SoxProspects News
|
|
|
|
Legal
Forum Ground Rules
The views expressed by the members of this Forum do not necessarily reflect the views of SoxProspects, LLC.
© 2003-2024 SoxProspects, LLC
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Home | Search | My Profile | Messages | Members | Help |
Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
6/10-6/13 Red Sox vs. Rangers Series Thread
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 10, 2019 21:28:23 GMT -5
Bullpen honestly has been as expected. Its the offense that's absolutely choked and underperformed. I mean, you had the lead and you couldn't protect it. Mike Minor has been a great pitcher this year across the league. You have to protect low scoring games if you want to win. This is all on Barnes and Brasier.
|
|
|
Post by tizzle on Jun 10, 2019 21:30:40 GMT -5
This is on the offense for the 90000000th time. RISP issues more of a problem then the BP. I would agree that offense was certainly the bigger issue tonight. However, when the closer can't hold a lead when given a clean 9th inning to do so, I'm not playing the "nothing to see here" game just because something else may have performed worse than he did.
|
|
|
Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 10, 2019 21:31:33 GMT -5
Bullpen honestly has been as expected. Its the offense that's absolutely choked and underperformed. I mean, you had the lead and you couldn't protect it. Mike Minor has been a great pitcher this year across the league. You have to protect low scoring games if you want to win. This is all on Barnes and Brasier. Bat at bat by Mookie early in the game - runner on 3rd, only one out - didn't even make contact. All our 2019 blemishes, except poor starting pitching, showed up in this game.
|
|
|
Post by tizzle on Jun 10, 2019 21:31:40 GMT -5
Well this pitcher is yellow. Our hitters should be able to viva la vida and get some clocks off him.
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Jun 10, 2019 21:31:51 GMT -5
Bullpen honestly has been as expected. Its the offense that's absolutely choked and underperformed. I mean, you had the lead and you couldn't protect it. Mike Minor has been a great pitcher this year across the league. You have to protect low scoring games if you want to win. This is all on Barnes and Brasier. The offense literally did jack s*** since the first and let him throw a near complete game.
|
|
|
Post by congusgambler33 on Jun 10, 2019 21:33:16 GMT -5
Well...this is fitting..Chris Martin ex Sox farmhand.
|
|
|
Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 10, 2019 21:33:20 GMT -5
0 for his last 19 for Raffi. Ice, ice cold.
|
|
|
Post by wildcardwillie on Jun 10, 2019 21:33:57 GMT -5
Have a night raf...
|
|
|
Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 10, 2019 21:36:04 GMT -5
I am getting tired of all of this "we are facing great pitchers" bullshit. They aren't facing us undefeated and 0.50 ERAs. Weak excuse - to me, lots of this season's disappointment is on the offense (or whatever we call this currently really pathetic group).
Once again I repeat - we are exactly what our record says we are. Average. Mediocre. Meh.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 10, 2019 21:36:22 GMT -5
I mean, you had the lead and you couldn't protect it. Mike Minor has been a great pitcher this year across the league. You have to protect low scoring games if you want to win. This is all on Barnes and Brasier. The offense literally did jack s*** since the first and let him throw a near complete game. Minor been doing it all year versus the AL. I can give them a pass versus a pitcher having a great season.
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 10, 2019 21:36:29 GMT -5
Martin is the guy the Sox found who was working in a warehouse and pitching indy ball part time.
|
|
|
Post by kevfc89 on Jun 10, 2019 21:37:24 GMT -5
but this team could totally still win 100 games guys!
|
|
|
Post by Guidas on Jun 10, 2019 21:37:41 GMT -5
Sox stumbling and bumbling back to .500
They’re playing like they’re heads are only intermittently in the game. Just fugy to watch.
|
|
|
Post by station13 on Jun 10, 2019 21:37:58 GMT -5
Xander ain't so hot either.
|
|
|
Post by wildcardwillie on Jun 10, 2019 21:38:22 GMT -5
I am getting tired of all of this "we are facing great pitchers" bullshit. They aren't facing us undefeated and 0.50 ERAs. Weak excuse - to me, lots of this season's disappointment is on the offense (or whatever we call this currently really pathetic group) It really just seems like they cant play complete for any kind of stretch, if we hit pitching goes to hell, when we pitch hitters turn up on milk cartons...
|
|
|
Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 10, 2019 21:40:40 GMT -5
1 for 8 RISP. Again we suck with men in scoring position. Repeated theme the entire season so far.
|
|
|
Post by tizzle on Jun 10, 2019 21:40:48 GMT -5
Well deserved loss.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 10, 2019 21:42:34 GMT -5
I am getting tired of all of this "we are facing great pitchers" bullshit. They aren't facing us undefeated and 0.50 ERAs. Weak excuse - to me, lots of this season's disappointment is on the offense (or whatever we call this currently really pathetic group). Once again I repeat - we are exactly what our record says we are. Average. Mediocre. Meh. I don't disagree on the second part, but the JDM was out for a week and they did face Tampa, who has the best ERA in the league. The offense needs to do a lot better, but you didn't lose this game because the offense stunk. You had a lead in the 9th in a predictable low scoring game with 2 really great starters on the mound. The bullpen blew it.
|
|
|
Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 10, 2019 21:43:11 GMT -5
I am getting tired of all of this "we are facing great pitchers" bullshit. They aren't facing us undefeated and 0.50 ERAs. Weak excuse - to me, lots of this season's disappointment is on the offense (or whatever we call this currently really pathetic group). Once again I repeat - we are exactly what our record says we are. Average. Mediocre. Meh. Agreed wholeheartedly. It's not like we wouldn't face Snell, Glassnow, Verlander, et in the playoffs....
|
|
redsox04071318champs
Veteran
Always hoping to make my handle even longer...
