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Post by ivor on Aug 3, 2019 14:06:26 GMT -5
Well that lowers Leon's already low caughtstealing% Centeno, Hernandez or Nunez. They cannot all be worse The only argument that Leon had last year was that Porcello and Sale were pitching well, he should defo be gone next season
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Post by ianrs on Aug 3, 2019 14:09:13 GMT -5
But guys! We could have traded our top 3 prospects so that Edwin Diaz could get some work in this game and give up a few more runs!
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Post by wildsox on Aug 3, 2019 14:16:36 GMT -5
Bottom 4 of the lineup is 1 for 11
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Post by coachmac on Aug 3, 2019 14:26:27 GMT -5
Bottom 4 of the lineup is 1 for 11 Top 4 have gone 1 for 13.
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Post by station13 on Aug 3, 2019 14:29:49 GMT -5
Sandy Leon should definitely remember his last two hits. Do you?
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Post by station13 on Aug 3, 2019 14:31:39 GMT -5
So yah. Just DL sale for the season and let him get healthy. Ok Doc
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Post by ivor on Aug 3, 2019 14:31:41 GMT -5
Well big up Josh Smith - taking one for the team by pitching these 4 innings whilst also not letting them get to double digits (currently at least)
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 3, 2019 14:32:43 GMT -5
Listening to this game while I am working on two slide sets for an upcoming gardening event makes it really easy to concentrate on the slides, not the game....what an utter mess. (got to be careful with my captions on the slides...could let some profanities and baseball terms sneak in!).
I am kind of ready to just flip the switch on how I watch these games and focus on who is brought up, player development, etc....starting to separate my emotional investment in the outcomes (how sad, I know). Feeling a bit like "put us out of our misery" territory.
Good to hear that Smith is continuing his pitching skills showed at Pawtucket.
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Post by coachmac on Aug 3, 2019 14:34:36 GMT -5
[/quote]Red Sox should replace the entire roster for next season.[/quote]
I know you were intentionally being outrageous but in truth I think there only 2 untouchables from the Sox perspective: Bogaerts and Devers. Mookie only goes if it's clear he isn't resigning here and a team knocks our socks off with an offer.Sale and Price virtually are untradeable because of their terribly expensive contracts.
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Post by manfred on Aug 3, 2019 14:36:56 GMT -5
I am optimistic that Sale has bounce back year next year. Guy has too much pride not to spend the winter figuring it out. There may be something wrong with him, but I don’t think it is major. He was still hitting 96 today. Maybe it’s mechanics, tipping, his head... dunno. But I think he will know by March.
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Post by jdb on Aug 3, 2019 14:40:59 GMT -5
We might as well see if Chavis can handle 2B the rest of the year, Benny CF for a long stretch and Dalbec 1B. Let’s try and get some answers going into the offseason. I wonder what Sale would have gotten if he got the market after the season he’s had.
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Post by patford on Aug 3, 2019 14:41:58 GMT -5
I am optimistic that Sale has bounce back year next year. Guy has too much pride not to spend the winter figuring it out. There may be something wrong with him, but I don’t think it is major. He was still hitting 96 today. Maybe it’s mechanics, tipping, his head... dunno. But I think he will know by March. A trade to the Yankees would cure Sale overnight. Suddenly every borderline pitch that is currently a ball would be a strike. Particularly in the most high leverage instances.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2019 14:42:46 GMT -5
So the difference in this game is the 7 run inning where the Yankees got 5 outs. If they got 3 outs instead of 5, there would have been 0 runs.
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Post by ivor on Aug 3, 2019 14:43:20 GMT -5
I am optimistic that Sale has bounce back year next year. Guy has too much pride not to spend the winter figuring it out. There may be something wrong with him, but I don’t think it is major. He was still hitting 96 today. Maybe it’s mechanics, tipping, his head... dunno. But I think he will know by March. I second this. Through all his starts in May and June he had a 2.78ERA, with 116 strikeouts in 71.1 innings. He has had his stuff for a portion of this season, he's just been wildly inconsistent and gone through some really bad patches.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2019 14:49:50 GMT -5
Instead of trading for pitching, the Yankees just gave Yankee fan Manfred a call. Season saved.
Robot umpires on hold until after Manfred retires or until they can program Yankee bias into the strike zone without people noticing.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 3, 2019 14:49:55 GMT -5
Josh Smith earned his $3000 today. Which breaks down to $55 per pitch.
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Post by manfred on Aug 3, 2019 14:54:16 GMT -5
See you all for Game 2 cheer!
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 3, 2019 14:54:28 GMT -5
Still searching for tiny rays of sunshine...
In three hours, Bobby Dalbec will have hit his first home run in AAA.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 3, 2019 14:56:12 GMT -5
Last 15 men went down. Anyone who disbelieves that there is a mental aspect to baseball is just fooling themselves, just like anyone who focuses on park effects, baseball juice or ump calls simply are not facing reality. Mookie apparently mentioned in a pre-game interview that no moves at the deadline did impact the team. They are professional, they get paid a lot - but they are human - and this team is down, and they are flat, and they simply are not going anywhere this year. It happens - and shit happens. Their recent play is making them look quite fragile - Cora seems to have lost the team (at the moment anyway). We can indeed see this thing going Valentinian (as I predicted quite a few weeks ago as a distinct possibility). Sad. But...we had last year and it was incredible.
