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Post by jimed14 on Nov 29, 2018 12:18:04 GMT -5
Does anyone really want to see Cano age if he has to stop the roids? Wouldn't the whole point of Diaz be to free up money? Nelson Cruz says hi. Ryan Braun also says hi?
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 29, 2018 12:53:45 GMT -5
Without getting into the steroids silliness, Cano is a 36-year-old second baseman. He has over 2000 games there, which generally leads to quite a bit of wear. For comparison's sake, Chase Utley had under 1750 games at second. Pedroia has 1488. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a couple seasons similar to 2017 left in him with the bat, but I dunno. If a team was taking him on as a salary dump instead of giving up prime prospects I could see it.
Kelenic and Dunn would be a very good return here for the Mariners, even if they are picking up a major chunk of the Cano contract, if that is real. Who knows though.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Nov 29, 2018 13:07:38 GMT -5
Rosenthal just tweeted the following...
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 29, 2018 13:21:33 GMT -5
Rosenthal just tweeted the following... I cannot stand players who walk about 3% of the time. They're almost unplayable when running into bad BABIP luck or in a slump.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 29, 2018 13:38:12 GMT -5
If you think Pedroia might be done, example trading for Cano. I'd gamble on Schoop for 1 year 10 million. Last year does look like BAbip hurt him, before that he hit .267 or better for three straight years. His defense isn't bad at 2B, lot better than Nunez. Age 27 season if the cost was next to nothing and it was basically just 10 million. Can you imagine 2017 Schoop in this line-up? If the owners just want to spend and build a crazy deep team Schoop is the better gamble than Cano.
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Post by borisman on Nov 29, 2018 13:45:04 GMT -5
Appears that the Mets and Mariners are moving toward a deal. Ugh! Just when I was feeling hopeful, it ends with a thud.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 29, 2018 13:51:53 GMT -5
If you think Pedroia might be done, example trading for Cano. I'd gamble on Schoop for 1 year 10 million. Last year does look like BAbip hurt him, before that he hit .267 or better for three straight years. His defense isn't bad at 2B, lot better than Nunez. Age 27 season if the cost was next to nothing and it was basically just 10 million. Can you imagine 2017 Schoop in this line-up? If the owners just want to spend and build a crazy deep team Schoop is the better gamble than Cano. I don't understand why anyone would sign up to be a starting 2B for the Red Sox but still may have to compete with Pedroia for playing time. These guys want to play as much as they want to get paid. I think you'd really have to overpay someone to ignore that factor. You'd basically have to admit that Pedroia is done for good and I really doubt the Red Sox are going to say that before Pedroia is ready to give up.
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Post by unitspin on Nov 29, 2018 13:52:45 GMT -5
I guess this is the point in free agency when you just fling stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Although id love to see pedey gone I do not see DD making a big move with basically the same team moving forward as last yr besides a cpl bullpen pieces. I think we won the ship if I remember correctly.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 29, 2018 14:01:07 GMT -5
If you think Pedroia might be done, example trading for Cano. I'd gamble on Schoop for 1 year 10 million. Last year does look like BAbip hurt him, before that he hit .267 or better for three straight years. His defense isn't bad at 2B, lot better than Nunez. Age 27 season if the cost was next to nothing and it was basically just 10 million. Can you imagine 2017 Schoop in this line-up? If the owners just want to spend and build a crazy deep team Schoop is the better gamble than Cano. I don't understand why anyone would sign up to be a starting 2B for the Red Sox but still may have to compete with Pedroia for playing time. These guys want to play as much as they want to get paid. I think you'd really have to overpay someone to ignore that factor. You'd basically have to admit that Pedroia is done for good and I really doubt the Red Sox are going to say that before Pedroia is ready to give up. Does Schoop have many options if you trade for him? That's what is kinda great about him. 1 year 10 million of what should be a prime age 27 season. You have to make the trade though, you can't let him get non-tendered and hope to sign him for less.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 29, 2018 14:09:06 GMT -5
I don't understand why anyone would sign up to be a starting 2B for the Red Sox but still may have to compete with Pedroia for playing time. These guys want to play as much as they want to get paid. I think you'd really have to overpay someone to ignore that factor. You'd basically have to admit that Pedroia is done for good and I really doubt the Red Sox are going to say that before Pedroia is ready to give up. Does Schoop have many options if you trade for him? That's what is kinda great about him. 1 year 10 million of what should be a prime age 27 season. You have to make the trade though, you can't let him get non-tendered and hope to sign him for less. Oh, I thought we were talking about what happened if he was non-tendered.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 29, 2018 14:54:08 GMT -5
PED suspensions are predictive of nothing, don't @ me. (No, this isn't an argument that the Red Sox should acquire Cano)
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 29, 2018 15:05:59 GMT -5
For what little it's worth, Braun was really good in 2015 and 2016. There are probably better examples of players who went to bits post-PEDs.
