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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 10, 2019 17:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Jul 10, 2019 18:02:30 GMT -5
$100K for a senior seems to be inline. Also, Song is getting O-1 over 4 pay. While at the academy, he was probably getting E3 pay. O-1 over 4 is $4,011 per mon plus a housing allowance? I am thinking the plan to allow him to pitch next year is to have a private plan fly him from Flight training school to where ever Greenville or Salem is playing on the weekends. If he already has a private pilots license, he can fly himself, building up his flight hours. That’s a really cool thought. It’s also pretty badass. Kid’s makeup seems off the charts. I love this pick more every day. Could be a monumental coup.
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Post by levi on Jul 10, 2019 18:06:03 GMT -5
As vermontsox1 said, they have nearly $400K to work with after the Loubier signing. I wouldn't be shocked to see them go after Roberts pretty strong (maybe $425K, $300K against cap). This could leave about $100K to sign some of the remaining draft picks.
Anu is an interesting prospect because he hit .400 with a 1.200 OPS in JUCO ball but has had a pretty abysmal summer on the Cape so far with 20K:0BB and a .174 BA. Cellucci is also intriguing, but lacked consistency throughout last season. Over the first 9-1/3 IP, he had a 9.64 ERA. Over the next 11-2/3 IP, he had a 0.77 ERA. He ended the season poorly and has also struggled on the Cape (4 ER in 6 IP).
I expect Simas and Hill to be under $125K signs. It seems like Beck will be headed to Tennessee so Anu and Cellucci may be the only other draft picks whose bonuses could exceed $125K.
Any thoughts on what they might do?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 10, 2019 19:30:10 GMT -5
Here's the spreadsheet update with the remaining pool+5% as mentioned above. If the Sox were to spend on picks 12, 14, 15 & 16 at the projections, they'd be almost $152K over that pool number which would mean room for one or two more (click to expand):
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 10, 2019 19:57:17 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, one of Loubier’s best qualities as a ball player was that his curveball had an RPM above the major league average for the pitch. 1) Does that really mean anything? 2) As Loubier bulks up and adds some velocity, would that affect his curveball?
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 10, 2019 21:01:03 GMT -5
Song for $100k and Loubier for $500....?? Has the earth shifted axis?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 10, 2019 21:04:11 GMT -5
Song for $100k and Loubier for $500....?? Has the earth shifted axis? One is a college senior who likely might miss the next two seasons. One is a high school senior who had to get bought out of a college commitment. It's all about bargaining leverage.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 10, 2019 21:05:06 GMT -5
You are comparing apples to monkeys who are orange intolerant.. I just used a bastardized version of this on the Sports Hub. I apologize for failing to give proper citation.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 11, 2019 7:24:35 GMT -5
Song for $100k and Loubier for $500....?? Has the earth shifted axis? One is a college senior who likely might miss the next two seasons. One is a high school senior who had to get bought out of a college commitment. It's all about bargaining leverage. Well I know but Loubier throws in the 80s currently. His 500k is more than we gave any draft pick except the top 3 to use another comparison. It was also more than twice what was projected and Song was 1/4 the projection so I don't think I'm alone here. I was stunned as it also limits us in signing others. Sox must think that there is a lot of projection left in his development. Maybe Boras is his agent😊.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 11, 2019 7:40:22 GMT -5
One is a college senior who likely might miss the next two seasons. One is a high school senior who had to get bought out of a college commitment. It's all about bargaining leverage. Well I know but Loubier throws in the 80s currently. His 500k is more than we gave any draft pick except the top 3 to use another comparison. It was also more than twice what was projected and Song was 1/4 the projection so I don't think I'm alone here. I was stunned as it also limits us in signing others. Sox must think that there is a lot of projection left in his development. Maybe Boras is his agent😊. You can’t really compare signees from rounds 1-10 to rounds 11-40. It’s a completely different ballgame. 500k is a good amount, but bonus money isn’t only indicative of a player’s talent. It’s a combination of talent, leverage, situation, age (college vs. high school), and other factors. Impossible to compare Loubier and Song.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 11, 2019 7:40:36 GMT -5
One is a college senior who likely might miss the next two seasons. One is a high school senior who had to get bought out of a college commitment. It's all about bargaining leverage. Well I know but Loubier throws in the 80s currently. His 500k is more than we gave any draft pick except the top 3 to use another comparison. It was also more than twice what was projected and Song was 1/4 the projection so I don't think I'm alone here. I was stunned as it also limits us in signing others. Sox must think that there is a lot of projection left in his development. Maybe Boras is his agent😊. At this point, there are only so many guys left to sign. We can't really judge this until a) we see him actually pitch, and b) see who else signs. They had $773k left (or whatever it was) for the tough signs. 375 was used here. You need to use it, so you just allocate it as well as possible. Even if, say, they paid him "too much", would you prefer they not use the money at all? Again, we can't really judge that until Friday at 5, and probably not with complete information ever. And really, you should look at this as a $375k bonus. The first $125k is free. That brings him under Bell, the only day 2 draftee who had any leverage, and above the college guys and other day 3 signings. Which, again, makes all the sense in the world when you consider bargaining position.
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Post by soxinnj on Jul 11, 2019 8:03:06 GMT -5
Is Blake Loubier the same kid listed as “Stephen Loubier” on Perfect Game’s website? The picture is him there looks the same as the kid who is on the twitter page and he was a Wake Forest commit (also listed as going to Oviedo HS)
If that’s the case, might be easier to find info on him
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jul 11, 2019 8:15:01 GMT -5
Yes, same
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Post by soxinnj on Jul 11, 2019 8:44:11 GMT -5
So he’s 6’6” 190 lbs, has a real good slider and can get his fastball up to 90mph? Never seen him throw but I have a feeling he’ll put some weight on and with that will come a good amount of velocity.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 11, 2019 9:05:31 GMT -5
So he’s 6’6” 190 lbs, has a real good slider and can get his fastball up to 90mph? Never seen him throw but I have a feeling he’ll put some weight on and with that will come a good amount of velocity. Sounds like Trey Ball....hope not.
