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2020 Vision: Position Players
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 16, 2019 11:10:18 GMT -5
Reigning World Series champions Who would you rather have as the GM/PoBO tomorrow, Billy Beane or Brian Sabean?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 16, 2019 11:23:08 GMT -5
Bottom line, Mookie Betts will likely provide more than $30 million of excess value next year. That has value. Where he's a better fit ( meaning where he increases a teams excess value the most considering who he'd replace) will likely determine the highest bidder of those that have next year playoff goals. Someone remind me who the fourth best outfielder in the Red Sox org is. JBJ, Mookie, Benni, JDM. I've got JBJ, you ?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 11:58:18 GMT -5
Who would you rather have as the GM/PoBO tomorrow, Billy Beane or Brian Sabean? Is neither an option? I apologize as I'm missing part of the point your trying to make. The team's current situation is a little tenuous because of some injuries and, yes, DD did sign those players who are injured. However, some better luck on the health side can be expected and there are some reinforcements projected to be in AAA next year (even if most of those reinforcements aren't elite) so I still think the team is in a good spot overall. They're not the Dodgers (who is) but there's plenty of reason to expect the winning to continue for the foreseeable future. I don't know how anyone can be negative about the Sox overall future with a 27 year old Xander and a 23 year old Devers moving forward next year. These are middle of the order bats signed or controlled for a long long time.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 16, 2019 11:59:38 GMT -5
Someone remind me who the fourth best outfielder in the Red Sox org is. JBJ, Mookie, Benni, JDM. I've got JBJ, you ? If your point is that you can trade Mookie because you can just make JDM the everyday right fielder, I, uh, would be against that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 12:05:38 GMT -5
JBJ, Mookie, Benni, JDM. I've got JBJ, you ? If your point is that you can trade Mookie because you can just make JDM the everyday right fielder, I, uh, would be against that. The Sox are probably getting a major league ready outfielder in a Mookie Betts trade. Wouldn't make sense to do that trade without one available. Think Alex Verdugo, Kyle Tucker, Cristian Pache, Drew Waters. Any of that group.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 16, 2019 12:22:33 GMT -5
If your point is that you can trade Mookie because you can just make JDM the everyday right fielder, I, uh, would be against that. The Sox are probably getting a major league ready outfielder in a Mookie Betts trade. Wouldn't make sense to do that trade without one available. Think Alex Verdugo, Kyle Tucker, Cristian Pache, Drew Waters. Any of that group. FTHW's point was that probably no team has more use for Betts than the Red Sox because no team has a bigger drop-off in value from Betts to whatever guy on the current roster would replace him. If a team already has a major-league ready outfielder to trade for Betts, then by definition Betts has less value for them than he does for the Red Sox. ADD: Or to put it another way - what sort of team would value Betts the most highly? Probably one that figures to be competitive next season, for whom marginal wins are worth the most, and which, in the absence of Betts, would be especially weak at the outfield position. Guess which team fits that description to a tee?
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 16, 2019 12:34:52 GMT -5
The main team that needs one year of Mookie Betts in 2020 is the Red Sox. If he weren't on the team, they'd be looking to trade for him. The Sox are probably getting a major league ready outfielder in a Mookie Betts trade. Wouldn't make sense to do that trade without one available. Think Alex Verdugo, Kyle Tucker, Cristian Pache, Drew Waters. Any of that group. FTHW's point was that probably no team has more use for Betts than the Red Sox because no team has a bigger drop-off in value from Betts to whatever guy on the current roster would replace him. If a team already has a major-league ready outfielder to trade for Betts, then by definition Betts has less value for them than he does for the Red Sox. ADD: Or to put it another way - what sort of team would value Betts the most highly? Probably one that figures to be competitive next season, for whom marginal wins are worth the most, and which, in the absence of Betts, would be especially weak at the outfield position. Guess which team fits that description to a tee? Well, the post I quoted from page 2 spurned another 6 pages, so I don't think it'll help.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 12:41:07 GMT -5
The Sox are probably getting a major league ready outfielder in a Mookie Betts trade. Wouldn't make sense to do that trade without one available. Think Alex Verdugo, Kyle Tucker, Cristian Pache, Drew Waters. Any of that group. FTHW's point was that probably no team has more use for Betts than the Red Sox because no team has a bigger drop-off in value from Betts to whatever guy on the current roster would replace him. If a team already has a major-league ready outfielder to trade for Betts, then by definition Betts has less value for them than he does for the Red Sox. ADD: Or to put it another way - what sort of team would value Betts the most highly? Probably one that figures to be competitive next season, for whom marginal wins are worth the most, and which, in the absence of Betts, would be especially weak at the outfield position. Guess which team fits that description to a tee? I disagree with the notion because of the health of Sale and the questionable rotation. The Sox are in position for a retooling year, not a one year build.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 16, 2019 12:43:13 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can be negative about the Sox overall future with a 27 year old Xander and a 23 year old Devers moving forward next year. These are middle of the order bats signed or controlled for a long long time. I disagree with the notion because of the health of Sale and the questionable rotation. The Sox are in position for a retooling year, not a one year build.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 16, 2019 12:52:00 GMT -5
FTHW's point was that probably no team has more use for Betts than the Red Sox because no team has a bigger drop-off in value from Betts to whatever guy on the current roster would replace him. If a team already has a major-league ready outfielder to trade for Betts, then by definition Betts has less value for them than he does for the Red Sox. ADD: Or to put it another way - what sort of team would value Betts the most highly? Probably one that figures to be competitive next season, for whom marginal wins are worth the most, and which, in the absence of Betts, would be especially weak at the outfield position. Guess which team fits that description to a tee? I disagree with the notion because of the health of Sale and the questionable rotation. The Sox are in position for a retooling year, not a one year build. Good chance I'll regret asking this, but: if next year is a re-tooling year because they'll be counting on Sale, who might be injured, why would you be more optimistic about 2021 and 2022, when they'll be... counting on Sale, who might be injured. But will also be older. As will Price.