It's kind of impossible to isolate what is going to be just regular post-peak decline, but Braun's age 31 to 33 aren't out of place for what he was in his 20's. He showed real decline this year, but that happens at 34.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 29, 2018 15:28:50 GMT -5
For what little it's worth, Braun was really good in 2015 and 2016. There are probably better examples of players who went to bits post-PEDs. Are there, though?
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Post by soxin8 on Nov 29, 2018 16:11:02 GMT -5
For what little it's worth, Braun was really good in 2015 and 2016. There are probably better examples of players who went to bits post-PEDs. Are there, though? Eric Gagne?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 29, 2018 16:29:05 GMT -5
Nelson Cruz is one of the biogen cases isn't he? Never failed a test, but they had proof he bought large quantities of roids. So how good is our testing? It almost feels like a player needs to mess up to get busted or gets greedy and does it way more than others. Seems crystal clear there is a system and a way too do it without getting caught. So should we really just assume guys that get caught have stopped? Maybe it should be more like they reduced the amount they were taking, changed roids or got a new system.
If your Cruz they couldn't get you to fail a test. The lesson is be more careful buying them, not you can't take them.
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Post by iii on Nov 29, 2018 20:58:15 GMT -5
I don't see the Sox taking on a big contract to obtain Edwin Diaz. Per Joel Sherman, the Sox are expressing strong interest in Diaz. New York Post LinkUnpopular Opinion here but I'd trade Pedroia, Swihart, + a prospect (depended on second player) for Diaz, Mallex Smith (or insert another player/prospect), and Cano (eat 25 mil$). I think Cano's bat will age well and he still great at second could move to first after next year with Mitch and Pearce contracts up or could DH if JD leaves if he declines defensively at Second.
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Post by iii on Nov 29, 2018 20:58:35 GMT -5
Pedroia is a 10 / 5 man, he would need to approve any trade. Too much money left on Cano's contract. They should have considered Hanley for Cano last year.
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Post by michael on Nov 29, 2018 21:03:01 GMT -5
Here's an example of the craziness buzz about Cano: Tim Britton Verified account @timbritton More Tim Britton Retweeted Andy Martino If the Mets can get the Mariners to... A. Take back Bruce's $28M B. Pay down $50M of Cano's salary C. Add in All-Star caliber major-league talent... ...yeah, they should do that. I'm skeptical Seattle would be that desperate. Tim Britton quote sounds more like Tim Burton.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 30, 2018 1:43:42 GMT -5
Here's an example of the craziness buzz about Cano: Tim Britton Verified account @timbritton More Tim Britton Retweeted Andy Martino If the Mets can get the Mariners to... A. Take back Bruce's $28M B. Pay down $50M of Cano's salary C. Add in All-Star caliber major-league talent... ...yeah, they should do that. I'm skeptical Seattle would be that desperate. Tim Britton quote sounds more like Tim Burton. He's commenting on an early tweet by Andy Martino which looks like it might go down but we don't have any inklings on how much of Cano's salary the Mariners will eat. Tim is a beat writer for the Mets now. If this does go down and the Mets keep Thor, they'd be great candidates for a Sandy Leon trade.
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