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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Apr 20, 2019 10:54:25 GMT -5
Wilson sounds like a legitimate candidate to replace JBJ if he leaves or is traded. He has a pretty high floor with very good CF defense and speed. His ceiling is mainly defined by his ability to get stronger and develop more power. I sure hope not as he doesn’t appear to be able to hit, And so? 2/3 of the time JBJ demonstrably isn't able to hit.
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Post by gerry on Apr 20, 2019 11:58:30 GMT -5
I sure hope not as he doesn’t appear to be able to hit, And so? 2/3 of the time JBJ demonstrably isn't able to hit. Historically he has been a good contact hitter with high OBP. Because of this and his speed and defense he was a second round pick, and ranked 20 in their system. He is still just 22? Both the Sox and D’Backs saw potential there. IMO both he and Duran have alot in common and Duran looks very good. Maybe a welcome parting shot by BS??? Lets wait and see and be glad Blake landed on his feet.
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Post by soxcentral on Apr 20, 2019 12:40:43 GMT -5
Looks like the International Bonus Pool money was $500k per a DBacks story on MLB .com and Swihart will be a utility man for now. Story linkThat’s ridiculous amount of international money for someone who can’t hit. Essentially throwing away good money to cover up the numerous mistakes made with Swihart. I would have preferred they sign two or three lottery ticket type of international prospects and let Swihart go for organizational filler. If I’m reading that article correctly, we are receiving the bonus pool money, not giving it away.
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Post by ivor on Apr 20, 2019 12:49:44 GMT -5
That’s ridiculous amount of international money for someone who can’t hit. Essentially throwing away good money to cover up the numerous mistakes made with Swihart. I would have preferred they sign two or three lottery ticket type of international prospects and let Swihart go for organizational filler. If I’m reading that article correctly, we are receiving the bonus pool money, not giving it away. I believe it just a poorly worded article. This tweet from the Red Sox says we are giving the money away.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 20, 2019 13:04:41 GMT -5
Is it just me or is it crazy to be giving away int'l signing money when our farm system is the pits?
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 20, 2019 13:27:19 GMT -5
It’s last years international money
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Post by incandenza on Apr 20, 2019 13:36:55 GMT -5
Umm... what? I genuinely don't get this. If it's last year's money how does it have value for Arizona? And if it has value for Arizona why would it not have value for the Red Sox?
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Apr 20, 2019 14:21:02 GMT -5
Umm... what? I genuinely don't get this. If it's last year's money how does it have value for Arizona? And if it has value for Arizona why would it not have value for the Red Sox? There are still prospects to sign which could have helped the Red Sox address their talent shortage in their system. It is essentially throwing away good money to try say they didn’t give away Swihart for nothing. I would have preferred they got a bag of baseballs for Swihart and use the money for two or three prospects with higher ceilings than Wilson.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 20, 2019 14:56:39 GMT -5
Umm... what? I genuinely don't get this. If it's last year's money how does it have value for Arizona? And if it has value for Arizona why would it not have value for the Red Sox? There are still prospects to sign which could have helped the Red Sox address their talent shortage in their system. It is essentially throwing away good money to try say they didn’t give away Swihart for nothing. I would have preferred they got a bag of baseballs for Swihart and use the money for two or three prospects with higher ceilings than Wilson. Umm good luck with that, Wilson seems to be a rather high ceiling type player. International guys are so hard and at this point I'm not sure guys like that are even available. I do hate punting draft money though.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 20, 2019 14:58:02 GMT -5
Umm... what? I genuinely don't get this. If it's last year's money how does it have value for Arizona? And if it has value for Arizona why would it not have value for the Red Sox? There are still prospects to sign which could have helped the Red Sox address their talent shortage in their system. It is essentially throwing away good money to try say they didn’t give away Swihart for nothing. I would have preferred they got a bag of baseballs for Swihart and use the money for two or three prospects with higher ceilings than Wilson. You'd have to get extremely lucky to get anyone like Wilson for that money. It's strange to me that you already seem to hate him because you read a few words and looked at his 2018 stats. All of the international prospects from last year have been picked clean.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2019 16:56:53 GMT -5
I sure hope not as he doesn’t appear to be able to hit, He wasn't able to hit well in one season when he made a lot of adjustments. But that doesn't mean he'll never hit or never hit in any other season. Also his very good defense and speed gives him a high floor. The walk rates are also encouraging. Can't see your graphs or picture when they're that small.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 20, 2019 17:47:34 GMT -5
He wasn't able to hit well in one season when he made a lot of adjustments. But that doesn't mean he'll never hit or never hit in any other season. Also his very good defense and speed gives him a high floor. The walk rates are also encouraging. Can't see your graphs or picture when they're that small. I've been told to make them smaller than 100%, that was at 70%, now 100%. I'm on a laptop though so that's probably the problem if you're on a phone. You could probably zoom in. I'll make them bigger from now on.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2019 18:38:47 GMT -5
Can't see your graphs or picture when they're that small. I've been told to make them smaller than 100%, that was at 70%, now 100%. I'm on a laptop though so that's probably the problem if you're on a phone. You could probably zoom in. I'll make them bigger from now on. Yeah I got mobile. That's probably the problem.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 21, 2019 9:13:25 GMT -5
So its last years slot money? We didnt use it all? Im confused.