Posts: 15,691
Member is Online
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2019 21:44:08 GMT -5
Well, that was another 2019 type of game.
The good news is 1) this team despite how crappy they've played and how unfun they are to watch will play better. AND 2) if they do capture the 2nd Wild Card and get bounced in the WC game, it won't bother me one bit. This 2019 team has done nothing to make me really care about it. They wouldn't deserve to advance any farther anyways.
This team can't get the clutch out when they need it, catch get the clutch hit when they need it (although Brock Holt did come through), and yeah, the bullpen is still short.
I really do feel that the Sox will get their acts together at some point and play better but honestly, if this is the crap we're going to see most of the season, I'd really be ok with them sitting on their asses at home watching the other 10 teams make the playoffs. That's kind of how I felt toward the end of the 2011 season. They just flat out didn't deserve it.
So far this team doesn't either. Maybe that finally won't be the case later on, but as of now, they are what their record says they are.
You can cherry pick and say they're 28-20 since their bad start or you can say they're 7-10 since peaking at 27-23. I think both are useless. Their 6-13 start does count, but even that isn't really representative.
They're 34-33. That stat is quite representative of their mediocrity or as Bill Parcells famously said, "You are what your record says you are". I think they can be better, but it doesn't really matter, because until then they are what they are.
|
|
|
Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 10, 2019 21:45:56 GMT -5
I still wonder if 100 wins is still "doable?"
|
|
|
Post by kevfc89 on Jun 10, 2019 21:48:13 GMT -5
I am getting tired of all of this "we are facing great pitchers" bullshit. They aren't facing us undefeated and 0.50 ERAs. Weak excuse - to me, lots of this season's disappointment is on the offense (or whatever we call this currently really pathetic group). Once again I repeat - we are exactly what our record says we are. Average. Mediocre. Meh. I don't disagree on the second part, but the JDM was out for a week and they did face Tampa, who has the best ERA in the league. The offense needs to do a lot better, but you didn't lose this game because the offense stunk. You had a lead in the 9th in a predictable low scoring game with 2 really great starters on the mound. The bullpen blew it. Judge, Stanton, Andujar, Hicks, and Gregorius have been out most of the year and the Yankees as a team have a higher wRC+ than our mostly healthy team. Yea, we've lost JD for small spurts, but imagine taking something like JD, Mookie and Xander out of this lineup for most of the year. We all know we'd be screwed, but somehow the Yankees have lost something roughly equivalent to that and it's like it doesn't matter. Only conclusion is that our depth is crap, while the Yankees depth is really good. It shouldn't feel like the team is helpless to score without JD in there, yet it often does; not that he's having near his monster year of 2018 anyway.
|
|
|
Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 10, 2019 21:48:44 GMT -5
I still wonder if 100 wins is still "doable?" Not even close. 93 wins is a major stretch at this point.
|
|
|
Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 10, 2019 21:53:18 GMT -5
My current guess - 85-88 wins, miss playoffs. The best indicator of future results is past results - we already have a big sample size. This is what the team is. Sure, anything is possible, but seeing the offense ignite and the bullpen right the ship is at this point a remote occurrence.
|
|
redsox04071318champs
Veteran
Always hoping to make my handle even longer...
Posts: 15,691
Member is Online
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 10, 2019 21:54:05 GMT -5
I am getting tired of all of this "we are facing great pitchers" bullshit. They aren't facing us undefeated and 0.50 ERAs. Weak excuse - to me, lots of this season's disappointment is on the offense (or whatever we call this currently really pathetic group). Once again I repeat - we are exactly what our record says we are. Average. Mediocre. Meh. I don't disagree on the second part, but the JDM was out for a week and they did face Tampa, who has the best ERA in the league. The offense needs to do a lot better, but you didn't lose this game because the offense stunk. You had a lead in the 9th in a predictable low scoring game with 2 really great starters on the mound. The bullpen blew it. Don't disagree, but one thing I noticed, not just tonight - and yeah this is anecdotal - Xander's AB in the 10th was illustrative. He let 2 very hittable pitches go by, got himself into a pitchers' count, and was forced to hit the pitcher's pitch for an easy flyball out. Mookie has done that at times, too. I have to think that would make Alex Cora pull his hair out if he had any hair. He made a point of talking about hitting those meatballs, even if it's on the first pitch. The Sox are passive in that way, and that's something they weren't last year. It's also been mentioned to me that the pen is no worse off than last year with the point being that Barnes is as good as last year's Kimbrel, and Workman and Walden are equal to last year's Barnes and Brasier. Perhaps so, but all I get out of that comment was that the bullpen was short last year, too, except that Kimbrel was great at protecting leads last year - he was extremely tough to hit last year at least until post-season, so those games that could have gone into the loss column stayed in the win column. Basically I think the Red Sox got away with a short pen last year, too, and we know how they covered it in the post-season with their starters and that Barnes and Brasier stayed solid while Kelly suddenly was dominant out of nowhere. In the years where everything just works that kind of thing can work, but when it's a year that's not like the top 1% scenario, you're going to get the mess that is this year. It's not unfixable. The question is how much do you give up to fix it and is anybody out there going to make enough of a difference? I mean, I'm sure Feltman, Houck, and Hernandez are going to be the asks and I'm not really high on giving either of those 3 up, especially for a rental type, but none of those 3 are going to be serious contributors this year, so what do you do? Dalbec is not a guy to deal for a reliever, so how do you make that kind of a deal work? And they do feel the loss of Eovaldi as well as the depth behind the rotation has been a big difference from what Johnson and Velazquez gave them last year.
|
|
|