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2019 12:59:25 GMT -5
MLB needs to have some kind of franchise exception so teams can keep longtime stars without tax hit. Why force teams to ruin themselves by choosing between fan favorites and what amountsto cap space. I love having guys stick with one team for their career.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:03:46 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can be negative about the Sox overall future with a 27 year old Xander and a 23 year old Devers moving forward next year. These are middle of the order bats signed or controlled for a long long time. I disagree with the notion because of the health of Sale and the questionable rotation. The Sox are in position for a retooling year, not a one year build. Yeah, the Sox have a great LONG TERM future. Next year is in doubt though.
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2019 13:05:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the Sox have a great LONG TERM future. Next year is in doubt though. ‘Tis my motto! “Next year is in doubt!” Gather ye rosebuds, carpe diem,and always trade prospects of tomorrow for stars of today! Huzzah!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:06:36 GMT -5
I disagree with the notion because of the health of Sale and the questionable rotation. The Sox are in position for a retooling year, not a one year build. Good chance I'll regret asking this, but: if next year is a re-tooling year because they'll be counting on Sale, who might be injured, why would you be more optimistic about 2021 and 2022, when they'll be... counting on Sale, who might be injured. But will also be older. As will Price. If Sale needs Tommy John surgery, he'll be projected to be returning in 2021 or 2022. Plus, Mata should be ready by 2021, who could displace a guy like Price in the rotation or add to it.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 16, 2019 13:21:06 GMT -5
Good chance I'll regret asking this, but: if next year is a re-tooling year because they'll be counting on Sale, who might be injured, why would you be more optimistic about 2021 and 2022, when they'll be... counting on Sale, who might be injured. But will also be older. As will Price. If Sale needs Tommy John surgery, he'll be projected to be returning in 2021 or 2022. Plus, Mata should be ready by 2021, who could displace a guy like Price in the rotation or add to it. So if Sale doesn't need TJS, all of this goes out the window or what?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:24:14 GMT -5
If Sale needs Tommy John surgery, he'll be projected to be returning in 2021 or 2022. Plus, Mata should be ready by 2021, who could displace a guy like Price in the rotation or add to it. So if Sale doesn't need TJS, all of this goes out the window or what? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it not happening. As in, I would trade Mookie Betts because of it. I'm sure ownership is going to ask about the Mookie Betts trade scenarios when hiring a new GM.
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2019 13:29:38 GMT -5
So if Sale doesn't need TJS, all of this goes out the window or what? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it not happening. As in, I would trade Mookie Betts because of it. I'm sure ownership is going to ask about the Mookie Betts trade scenarios when hiring a new GM. Trading their best player because of a possibility that the leading doctor in the field says is unnecessary right now seems kind of dramatic.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 16, 2019 13:33:32 GMT -5
YOLO, better give up now.
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2019 13:34:40 GMT -5
Let’s turn it around: Sale’s out. Maybe JDM opts out. The Sox trade Betts for bunch of prospects. Don’t they suck for a few years?
Also... what if they got the package we sent for both Pom and Kimbrel? A bunch of upside guys, but it doesn’t appear to me te gain will be that much.
You better get the Archer package.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 16, 2019 13:34:52 GMT -5
So if Sale doesn't need TJS, all of this goes out the window or what? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it not happening. As in, I would trade Mookie Betts because of it. I'm sure ownership is going to ask about the Mookie Betts trade scenarios when hiring a new GM. Well we should know before the end of the season. I don't get why you're so absolutely sure he's going to need it and basing all of your opinions on him needing it. I would never be so adamant about something that is a complete guess before we actually hear the news.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:35:30 GMT -5
Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it not happening. As in, I would trade Mookie Betts because of it. I'm sure ownership is going to ask about the Mookie Betts trade scenarios when hiring a new GM. Trading their best player because of a possibility that the leading doctor in the field says is unnecessary right now seems kind of dramatic. Or forward thinking.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:36:34 GMT -5
YOLO, better give up now. Better to not risk everything (including the long term health of the organization) on one year, you mean?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:37:29 GMT -5
Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it not happening. As in, I would trade Mookie Betts because of it. I'm sure ownership is going to ask about the Mookie Betts trade scenarios when hiring a new GM. Well we should know before the end of the season. I don't get why you're so absolutely sure he's going to need it and basing all of your opinions on him needing it. I would never be so adamant about something that is a complete guess before we actually hear the news. They won't know until spring training.
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Post by manfred on Sept 16, 2019 13:40:11 GMT -5
YOLO, better give up now. Better to not risk everything (including the long term health of the organization) on one year, you mean? Could go wild and try to sign not quite 27 year old 2nd best player in baseball?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 16, 2019 13:42:39 GMT -5
Better to not risk everything (including the long term health of the organization) on one year, you mean? Could go wild and try to sign not quite 27 year old 2nd best player in baseball? Yeah, doubt that is happening. Mookie Betts wants full value. He's going to get it in free agency or someplace else before then. I seriously doubt the Sox offer full value of a position player like Betts. They did it for a pitcher (Price), but it's completely different. Pitchers aren't worth as much as everyday players.
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