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Post by patford on Aug 3, 2019 14:57:21 GMT -5
Instead of trading for pitching, the Yankees just gave Yankee fan Manfred a call. Season saved. Robot umpires on hold until after Manfred retires or until they can program Yankee bias into the strike zone without people noticing. People can laugh at this all they want but the home plate umpire has the power to completely control not only games but careers. I would bet my house that no team in MLB would be more opposed to electronic balls and strikes calls than the Yankees.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2019 14:57:32 GMT -5
I know you were intentionally being outrageous but in truth I think there only 2 untouchables from the Sox perspective: Bogaerts and Devers. Mookie only goes if it's clear he isn't resigning here and a team knocks our socks off with an offer.Sale and Price virtually are untradeable because of their terribly expensive contracts. Sale's contract is a bargain compared to every pitcher with his history. I know it's fun to overreact here, but you're not usually one of those people. Although, it is safe to say that he'll never be as good as he was again with his changeup always being hit for HR even when they're out of the zone. I don't know how anyone can blame him for the LeMahieu HR. It was low and outside, well out of the strike zone and went 351 feet for a 3 run home run with 4 outs in the inning. If he cannot ever throw that pitch again, then that limits him. I'd still bet on a bounce back. I'll also bet on the ball being slightly unjuiced because baseball has turned into an absolute joke.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 3, 2019 14:58:21 GMT -5
I am optimistic that Sale has bounce back year next year. Guy has too much pride not to spend the winter figuring it out. There may be something wrong with him, but I don’t think it is major. He was still hitting 96 today. Maybe it’s mechanics, tipping, his head... dunno. But I think he will know by March. I might be alone here on this, but I still like that signing. Prior to today he had a 4.26 ERA/3.40 FIP/3.05 xFIP. That put him 5th among AL qualifiers in FIP and 2nd in xFIP. He's honestly been really, really good this year, but he's had some bad luck. I'd particularly look for the 19.6% HR/FB rate to regress to the mean. And today was just ludicrous. He gave up 5 singles on five ground balls in play. And then he gave up a home run on a fly ball with a 98mph EV that had a .340 xBA. That's just comically bad luck without even mentioning the fact that he had to get 5 outs in the inning because of some atrocious umpiring. More reason to like the signing: I mentioned this elsewhere but I only just discovered that 7 of the 10 top fWAR pitchers are 31yo+. Same goes for 9 of the top 13. By contrast, NONE of the top 13 position players are over 30. If you're going to give out a big contract to an elite player in their thirties, pitchers seem like better bets. Not a safe bet by any means - but a better bet than you might think, and position players are a worse bet than you might think as well. And so long as the Red Sox aren't able to develop their own young starters, they've got to get pitching from somewhere. Sale and Price are among the better guys to roll the dice with if you ask me. ADD: Some quick math on that bad luck inning - based on statcast, there was a 1.4% chance of all 5 of those singles actually being hits.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2019 15:00:58 GMT -5
Instead of trading for pitching, the Yankees just gave Yankee fan Manfred a call. Season saved. Robot umpires on hold until after Manfred retires or until they can program Yankee bias into the strike zone without people noticing. People can laugh at this all they want but the home plate umpire has the power to completely control not only games but careers. I would bet my house that no team in MLB would be more opposed to electronic balls and strikes calls than the Yankees. 4 at bats had their outcomes changed by the home plate umpire and all went in the Yankees' favor before I turned the game off. JDM was walked, the ump called strike 3 on a 3-2 pitch about a foot out of the zone. Xander was walked on a 3-1 pitch, then he grounded out. Ursela was struck out, then he hit a single. Judge was struck out, then he hit a double and then Cora was thrown out of the game and then Sale was thrown out of the game. There is absolutely nothing that pisses me off more than the umpires blatantly favoring the Yankees over the Red Sox and it happens way too often. No other team makes me like this because it just doesn't happen.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 3, 2019 15:04:20 GMT -5
Lol Chris Sale. Great contract.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 3, 2019 15:10:40 GMT -5
Last 15 men went down. Anyone who disbelieves that there is a mental aspect to baseball is just fooling themselves, just like anyone who focuses on park effects, baseball juice or ump calls simply are not facing reality. Mookie apparently mentioned in a pre-game interview that no moves at the deadline did impact the team. They are professional, they get paid a lot - but they are human - and this team is down, and they are flat, and they simply are not going anywhere this year. It happens - and shit happens. Their recent play is making them look quite fragile - Cora seems to have lost the team (at the moment anyway). We can indeed see this thing going Valentinian (as I predicted quite a few weeks ago as a distinct possibility). Sad. But...we had last year and it was incredible. Look, I find it a little hard to believe this is true, but if it is, what a bunch of babies. Obviously the Yankees haven't had this problem. And if Mookie is really so bummed out they didn't add Sam Dyson at the deadline that he's lost motivation to play hard then I want no part of signing him for $300 million or whatever. But like I say, I find it hard to believe that this is true. I find it hard to believe that the team that came back from that 18-inning loss in last year's World Series lacks the fortitude to overcome only adding one starting pitcher before the trade deadline. What I think is a lot more likely is that fans project their own psychological experience onto the players, and because they feel sad they think the players must too. But I give them a little more credit than that. The players, that is.
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