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Post by ramireja on Feb 11, 2013 21:04:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't normally make a thread for another prospect list but I found this one particularly informative. The list comes with some first-hand insights and loads of good video. The top 15 were as follows: 1. Xander Bogaerts 2. Matt Barnes 3. Jackie Bradley Jr. 4. Allen Webster 5. Garin Cecchini 6. Henry Owens 7. Blake Swihart 8. Bryce Brentz 9. Brian Johnson 10. Deven Marrero 11. Jose Vinicio 12. Ty Buttrey 13. Brandon Workman 14. Pat Light 15. Cody Kukuk Some tidbits I found interesting: - Praise for Bogaert's D - Brian Johnson's improved stuff - Mention of Mike Augliera (Law mentioned him too) LInk: bullpenbanter.com/boston-red-sox-2013-top-15-prospects/
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 11, 2013 21:17:00 GMT -5
I like Garin Cecchini's swing quite a bit, clean and efficient, really good bat speed. Don't remember seeing him before ...
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Post by jmei on Feb 11, 2013 22:26:50 GMT -5
Pat Light at 14 is an interesting ranking. He's really raw for a college pick and while he has solid fastball velocity (and a frame to sustain his velocity as a starter), his secondary stuff needs a lot of improvement. They do mention a changeup that flashed plus and improvement in his slider in Lowell last year, and he'll need to continue to improve those pitches to stick in the rotation.
There is also loads of great tape (although some of it a few years old), including my first looks at De La Cruz, Pat Light, Blake Swihart, and Henry Owens.
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Post by lasershow07 on Feb 11, 2013 22:55:12 GMT -5
Light looks like he repeats his delivery on every throw. I see a lot of Bard in him with the height, low arm slot, velocity and potential for a wipeout slider. He's also nice and easy with the delivery, it looks pretty low effort to me.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 12, 2013 14:41:16 GMT -5
Al Skorupa's a friend of the site - was going to post this today. He's definitely always out at games in the New England area as well.
I could see really liking Light if you think he'll develop the secondary stuff. He's uncannily good at repeating his delivery, and the fastball is very good.
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Post by lasershow07 on Feb 12, 2013 18:32:45 GMT -5
I'm speculating here, but even considering the general caveat that anything is possible at this point in his development, there doesn't seem to be a lot of enthusiasm or support behind the idea that Light can make those adjustments on his secondary pitches. Is that the case or is it just a function of how far he has to go? To me Light looks like a guy we should be really excited about if everything clicks.
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Post by raftsox on Feb 13, 2013 8:07:22 GMT -5
When you have a heavy, plus fastball sometimes you don't need more than a "show-me" offering with your secondary stuff in high school and college. There's a good chance that just spending a bit of time working on 1 or 2 secondary pitches for a consistent amount of time will develop them into average pitches. Just on the fastball alone, I like him. If he can't develop anything more then he should be a ML reliever anyways.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 13, 2013 10:05:45 GMT -5
He was a first round pick so he better have a decent chance of developing those secondary pitches.
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Post by raftsox on Feb 13, 2013 10:26:03 GMT -5
He was a first round pick so he better have a decent chance of developing those secondary pitches. I don't think that draft position means a whole lot when it comes to developing pitches. A lot of guys drafted in the first round or two have big fastballs and potential. Look at Bard for example. His slider really didn't turn into anything more than a change of pace for him.
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Post by jrffam05 on Feb 13, 2013 10:36:55 GMT -5
I really enjoy reading prospect lists, although I know they are subjective and a lot of them are garbage. This site does a good job of consolidating all the lists. It is regularly updated www.fantasyrundown.com/2013_MLB_Prospects.html
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Post by zman on Feb 13, 2013 12:13:51 GMT -5
Is anybody else unimpressed by Xander Bogaerts in the video available at the bottom of the analysis? Terrible takes with his hands moving all over the place; fooled on breaking balls. His lower half does not sequence well, with his back knee just rolling into the swing rather than getting that strong sideways press that all great hitters create. Maybe the power is projectable, but the contact ability does not play out in how he swings the bat. Any thoughts?
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Post by honkbal on Feb 13, 2013 12:54:14 GMT -5
Is anybody else unimpressed by Xander Bogaerts in the video available at the bottom of the analysis? Terrible takes with his hands moving all over the place; fooled on breaking balls. His lower half does not sequence well, with his back knee just rolling into the swing rather than getting that strong sideways press that all great hitters create. Maybe the power is projectable, but the contact ability does not play out in how he swings the bat. Any thoughts? It's probably fair to say that on the day he went 0-7 with 4 strikeouts, he wasn't at his best.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 13, 2013 13:40:35 GMT -5
Is anybody else unimpressed by Xander Bogaerts in the video available at the bottom of the analysis? Terrible takes with his hands moving all over the place; fooled on breaking balls. His lower half does not sequence well, with his back knee just rolling into the swing rather than getting that strong sideways press that all great hitters create. Maybe the power is projectable, but the contact ability does not play out in how he swings the bat. Any thoughts? Yeah I noticed that too. The video is completely unflattering. So yeah, I think its safe to assume that caught Xander on an off day or two. His stats still speak for themselves and plenty of firsthand scouting reports indicate that these aren't regularly occurring issues. There's still room to grow though I'm sure.
