Herrera fell through. Thought they'd definitely acquire somebody (as a free agent) in the winter, but that didn't happen, but I still maintain the Sox will deal for an experienced reliever come July. Even with the kids on the way, I'd be really, really surprised if they don't. My guess is somebody from the 3b depth goes (Danny Diaz perhaps?) or a Zack Schellinger goes in a deal for a reliever.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2019 14:55:24 GMT -5
The 10th was worth the wait. Nasty, nasty,nasty...
I'm calling it. Closer before the All-Star break.
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Post by gerry on Mar 14, 2019 17:56:19 GMT -5
Filthy Feltman? Dirty Durbin?
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 14, 2019 18:08:42 GMT -5
To dab at the corners of mouths, Feltman was not a high velocity guy today. His first several FBs were 95 and a bit off target. Later in the inning he was 93-94....not "wow" Kelly/Kimbrel or even Hembree velocity. Maybe there is more. He had a great diving splitter or curve. High, max effort was clear.
Perhaps he can help at some point but he is not Moses on today's performance.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 14, 2019 22:17:56 GMT -5
I do anticipate by Sept all three guys will be up if not sooner and you might even add Houck to the list, but I just don't get beastly out of that. Nor with Mejia either. He was decent with the Mets, not great. I think if the Red Sox get one high leverage reliable reliever out of that bunch this season (I'll nominate Feltman) and they get a middle reliever who is average (I'll nominate Lakins) who they can put on a post-season roster, they'll probably be doing cartwheels. You have to admit, that's a lot of names of relievers who could be good this year. I wouldn't bet money on any of them individually, but as a collective I could see your "one reliable reliever and one middle reliever" situation being fairly likely. If that does turn out to be the case, that's a better bullpen than we took into the playoffs last year. Admittedly, probably not an elite bullpen this year, but still should be enough to get the job done. Kind of my feeling, too. SO many names, that it just seems more likely than not that at least will come up huge (a la Brasier) and at least one or two more come out pretty strong. Reliably excellent relievers are rare, but there are LOTS who are very good to excellent for one year. Barnes, IMO, is approaching that first class. There are several others who are “meh” but reliably serviceable. And about 15 names (including guys who could break out from the minors) who have some compelling quality about them that hints at success. The odds are in Boston’s favor right now, IMO. Still like to see them get Madson, tho. $1M flier, he sits 95 and has good secondaries. Way underperformed his peripherals. Nothing to lose.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 14, 2019 22:21:30 GMT -5
To dab at the corners of mouths, Feltman was not a high velocity guy today. His first several FBs were 95 and a bit off target. Later in the inning he was 93-94....not "wow" Kelly/Kimbrel or even Hembree velocity. Maybe there is more. He had a great diving splitter or curve. High, max effort was clear. Perhaps he can help at some point but he is not Moses on today's performance. Pitchers typically gain velocity over the course of the summer, and historically he’s sat a couple ticks higher. It’s still ST, I’m more concerned with whether he’s commanding and what his secondaries look like. I appreciate you’re advocating restraint, tho.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 15, 2019 7:21:48 GMT -5
To dab at the corners of mouths, Feltman was not a high velocity guy today. His first several FBs were 95 and a bit off target. Later in the inning he was 93-94....not "wow" Kelly/Kimbrel or even Hembree velocity. Maybe there is more. He had a great diving splitter or curve. High, max effort was clear. Perhaps he can help at some point but he is not Moses on today's performance. Pitchers typically gain velocity over the course of the summer, and historically he’s sat a couple ticks higher. It’s still ST, I’m more concerned with whether he’s commanding and what his secondaries look like. I appreciate you’re advocating restraint, tho. Yup, they do. He had a very sharp downward break on whatever was his off-speed. I think that we are so hungry for some good pitching news we might be willing to get carried off. But he showed more stuff than those trotted out so far. If he can sit at 95 with command, he could help. I saw that Workman pitched but wasn't able to watch. Hopefully he was back in the 90s.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 15, 2019 9:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 15, 2019 10:05:28 GMT -5
