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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 17, 2019 17:18:30 GMT -5
Fantastic. I can't get enough of this. Hope it never ends.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 17, 2019 17:37:00 GMT -5
All the news just repeats itself, like some forgotten dream...
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 17, 2019 18:04:17 GMT -5
There are only 15 more people to approve and each will be waiting for a memo to be placed on their desk and will then answer a month later unless the typewriters are all broken.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 18, 2019 10:58:55 GMT -5
Surprise surprise, imagine being disappointed by government military incompetence. The idea that the government is one giant monolithic entity is silly. We built the most complex society the earth has ever seen and by necessity a complex government - one jerked back and forth by political whims - to go with it. But incompetent? not quite. I know the Navy hasn't jumped on this with both feet. Not to cut them some slack, but they do have bigger fish to fry these days. There's no argument that parts of what is a byzantine governmental structure can be dog slow. That's often the way the political forces want it. But incompetent? When they're given a mission and allowed to do it, not by a long shot.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 18, 2019 11:23:04 GMT -5
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Post by costpet on Dec 18, 2019 11:33:08 GMT -5
I heard he's committed for 2 years. That's not too bad. I think Staubach sat out 5 years and still did very well. He's 6'4". How is he going to fit in a cockpit? I should say stuffed. Maybe he'll wash out and they let him go. Just don't crash.
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 18, 2019 11:45:34 GMT -5
If the decision being made is a bureaucratic one compared to a military one, I think it favors Song’s case for getting a waiver. To be 100% clear, I support the military and believe that Noah Song will be a great addition to the Navy if that is where his path takes him. But pragmatically, Noah Song is worth more to the Navy as a member of the Red Sox than as a helicopter pilot. The positive press and recruitment opportunities that Song can bring to the Navy has the potential to be huge. Someone mentioned Joe Cardona wearing his Navy jacket ahead of the Army-Navy game and I think that’s a great example. Song was one of the faces of the Premier 12 team (with a chance to do the same for the Olympic team) and he did so as a member of the US Navy. Bureaucratically, it makes more sense for the Navy to allow Song to pitch.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 18, 2019 11:58:05 GMT -5
I heard he's committed for 2 years. That's not too bad. I think Staubach sat out 5 years and still did very well. He's 6'4". How is he going to fit in a cockpit? I should say stuffed. Maybe he'll wash out and they let him go. Just don't crash. 2 years without a regular baseball regimen is a lifetime. God knows what will happen to his mental state as well.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 18, 2019 12:04:19 GMT -5
So if we got word that Noah Song was having TJ surgery tomorrow, he'd miss all of 2020 and be rehabbing by late 2021 and he'd still be a Top 20 - maybe Top 10 prospect in the system. Jay Groome was drafted in 2016 and has barely pitched and he's ranked ahead of Song. This isn't ideal, but he's healthy and will probably be on some sort of throwing regimen. It's going to be a lot of work and it might derail him, but I'm not going to go all gloom and doom on him if he does have to fulfill the commitment.
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Post by dd on Dec 18, 2019 12:57:13 GMT -5
Surprise surprise, imagine being disappointed by government military incompetence. The idea that the government is one giant monolithic entity is silly. We built the most complex society the earth has ever seen and by necessity a complex government - one jerked back and forth by political whims - to go with it. But incompetent? not quite. I know the Navy hasn't jumped on this with both feet. Not to cut them some slack, but they do have bigger fish to fry these days. There's no argument that parts of what is a byzantine governmental structure can be dog slow. That's often the way the political forces want it. But incompetent? When they're given a mission and allowed to do it, not by a long shot.
I'm in general agreement with you, Norm. It is fair to say though that bureaucracies tend to generate their own type of incompetence regardless (often in spite of) of the competence of the individuals in them. It's kind of a perverse law of nature that must be always fought. The bigger the organization the harder it is and it's not just government. (I've been hearing some amazing stories recently from a consultant to one of the big US auto makers. It's bureaucratic incompetence run amok to the benefit of a small number of incompetent individuals who can't be easily removed because of bureaucratic rules!) OK. Baseball ...