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Post by kjkramer on Apr 21, 2019 15:17:05 GMT -5
I really hoped Swihart would go to a small market team and get a chance to play regularly and catch 5 days a week. He went to the same situation on a different team. So sad
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Apr 21, 2019 18:27:39 GMT -5
The Phillies, Twins and Rangers have acquired international bones mibey from the Orioles over the past two months, in addition to the Diamondbacks acquiring $500k of bonus money from the Red Sox in the Swihart. Clearly those teams see some value out there which is why they acquired this bonus money. The Rangers signed a pitching prospect for $800 k three weeks ago who had previously agreed to terms with Cubs.
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Post by libertine on Apr 21, 2019 21:01:27 GMT -5
I really hoped Swihart would go to a small market team and get a chance to play regularly and catch 5 days a week. He went to the same situation on a different team. So sad Makes me wonder more what really went on with Swihart. The day they DFA'd him Dombrowski was going on about Blake needing to go some place where he would get to catch on a regular basis to help in his development. So they trade him somewhere where he is going to be used the same way as he was in Boston. In fact Arizona sounds like they plan to use him very little, if at all, behind the plate...
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 22, 2019 17:13:21 GMT -5
Swihart finally activated today, tonight's game in PITT.
Not in the lineup
Edit: AZ now has 4 catchers on the 25-man roster.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 23, 2019 7:24:20 GMT -5
I really hoped Swihart would go to a small market team and get a chance to play regularly and catch 5 days a week. He went to the same situation on a different team. So sad Makes me wonder more what really went on with Swihart. The day they DFA'd him Dombrowski was going on about Blake needing to go some place where he would get to catch on a regular basis to help in his development. So they trade him somewhere where he is going to be used the same way as he was in Boston. In fact Arizona sounds like they plan to use him very little, if at all, behind the plate... As much as they would have liked to get Swihart to a place that would have been good for him, they're ultimately going to make the trade they like best, even if it sucks for Swihart. It looks as if Wilson was on a list of guys they really liked.
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Post by libertine on Apr 23, 2019 8:38:01 GMT -5
Makes me wonder more what really went on with Swihart. The day they DFA'd him Dombrowski was going on about Blake needing to go some place where he would get to catch on a regular basis to help in his development. So they trade him somewhere where he is going to be used the same way as he was in Boston. In fact Arizona sounds like they plan to use him very little, if at all, behind the plate... As much as they would have liked to get Swihart to a place that would have been good for him, they're ultimately going to make the trade they like best, even if it sucks for Swihart. It looks as if Wilson was on a list of guys they really liked. At the risk of appearing to be overly critical of the team I love if a story was written about Swihart's time in the organization it would be titled "Even if it Sucks for Swihart". Accurate right up, and including, the last chapter...
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2019 10:38:24 GMT -5
The Phillies, Twins and Rangers have acquired international bones mibey from the Orioles over the past two months, in addition to the Diamondbacks acquiring $500k of bonus money from the Red Sox in the Swihart. Clearly those teams see some value out there which is why they acquired this bonus money. The Rangers signed a pitching prospect for $800 k three weeks ago who had previously agreed to terms with Cubs. The Orioles traded for a ton of international money hoping to make a splash finally in that market. They had 6 million in money left and couldn't get anyone to take it. So much of the process is about relationships and the right fit. You can always just spend the money, doesn't mean you can get a guy to sign that is worth it or has an upside like Wilson. If it was that simple the Orioles would have just signed a bunch of guys instead of trading money they had made trades to acquire. Very late in the process for last year's international money. Bunch of teams fighting over what's left.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 23, 2019 14:23:26 GMT -5
Re: the IFA money:
The Red Sox, as you may recall, traded Cedrola for $1.5M in bonus cap money. That brought their cap up to just under $6.5M. As of September, they had spent about $5.6M towards that cap (note that bonuses $10k and under don't count). I'm working on getting an updated figure because they've signed at least 15 guys since then, but basically, if they decided they're not going to use this 500k at this point, then it's of no value to them anyway. It's possible they still have around $400k of "just in case" money left anyway, which should be more than enough.
In other words, it's not something to get worked up about.
Edit: they've spent another 200k since then, so they're at $5,812,500. Post Swihart trade, they have $190,100 remaining. Basically, they're acknowledging they're done and don't think anyone else will pop up that they'd use the 500k on.
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 23, 2019 14:57:50 GMT -5
Sandy Leon being on the roster is however
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 1, 2019 20:25:44 GMT -5
Swihart back at the end of the bench. 2 ABs in last week. 1 for 26 going back to time in Bos. One hit traveled 20 feet.
Marcus Wilson hasn't hit. But he is in the lineup.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 1, 2019 20:49:23 GMT -5
Swihart back at the end of the bench. 2 ABs in last week. 1 for 26 going back to time in Bos. One hit traveled 20 feet. Marcus Wilson hasn't hit. But he is in the lineup. What is it with teams wanting Swihart on the roster, but never actually in the lineup?
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