To dab at the corners of mouths, Feltman was not a high velocity guy today. His first several FBs were 95 and a bit off target. Later in the inning he was 93-94....not "wow" Kelly/Kimbrel or even Hembree velocity. Maybe there is more. He had a great diving splitter or curve. High, max effort was clear. Perhaps he can help at some point but he is not Moses on today's performance. Pitchers typically gain velocity over the course of the summer, and historically he’s sat a couple ticks higher. It’s still ST, I’m more concerned with whether he’s commanding and what his secondaries look like. I appreciate you’re advocating restraint, tho. That splitter was the surprise to me, he's known for FB / slider. That thing had major sharp drop. No bat came close to any of his pitches and the pickoff of an experienced ML player was nice to see. There was only one pitch that missed the target substantially.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 15, 2019 10:14:54 GMT -5
Pitchers typically gain velocity over the course of the summer, and historically he’s sat a couple ticks higher. It’s still ST, I’m more concerned with whether he’s commanding and what his secondaries look like. I appreciate you’re advocating restraint, tho. That splitter was the surprise to me, he's known for FB / slider. That thing had major sharp drop. No bat came close to any of his pitches and the pickoff of an experienced ML player was nice to see. There was only one pitch that missed the target substantially. Are you sure it's a splitter and not a hard curve? This is from the article I just posted:
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Post by soxcentral on Mar 15, 2019 12:23:16 GMT -5
Starting to think we might be able to get by with a back end of Barnes/Braiser/Feltman/1st half Hembree for the first month at least.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 15, 2019 13:39:13 GMT -5
That splitter was the surprise to me, he's known for FB / slider. That thing had major sharp drop. No bat came close to any of his pitches and the pickoff of an experienced ML player was nice to see. There was only one pitch that missed the target substantially. Are you sure it's a splitter and not a hard curve? This is from the article I just posted: No, actually I'm not sure what it was. It was somewhat reminiscent of Mo's splitter but that's crazy talk. It's not a typical drop in the dirt curve though.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 15, 2019 13:41:15 GMT -5
Starting to think we might be able to get by with a back end of Barnes/Braiser/Feltman/1st half Hembree for the first month at least. Why would the Sox want to lose a year of control by having him break camp rather than waiting three weeks ?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 15, 2019 13:45:55 GMT -5
Starting to think we might be able to get by with a back end of Barnes/Braiser/Feltman/1st half Hembree for the first month at least. Why would the Sox want to lose a year of control by having him break camp rather than waiting three weeks ? I think he's trying to say that the Sox would wind up with an end game of high leverage from Barnes, Brasier, and Feltman by the end of the season, but rely on Barnes, Brasier, and Hembree for high leverage situations in the 1st half or at least through April. The point being that we won't see Feltman, until May 1st at the earliest, but more likely the 2nd half, perhaps bringing him up in May, easing him into the bullpen and hoping he becomes a high leverage guy by the 2nd half of the season at some point.
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Post by soxcentral on Mar 15, 2019 18:19:23 GMT -5
Why would the Sox want to lose a year of control by having him break camp rather than waiting three weeks ? I think he's trying to say that the Sox would wind up with an end game of high leverage from Barnes, Brasier, and Feltman by the end of the season, but rely on Barnes, Brasier, and Hembree for high leverage situations in the 1st half or at least through April. The point being that we won't see Feltman, until May 1st at the earliest, but more likely the 2nd half, perhaps bringing him up in May, easing him into the bullpen and hoping he becomes a high leverage guy by the 2nd half of the season at some point. I understand the extra year of control piece, but if you're not going to spend on the bullpen in the short term, you can't leave it this short of high-leverage arms by worrying that far out into the future. Plus, different calculus for relievers. Their career arcs are different than a Devers or Beni, especially with the high effort delivery Feltman has. One person's opinion - if Feltman is the best high leverage arm to add to the Opening Day roster out of all the potential options, you bite the bullet and start the year with him.
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Post by Guidas on Mar 15, 2019 19:05:07 GMT -5
Who is still available out there besides Kimbrel? Seems like bargains could be had for someone like Sipp, etc. Santiago Casilla, Madson, Jim Johnson, Gio Gonzalez....Sipp signed recently for a little over a million I would give Gio up to $5M and stick him in the pen, with a chance to scale up to start if someone goes down.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 15, 2019 20:23:29 GMT -5
You gotta believe that Kimbrel is not coming back with what we have to offer. Is there a team more desperate for relief pitching than us? We have no lefties ready. Go Gio!!
Oops, I see the Yankees are interested in signing him.....nevermind.
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