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 18, 2019 13:44:20 GMT -5
So if we got word that Noah Song was having TJ surgery tomorrow, he'd miss all of 2020 and be rehabbing by late 2021 and he'd still be a Top 20 - maybe Top 10 prospect in the system. Jay Groome was drafted in 2016 and has barely pitched and he's ranked ahead of Song. This isn't ideal, but he's healthy and will probably be on some sort of throwing regimen. It's going to be a lot of work and it might derail him, but I'm not going to go all gloom and doom on him if he does have to fulfill the commitment. For me, it's the whole not having a chance to be shot down at the sox rehab facility
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 19, 2019 1:45:59 GMT -5
For me, it's the whole not having a chance to be shot down at the sox rehab facility He's not going to be locked in a room for two years. He'll be at a military facility, he'll have full access to training equipment, physios, etc. It's definitely not ideal but it's better than a TJ rehab.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 19, 2019 7:27:49 GMT -5
So if we got word that Noah Song was having TJ surgery tomorrow, he'd miss all of 2020 and be rehabbing by late 2021 and he'd still be a Top 20 - maybe Top 10 prospect in the system. Jay Groome was drafted in 2016 and has barely pitched and he's ranked ahead of Song. This isn't ideal, but he's healthy and will probably be on some sort of throwing regimen. It's going to be a lot of work and it might derail him, but I'm not going to go all gloom and doom on him if he does have to fulfill the commitment. Right, it is a little silly how stressed we're getting over the idea of a pitcher missing two whole years. Granted that's longer than most pitchers with some kind of major arm injury are away from the game, but... also he doesn't have a major arm injury. I feel like the absolute most pessimistic you can be is that after two years, he's something like a position player conversion, where you develop him as a two pitch reliever just to move him along as fast as possible. In that scenario you still probably expect him to be a good reliever, which still makes him a great pick.
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Post by caseytins on Dec 19, 2019 7:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 19, 2019 8:43:16 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Dec 19, 2019 12:25:59 GMT -5
That song was p dope
It’s ok though I’m sure we’ll get Noah Song on the mound when this gets resolved in 2052
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2019 14:48:18 GMT -5
Joon Lee is moving his career right along. Writing for ESPN now.
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Post by caseytins on Dec 19, 2019 14:53:14 GMT -5
Joon Lee is moving his career right along. Writing for ESPN now. I kind of hope I understand what that comment implies. Regardless, this is just a complete mess. The guy is 6'4" and is better served on a pitching mound that in the cockpit of a tiny copter, fighting a war that will never be won..
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2019 14:54:34 GMT -5
Joon Lee is moving his career right along. Writing for ESPN now. I kind of hope I understand what that comment implies. Regardless, this is just a complete mess. The guy is 6'4" and is better served on a pitching mound that in the cockpit of a tiny copter, fighting a war that will never be won.. My comment was only about Joon Lee. He started writing for Overthemonster like 3-4 years ago and he's everywhere now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 22, 2019 10:31:37 GMT -5
Moved the nonsense to throwdown. Moving along...
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 26, 2019 20:38:46 GMT -5
I bet we don’t hear anything till the end of January.
Just a hunch.
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Post by caseytins on Jan 17, 2020 16:28:03 GMT -5
I recently wrote a letter to the Department of Defense about this issue. It's obscure to think that the military will benefit greater with Noah flying copters. When the president starts a war with no justification, anything is plausible. Time for a response, boys..
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 17, 2020 17:22:16 GMT -5
I recently wrote a letter to the Department of Defense about this issue. It's obscure to think that the military will benefit greater with Noah flying copters. When the president starts a war with no justification, anything is plausible. Time for a response, boys.. They'll get back to you by the time Song's career is over.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 17, 2020 18:53:32 GMT -5
I recently wrote a letter to the Department of Defense about this issue. It's obscure to think that the military will benefit greater with Noah flying copters. When the president starts a war with no justification, anything is plausible. Time for a response, boys.. They like hearing from obtuse people, that should help move it along. Also, Noah isn't flying anything, he won't be a pilot.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 17, 2020 20:35:36 GMT -5
I predict some kind of form letter barely touching on the current military policy if any reply is sent and without any genuine signature, but stamped type signature. That's *if* a reply is given once again.
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