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Post by jrffam05 on Feb 19, 2013 13:54:07 GMT -5
BA posted their top 100 prospects today. www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2013/02/2013-top-100-prospects-list/8. Xander Bogaerts, ss, BOS 31. Jackie Bradley, of, BOS 40. Matt Barnes, rhp, BOS 49. Allen Webster, rhp, BOS 91. Henry Owens, lhp, BOS Bogaerts been a top 10 prospect on quite a few lists. His stock flew with his AA promotion.
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Post by jioh on Feb 19, 2013 15:01:15 GMT -5
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Post by tjb21 on Feb 19, 2013 15:42:07 GMT -5
4 top 50 prospects is legit, very excited about that.
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 19, 2013 15:44:22 GMT -5
4 top 50 prospects is legit, very excited about that. Plus Rubby, who I think would have been in the top 50 or close to it.
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 19, 2013 15:54:43 GMT -5
My favorite part about this is that the last Red Sox in the top 50 to be a bust was Dernell Stenson way back in 1999.
Daisuke doesn't count and Steve Lomasney had a freak injury.
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Post by jioh on Feb 19, 2013 16:08:30 GMT -5
My favorite part about this is that the last Red Sox in the top 50 to be a bust was Dernell Stenson way back in 1999. Daisuke doesn't count and Steve Lomasney had a freak injury. You didn't see me just mention Lars at #17 in 2009?
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Post by raftsox on Feb 19, 2013 17:01:33 GMT -5
There doesn't seem to be any correlation. I compared HRs per season with the number of 1B prospects on a 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4 year lag: no correlation between 1B prospects and HRs at the majors from 1992-2012. I have a few potential theories about why there would only be 1 highly ranked 1B prospect this year. A. Huge conspiracy amongst BA staffers to de-value power/offense. B. Teams are de-valuing power/offense in favor of toolsier players. C. Teams are keeping fringy prospects at higher defensive value positions longer. D. This is a low-point in the cycle of 1B prospects.
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Post by raftsox on Feb 19, 2013 17:07:19 GMT -5
Looking at the list, I don't have any serious complaints. I think Xander and Sano always get lumped together for some reason; my personal opinion is that Sano's defense and hit tool are fringy, but the power is there. I would probably rank him in the high teens. Olt's value plummets as a 1B. Gibson should be ahead of Meyer based on likelihood of starting long-term, tools-wise it's accurate though.
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Post by hammerhead on Feb 19, 2013 17:09:32 GMT -5
I think more and more that teams are using older players and less toolsy players at 1stbase. Older players because once an elite bat begins to loose a step first base becomes an option. It is also a downturn in the cycle. Plus many minor league 3rd basemen eventually become 1stbaseman, it makes sense to keep a top prospect at a more challenging defensive position to develope the glove. If you are a good enough athelete to make a top 100 list chances are you are athletic enough to play a more challenging position (at least till you outgrow it).
So it's a combination of reasons, very little has to do with steroids.
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Post by burythehammer on Feb 19, 2013 17:51:38 GMT -5
It's probably a lot of things. What you said and also BA has gotten smarter over the years in terms of realizing the offensive bar/replacement level for 1B. And it's cyclical. And there are probably some guys who are 3B/corner OF right now who will end up 1B that rake.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 19, 2013 21:56:52 GMT -5
Fair list. The fact that had Arizona not begun having the world's worst off-season they would have 3 of the top 25 prospects (all of them pitchers, mind you) is kind of funny.
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Post by remember04 on Feb 20, 2013 8:05:37 GMT -5
Fair list. The fact that had Arizona not begun having the world's worst off-season they would have 3 of the top 25 prospects (all of them pitchers, mind you) is kind of funny. Potentially four if the Upton deal to Seattle went down and they got Taijuan Walker in the deal
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Post by jdb on Feb 20, 2013 8:18:00 GMT -5
According to Huegels tweet on the staff feed Manuel said in a BA chat Swihart just missed the cut. I think he and Cechini will be up there next year.
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Post by borisman on Feb 21, 2013 7:18:32 GMT -5
According to Huegels tweet on the staff feed Manuel said in a BA chat Swihart just missed the cut. I think he and Cechini will be up there next year. No prospect on the current list will likely graduate this year so we could be looking at 7 or 8 in the top 100 next year, with Xander at the top
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Post by bjb406 on Feb 23, 2013 5:21:23 GMT -5
Anyone else think Mason Williams is being overrated? I think of him more in the Garin Cecchini range (totally different players obviously, just similar age and talent level). To me Sanchez is the Yankees' best prospect by a wide margin.
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Post by remember04 on Feb 23, 2013 11:45:18 GMT -5
Anyone else think Mason Williams is being overrated? I think of him more in the Garin Cecchini range (totally different players obviously, just similar age and talent level). To me Sanchez is the Yankees' best prospect by a wide margin. Yeah, I agree with that. Yankees prospects as a whole tend to get overrated. I know you hear that a lot but I actually do think its true. The last one to actually pan out was Robinson Cano and there were a lot of people who didn't think he would and IIRC at a time where the Yankees didn't have much in their farm system were very limited in trade partners because just weren't interested in him. Who knew?
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 23, 2013 11:48:32 GMT -5
Anyone else think Mason Williams is being overrated? I think of him more in the Garin Cecchini range (totally different players obviously, just similar age and talent level). To me Sanchez is the Yankees' best prospect by a wide margin. I think Williams is rated about right, honestly, and I like him as a prospect. The obvious comparison is with Bradley. While Bradley's approach makes him the better bet to stick as a regular, Williams' power potential puts his upside a tad higher. He also plays a premium defensive position quite well. Williams is faster than Bradley, but a less polished baserunner, hence the mediocre-to-poor stolen base rates. Williams will be starting high-A four months younger than Bradley was last year. While I don't see him dominating the FSL like JBJ did in the Carolina League, he probably lines up for an early July promotion, putting him in Double-A before his 22nd birthday. Williams' defense limits his downside as well. Again, not as polished as Bradley, but he probably has a career as a 4th outfielder even if things don't develop. The problem with Sanchez is whether he'll stick at catcher, and where he ends up if he doesn't. He has quick hands and release, giving him good throwing numbers, but his receiving skills are poor and I don't think his feet are quick enough to land him at third base. With his arm, I think he might be worth a shot in RF - it's a small one in Yankee stadium, so his lack of speed won't catch up with him as much, and away from there, he'll at least be able to play deeper and try to cut off some extra-base hits. I think his bat would play in right, but I'm not positive it would excel there, hence the trepidation in his ranking. At 1B/DH, his bat is probably below average. If scouts were convinced Sanchez could stick at catcher, even as a below average one, he'd probably be in the Top 20, as he'd star there with the bat. Indicative of that is Keith Law, who thinks he can stick and has Sanchez at #18. Interested to see the BPro Top 101 on Monday to see where the chips fall.
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Post by dewey1972 on Feb 25, 2013 22:38:23 GMT -5
Jim Callis put together a list of all of the players not in BA's top 100 who appeared on individual ballots in his "Ask BA" column today. www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2013/2614782.html Red Sox, with the number of ballots each appeared on: Brentz (4) Cecchini (6) Iglesias (1) Marrero (2) Swihart (all 7) Workman (1) Callis also named 12 players who could move up the list significantly next year, and included Owens and Cecchini in that group.
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