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9/3-9/5 Red Sox vs. Twins Series Thread
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 5, 2019 21:16:34 GMT -5
Well that should wrap up this season, between the A's winning, this game, and the Price injury. You're now watching for your own torture, pleasure, or whatever. This season is officially over. Tough one Pedro. But I will be watching for all those reasons and more. Till the bitter end. It is gonna be a damn long off season.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 5, 2019 21:17:02 GMT -5
Did Devers run through a sign, or did the third base coach make a horrendous decision? I don't think you can blame the decision to send him. Look at it this way: if you hold him you're depending on Vazquez to get a hit, which only has a 27% chance of happening. Whereas I think Devers scores on that play on maybe 40-50% of throws to the plate. That was just a really good throw.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 5, 2019 21:17:59 GMT -5
First time we've lost giving up only 2 hits since 1996.
9 walks.
Our offense vanishes again at home.
Great starting pitching this time not rewarded with enough runs.
Yes, very 2019, and sad. And I suspect we all here will keep watching...even when the fat lady sings!
In a huge game, we get an 0 for 18 from anyone not named Betts, Martinez or Bogaerts.
I guess Cora has gone from poorly performing Nunez, to Owings, to Gorkys H. He seems to have a weak spot for line up black holes this year.
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Post by caseytins on Sept 5, 2019 21:25:22 GMT -5
Did Devers run through a sign, or did the third base coach make a horrendous decision? I don't think you can blame the decision to send him. Look at it this way: if you hold him you're depending on Vazquez to get a hit, which only has a 27% chance of happening. Whereas I think Devers scores on that play on maybe 40-50% of throws to the plate. That was just a really good throw. It was an amazing throw. It's tough to second guess things. It's been a bitter season. Hopefully, Severino's elbow will continue to be silly puddy and Brett Gardner will get busted for PEDs. Seriously, only Cervelli has a larger head with more vains penetrating the surface. Brett, I can only imagine how small your balls are. I mean, I can only imagine how small your testicles are. Your mother told me about it last night.
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Post by atzar on Sept 5, 2019 21:32:06 GMT -5
Did Devers run through a sign, or did the third base coach make a horrendous decision? I don't think you can blame the decision to send him. Look at it this way: if you hold him you're depending on Vazquez to get a hit, which only has a 27% chance of happening. Whereas I think Devers scores on that play on maybe 40-50% of throws to the plate. That was just a really good throw. I just don’t think we were scoring on that play unless the LF botches it. Hit too hard. Devers had the pedal to the floor and was still out by 10 feet. Admittedly hindsight is 20/20, but I would have rather taken my chances with CVaz. JMO.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 5, 2019 21:36:49 GMT -5
I don't think you can blame the decision to send him. Look at it this way: if you hold him you're depending on Vazquez to get a hit, which only has a 27% chance of happening. Whereas I think Devers scores on that play on maybe 40-50% of throws to the plate. That was just a really good throw. It was an amazing throw. It's tough to second guess things. It's been a bitter season. Hopefully, Severino's elbow will continue to be silly puddy and Brett Gardner will get busted for PEDs. Seriously, only Cervelli has a larger head with more vains penetrating the surface. Brett, I can only imagine how small your balls are. I mean, I can only imagine how small your testicles are. Your mother told me about it last night. that is some seriously good anti MFY stuff. Thanks for the laughs.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 5, 2019 21:44:45 GMT -5
That's what happens when the Red Sox play a team that's not tanking. MFY get to bury the Red Sox for good now.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 5, 2019 21:58:07 GMT -5
That's what happens when the Red Sox play a team that's not tanking. MFY get to bury the Red Sox for good now. Now we will soon see how it feels to play meaningless games. Since 2000, we've been in the playoffs 10 times, and counting this year, will be sitting them out 10 times. This year's miss will be the first since 2015 - that year we were 78-84 - and it was the year of Napoli's big decline, the year of Pablo and Hanley, ...Wade Miley, bad Porcello, Joe Kelly as an ineffective starter, and so on. It was a John Farrell team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 5, 2019 22:05:53 GMT -5
That's what happens when the Red Sox play a team that's not tanking. MFY get to bury the Red Sox for good now. Honestly, they were dead by the time the Yankees finished sweeping them. That 8 game losing streak absolutely killed them. It put them from a tie for the last wild card spot to about 5 or 6 games out. The Red Sox have since then beat up on lousy teams to almost get back to their high water mark of 12 games above .500 but none of the other three teams have tanked and the Sox needed two of them to tank - and one of those teams swept them at home during that 8 game losing streak. If they were really going to make the playoffs they wouldn't have lost 8 games in a row during the most critical stretch of the season and they wouldn't keep losing games like this one and they'd actually play closer to .500 against the good teams and as you pointed out earlier in the season, they've been awful against the iron of the league. And they wouldn't suck so badly at home. They've sent out plenty of signals that it's simply not their year. I figured that