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Post by soxinnj on Jul 11, 2019 9:08:54 GMT -5
Agreed, but Trey Ball was a 1st round pick...this is a 13th rounder where they aren’t expected to make it. Maybe they found something here, maybe they didn’t. Only time will tell.
I’d love to see them go get Roberts too and I’d be happy with the arms they got in the draft when they got them.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 11, 2019 9:21:44 GMT -5
So he’s 6’6” 190 lbs, has a real good slider and can get his fastball up to 90mph? Never seen him throw but I have a feeling he’ll put some weight on and with that will come a good amount of velocity. Sounds like Trey Ball....hope not. Trey Ball got taken with the seventh pick in the draft and got $2.75M.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 11, 2019 9:47:10 GMT -5
Sounds like Trey Ball....hope not. Trey Ball got taken with the seventh pick in the draft and got $2.75M. I was comparing the description not anything else...
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 11, 2019 9:55:40 GMT -5
So all 6'6", 190lbs kids with a good slider and a FB up to 90 mph are now Trey Ball? Aside from draft spot and bonus, this comparison doesn't make any sense.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 11, 2019 10:38:20 GMT -5
So all 6'6", 190lbs kids with a good slider and a FB up to 90 mph are now Trey Ball? Aside from draft spot and bonus, this comparison doesn't make any sense. Couple of people got prickly from nothing more than Sarasoxer mentioning Trey Ball and the repertoire. Could have thrown in Henry Owens as well with swapping out the curve for a slider. Everyone here am pretty sure likes the sign, but some here take defending every thing the Sox do, even years down the line a bit too far.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 11, 2019 11:07:21 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is defending anything. I'm certainly not. Just these are kids and they are all individuals. Don't try to pigeon hole all the kids that have the same build and don't throw 95+
ADD: Just like we shouldn't be throwing out HOF or all-star comps on these kids either.
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Post by carl on Jul 11, 2019 11:27:58 GMT -5
Baseball draft is so weird compared to any other. I agree Song for $100,000 vs Loubier for $500,000 based soley on who they are at this point in time is crazy. Forget bargaining power and the rest. It just defies logic is all.
To add to that. If you compare the freshman stats of Cannon and Bakst only and knew nothing else which one would you guess got $1.3 million and which $75,000? Both played in the PAC 10 so competition was even the same. Now if you look at them since and base it on who they are at this point in time it makes more sense. Bakst profiles, to me, as a potential impact hitting infielder. Cannon too. I'm not knocking him or any of the other picks. I'm just sayingn the baseball draft is unlike any other and it creates conversations like this.
Lastly, how far the Red Sox scouting has come from years past. It's been bolstered heavily by the International part, which may really be the strength of the scouting system, but hard to not have a positive outlook on things as they stand. Sure they miss plenty and have bad years (as does every team in every sport) but 2018 looks fantastic so far and then this year the scouting department was SEVERELY handicapped by MLB draft rules but still may have found some talent despite. We'll see in a few years.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 11, 2019 11:29:23 GMT -5
So all 6'6", 190lbs kids with a good slider and a FB up to 90 mph are now Trey Ball? Aside from draft spot and bonus, this comparison doesn't make any sense. Couple of people got prickly from nothing more than Sarasoxer mentioning Trey Ball and the repertoire. Could have thrown in Henry Owens as well with swapping out the curve for a slider. Everyone here am pretty sure likes the sign, but some here take defending every thing the Sox do, even years down the line a bit too far. It could also describe Blake Snell. He was a tall skinny high school pitcher sitting 88-90 with concerns that he'd never maintain that poor velocity because of his frame.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 11, 2019 12:09:36 GMT -5
Not to put him under the microscope even more but a couple things about Loubier and these supposed starter traits. First, I haven't seen reports that he throws a slider....I've seen his pitch mix reported by Perfect Game and Speier as including FB, CB, and CH. This brief look at Loubier from Perfect Game is dated back to Oct. 2018 so its possible he's added a little velocity since then (PG at some point clocked his max velo at 90mph), but it also highlights the potential of his secondaries and perhaps some advanced ability to tunnel his pitches at least relative to his age: Also noted in that report are his "highly repeatable mechanics." For those that are interested in seeing his delivery...granted its a single BP pitch but this looks to my highly unqualified eye like a very easy, clean delivery: He may never add sig velocity, and may never advance past AA...but with nearly 3/4 of a million dollars saved from the first 10 rounds of our draft, why not add him to the prospect pool and see how he develops?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 11, 2019 12:38:32 GMT -5
So all 6'6", 190lbs kids with a good slider and a FB up to 90 mph are now Trey Ball? Aside from draft spot and bonus, this comparison doesn't make any sense. Couple of people got prickly from nothing more than Sarasoxer mentioning Trey Ball and the repertoire. Could have thrown in Henry Owens as well with swapping out the curve for a slider. Everyone here am pretty sure likes the sign, but some here take defending every thing the Sox do, even years down the line a bit too far. I don't think anyone here is really that prickly, it's just an unfair comparison to make. There are plenty of tall pitchers with a good slider that have been major leaguers and just because there's a bad taste from one example with the Sox doesn't mean it's logical to put that on a kid who just signed his pro contract. Those are two aspects of a hundred that make a good athlete, and if Sarasoxer wants to watch the kid and provided a detailed breakdown about why he doesn't have what it takes to play in the MLB then that's fine but the Trey Ball thing was a little baseless.
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