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Post by hammerhead on Feb 14, 2013 9:09:45 GMT -5
Al Skorupa's a friend of the site - was going to post this today. He's definitely always out at games in the New England area as well. I could see really liking Light if you think he'll develop the secondary stuff. He's uncannily good at repeating his delivery, and the fastball is very good. Is it just me or does Light change his arm angle a couple times during that video? It appears that his natural release is a true 3/4's arm angle, but in one clip he is almost sidearm (with natural sidearm movement). He does repeat his delivery well, but I wonder if eventually (if he gets hung up as a prospect) he doesn't become a ROOGY. ...... By the way, I re-watched the video and I'm not just talking about where he is warming up ... to a standing catcher/ obviously loosening up from the side etc. I was more think about when he was on the mound.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 14, 2013 10:46:41 GMT -5
Is anybody else unimpressed by Xander Bogaerts in the video available at the bottom of the analysis? Terrible takes with his hands moving all over the place; fooled on breaking balls. His lower half does not sequence well, with his back knee just rolling into the swing rather than getting that strong sideways press that all great hitters create. Maybe the power is projectable, but the contact ability does not play out in how he swings the bat. Any thoughts? I think we need to pump the breaks a little on Bogaerts. Not so much in the sense that he isn't as good as we think, but more that he isn't as close as we think. I know everyone is very excited about him because he's super young for his level and he hit a bunch of home runs in Portland, but there's also a lot of signs that he's pretty overmatched at the level. You can see it in the video and in his 21 Ks and 1 walk in AA last year. He's still loaded with batspeed and power and he's got all the time in the world to adjust so I'm not too worried, but at the same time it wouldn't surprise me at all if he has some pretty serious struggles in AA this year.
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Post by hammerhead on Feb 14, 2013 13:21:50 GMT -5
I think Keury De La Cruz should be nicknamed Clubber Lang...
His Soxprospects scouting report says "slight upper-cut swing" .... But he has one of the more pronounced upper-cut swings I've seen in a while. He has great bat speed, but if he profiles more as a doubles hitter he should really be working on leveling off the swing a bit.
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 14, 2013 13:24:37 GMT -5
Is anybody else unimpressed by Xander Bogaerts in the video available at the bottom of the analysis? Terrible takes with his hands moving all over the place; fooled on breaking balls. His lower half does not sequence well, with his back knee just rolling into the swing rather than getting that strong sideways press that all great hitters create. Maybe the power is projectable, but the contact ability does not play out in how he swings the bat. Any thoughts? I think we need to pump the breaks a little on Bogaerts. Not so much in the sense that he isn't as good as we think, but more that he isn't as close as we think. I know everyone is very excited about him because he's super young for his level and he hit a bunch of home runs in Portland, but there's also a lot of signs that he's pretty overmatched at the level. You can see it in the video and in his 21 Ks and 1 walk in AA last year. He's still loaded with batspeed and power and he's got all the time in the world to adjust so I'm not too worried, but at the same time it wouldn't surprise me at all if he has some pretty serious struggles in AA this year. Exactly. All these accolades I think might be setting expectations up beyond a level that is reasonable. I am bracing for a tough start to the year for Xander, and hoping for a strong second half as the sign he is what we all hope he will become. Anything better than that is extremely unlikely, anything less than that at his age would not be shocking and doesn't guarantee he's Lars Part 2.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 14, 2013 13:59:07 GMT -5
I think the key will be the secondary pitches, as it always seems to be for young players. That video is all about setting him up with breaking balls, and knocking him down with stuff outside. That's the standard drill and it worked for the pitcher who obviously had a plan. The swing is there. Now he has to learn when to use it given what they're trying - and will try - to do to him.
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Post by thegoo13 on Feb 14, 2013 15:59:16 GMT -5
I think the key will be the secondary pitches, as it always seems to be for young players. That video is all about setting him up with breaking balls, and knocking him down with stuff outside. That's the standard drill and it worked for the pitcher who obviously had a plan. The swing is there. Now he has to learn when to use it given what they're trying - and will try - to do to him. Agree with what people are saying, but for me, from this small sample size what I loved to see was that second at bat vs that same pitcher. First at bat he threw first pitch breaking ball which X was not ready for and then busted the heat on the outside corner. He tried the exact same thing to X in the second AB but X was ready for that heater on the outside corner the next time. He missed it. Popped it up, but he was looking for it. Smart hitter!
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