their starting pitching would regress to the mean of being decent after having been awful to start the season, and with the talent they had they'd find their way to 93 wins, but it worsened and injuries hit....and they still can't scratch out those necessary runs when they really, really need them. And I have to say I've been impressed with how Cleveland, Oakland, and TB have really hung in there. Cleveland with their starting pitching injuries and outfield production issues, Oakland with no starting pitching and TB losing their two best starters and their stapled together offense. So for me, the sting of every loss isn't really there. I kind of laugh them off now, and the wins are nice - hope E-Rod wins 20 games even if it really doesn't mean a helluva lot, and I hope the Sox have four 30 HR guys when the year is done...but other than that I'm kind of ready for football season. The Sox are playing out the string and honestly they have been playing out the string since they left NY. At this point I'll guess the Sox wind up with 88 or 89 wins and fall about 4 games short of the second Wild Card spot and about 3 games behind the team that just misses.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 22:12:18 GMT -5
Well that should wrap up this season, between the A's winning, this game, and the Price injury. You're now watching for your own torture, pleasure, or whatever. This season is officially over. I just watched 4 Days in October again. Nope, not over. 4 days in October was in 2004. This one is over.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 22:14:13 GMT -5
Well that should wrap up this season, between the A's winning, this game, and the Price injury. You're now watching for your own torture, pleasure, or whatever. This season is officially over. Tough one Pedro. But I will be watching for all those reasons and more. Till the bitter end. It is gonna be a damn long off season. I'll be listening on non foot ball days. Baseball won't be my first priority in 2019 no more, for sure.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 5, 2019 22:20:18 GMT -5
I just watched 4 Days in October again. Nope, not over. 4 days in October was in 2004. This one is over. I actually find it amazing the Red Sox were the only team in history to pull off the feat. It's not like a 4 game win streak is unfathomable.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 5, 2019 22:22:47 GMT -5
Tough one Pedro. But I will be watching for all those reasons and more. Till the bitter end. It is gonna be a damn long off season. I'll be listening on non foot ball days. Baseball won't be my first priority in 2019 no more, for sure. I like the Patriots' chances better than the Red Sox' chances. How's that? I feel like I've reached the acceptance stage of the 2019 Red Sox season grieving period. I spent my anger during that 8 game losing streak and now I'm ready to move on - to football season and what I anticipate will be a very interesting offseason for the Red Sox - certainly more interesting than the actual games of the nowhere 2019 season. I just hope the MFYs don't win the Series. That's all I have left for this baseball season - because that would truly piss me off.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 5, 2019 22:24:39 GMT -5
4 days in October was in 2004. This one is over. I actually find it amazing the Red Sox were the only team in history to pull off the feat. It's not like a 4 game win streak is unfathomable. That was 86 years of negative history going the other way. They were so owed something good and the Yankees were so owed something bad. Really that four game sequence starting in the last of the 9th in Game 4 was a freaking miracle, something you cannot expect even once, let alone twice in a lifetime. I'm just thankful that it really happened and wasn't a figment of my imagination. And if it was - then we all hallucinated the same thing!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 22:29:11 GMT -5
I'll be listening on non foot ball days. Baseball won't be my first priority in 2019 no more, for sure. I like the Patriots' chances better than the Red Sox' chances. How's that? I feel like I've reached the acceptance stage of the 2019 Red Sox season grieving period. I spent my anger during that 8 game losing streak and now I'm ready to move on - to football season and what I anticipate will be a very interesting offseason for the Red Sox - certainly more interesting than the actual games of the nowhere 2019 season. I just hope the MFYs don't win the Series. That's all I have left for this baseball season - because that would truly piss me off. Yeah that last Porcello start is where I truly lost it myself. One of the only healthy starters left, and then he gives you that. My behavior was probably a little out of character, but I don't regret it or don't regret saying he's a bum. Yeah, the only guarentee we get out of life is Tom Brady until he's gone. I'll be watching a lot of Celtics too, depressingly in October knowing that baseball doesn't matter. I'll be scoreboard watching the MFY's, hoping this doesn't become a year where you stink enough to not get a pick in the 20's for the Sox, you don't get to the playoffs, and the MFY's win. Life will suck until next October, if that's the case. Listening to obnoxious MFY everywhere on Twitter. My god, nothing will be worse. Add- Next off-season will be all about the Mookie watch imo.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 22:29:51 GMT -5
4 days in October was in 2004. This one is over. I actually find it amazing the Red Sox were the only team in history to pull off the feat. It's not like a 4 game win streak is unfathomable. Anything is possible when Ortiz and Pedro, my 2 heroes, are on the same team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 5, 2019 22:43:14 GMT -5
I like the Patriots' chances better than the Red Sox' chances. How's that? I feel like I've reached the acceptance stage of the 2019 Red Sox season grieving period. I spent my anger during that 8 game losing streak and now I'm ready to move on - to football season and what I anticipate will be a very interesting offseason for the Red Sox - certainly more interesting than the actual games of the nowhere 2019 season. I just hope the MFYs don't win the Series. That's all I have left for this baseball season - because that would truly piss me off. Yeah that last Porcello start is where I truly lost it myself. One of the only healthy starters left, and then he gives you that. My behavior was probably a little out of character, but I don't regret it or don't regret saying he's a bum. Yeah, the only guarentee we get out of life is Tom Brady until he's gone. I'll be watching a lot of Celtics too, depressingly in October knowing that baseball doesn't matter. I'll be scoreboard watching the MFY's, hoping this doesn't become a year where you stink enough to not get a pick in the 20's for the Sox, you don't get to the playoffs, and the MFY's win. Life will suck until next October, if that's the case. Listening to obnoxious MFY everywhere on Twitter. My god, nothing will be worse. Add- Next off-season will be all about the Mookie watch imo. Nothing wrong with a little emotion but I think calling Porcello a bum is misplaced to put it kindly. To say he has been a disappointment or pitched like $h*t is more accurate and fair. Porcello is a guy who won a Cy Young award in 2016, actually won the most games on the 2018 Red Sox (although his innings were certainly more crucial than the wins), and stabilized Game 1 of the ALDS against the Yankees and won the clinching game of the ALDS game that eliminated the Yankees. Only Derek Lowe and Rick Porcello can say they got the W in a game that sent the Yankees home for the winter. And he pitched a crucial inning of relief in Game 2 of the ALCS in the Sox first victory of the ALCS. He had nothing left for his start in Game 4 and he pitched well albeit briefly in Game 3 of the World Series. And I know that I felt oddly comfortable when he came into Game 1 of the 2018 ALDS because every reliever was making me extremely nervous and I was glad to see him get the ball in that first necessary win against Houston. I point these out because that is not what a "bum" does. Porcello was one of four starters who pitched too much down the stretch in 2018 and not enough in spring training in 2019 and they all disappointed and yup, Porcello, can't sugarcoat it - was horrendous. But a bum? No way. Remember him fondly. You'll see him when the 2018 Red Sox have their ten year reunion in 2028.
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Post by manfred on Sept 5, 2019 23:12:04 GMT -5
Not to be positive, but Eovaldi threw well. Good to have him next year, if his elbow can finally last 162 games.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 5, 2019 23:49:09 GMT -5
Not to be positive, but Eovaldi threw well. Good to have him next year, if his elbow can finally last 162 games. He's probably just like Eduardo Rodriguez. He might give you a full year next year, but nothing is guaranteed with either of them year to year durability wise.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 6, 2019 0:29:36 GMT -5
I feel really good about ERod, like it has finally happened for him, only took a few extra years. Injuries were a dislocated kneecap, then it popped out the next year. Had minor surgery to fix that and zero knee issues the last two years. Last year he sprained his ankle and could have made more starts if we needed him. I don't yet see an Eovaldi, even in his down years with injuries he gives you 20-25 starts and like 130 innings.
It would be a joy to see him win 20 games.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 6, 2019 7:24:34 GMT -5
I feel really good about ERod, like it has finally happened for him, only took a few extra years. Injuries were a dislocated kneecap, then it popped out the next year. Had minor surgery to fix that and zero knee issues the last two years. Last year he sprained his ankle and could have made more starts if we needed him. I don't yet see an Eovaldi, even in his down years with injuries he gives you 20-25 starts and like 130 innings. It would be a joy to see him win 20 games. It appears that E-Rod had a velocity uptick in his last several starts. I've noticed in the past that if he is 91-93, he is more tentative. Adding in his less than perfect command issues, that contributed IMO to extreme pitch counts. When he is 94-96, command issues abate.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 6, 2019 8:04:22 GMT -5
My morning thoughts on 2019
Offense/Defense/baserunning
the good - CVaz, Brock, Raffi, Xander, Mookie, JDM, Chavis the meh - Moreland, JBJ, Benny the bad - clutch hitting, Nunez, Owings, Leon, Cora's decision making, baserunning blunders
pitching
the good - ERod, Workman, Josh Taylor, Darwinzon, Walden (for the most part) - overall, the pen (pleasant surprise, considering how overworked) meh - Price, Sale, Eovaldi (more of an incomplete), Barnes, Lakins, Weber, Hembree the bad - Porcello, Johnson, Brasier, Josh Smith, Cashner, Velazquez, Sharawyn, Brewer - overall, the starters, some of Cora's decision making
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 6, 2019 8:16:16 GMT -5
CVaz splits.
1st half:
.299/.332/.520/.852 sOPS+ 124
2nd half:
.237/.279/.393/.672 sOPS+ 74
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 6, 2019 8:28:33 GMT -5
Let's get it together, team!!
Playoff baseball tonight & a big series with Stankees!
Nobody said u could kwit when we have a 17-man bullpen ....
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 6, 2019 9:39:31 GMT -5
CVaz splits. 1st half: .299/.332/.520/.852 sOPS+ 124 2nd half: .237/.279/.393/.672 sOPS+ 74 Catching wears everyone down.
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