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Baseball Prospectus Top 101
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Post by Kevin Pereira on Feb 25, 2013 9:11:57 GMT -5
Baseball Prospectus posted their Top 101 prospects today, and the Red Sox are well represented with four prospects (three in the Top 40). www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1969412. Xander Bogaerts 27. Jackie Bradley 38. Matt Barnes 69. Allen Webster Last season, the Red Sox also had four guys in BP's Top 101. They were Bogaerts (32), Brandon Jacobs (46), Will Middlebrooks (55), and Ryan Lavarnway (99). |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 25, 2013 9:54:55 GMT -5
I'd note, though, that BP has undergone a significant change since last year, in that last year it was just KG and this year it's Parks plus a host of others including, of course, our own Chris Mellen.
Point being, if this year's crew did last year's list, there's no way Jacobs or Lavarnway would've been on there.
Anyway, as for this list, looks spot on Sox-wise.
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Post by tjb21 on Feb 25, 2013 10:17:22 GMT -5
87. Zach Lee, RHP, Dodgers
Seems like we got the right guy in the trade.
Webster's stock going up, Lee's stock coming down a bit.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 25, 2013 10:58:26 GMT -5
I just can't get behind Cole over Bundy., but good on Parks and Co. for sticking their neck out there like that. There can be too much groupthink on prospects, so it's always interesting to see someone who goes against the grain.
I really like Gausman so it's good to see him getting some love.
Cardinals with seven players in the Top 100, and that only includes one (Wacha) of their five picks from last years top 60. Good chance at least a couple of those guys assert themselves and push their way on. Just a totally stacked system.
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Post by Kevin Pereira on Feb 25, 2013 11:02:18 GMT -5
I'd note, though, that BP has undergone a significant change since last year, in that last year it was just KG and this year it's Parks plus a host of others including, of course, our own Chris Mellen. Point being, if this year's crew did last year's list, there's no way Jacobs or Lavarnway would've been on there. Anyway, as for this list, looks spot on Sox-wise. Good point, Chris. KG was high on Jacobs, ranking him second in the system last year ahead of Middlebrooks. |
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Post by jrffam05 on Feb 25, 2013 17:20:43 GMT -5
OK, so I have to go off of others scouting reports and I don't consider myself anything close to an expert, but is it surprising to anyone else that Profar is unanimous #1 across all lists? It is not that he is ranked #1 on one list, but that he is hands down #1 on every list .I am not trying to knock him at all, he is a 20 year old who is probably MLB ready and should have a great career. I I think his stats will be similar to teammate Andrus, with a little more power. Good defense, good baserunning, good hit at a premium position, but I don't think he will be close to having MVP type stats. Bundy, Cole, Wheeler could be Cy young winners and Myers and Taveras could put up MVP seasons. I realize that Profars value is in his youth and high floor, I just don't think he stands out as unanimous like Harper did.
Maybe I am crazy and just going off on a rant, I am just a little surprised. If I had to pick 1 prospect for a brand new franchise I am not convinced it would be Profar.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 25, 2013 17:27:34 GMT -5
OK, so I have to go off of others scouting reports and I don't consider myself anything close to an expert, but is it surprising to anyone else that Profar is unanimous #1 across all lists? It is not that he is ranked #1 on one list, but that he is hands down #1 on every list .I am not trying to knock him at all, he is a 20 year old who is probably MLB ready and should have a great career. I I think his stats will be similar to teammate Andrus, with a little more power. Good defense, good baserunning, good hit at a premium position, but I don't think he will be close to having MVP type stats. Bundy, Cole, Wheeler could be Cy young winners and Myers and Taveras could put up MVP seasons. I realize that Profars value is in his youth and high floor, I just don't think he stands out as unanimous like Harper did. Maybe I am crazy and just going off on a rant, I am just a little surprised. If I had to pick 1 prospect for a brand new franchise I am not convinced it would be Profar. So are you criticizing Profar or the MVP voters? Because a good defensive shortstop who can hit for average and power absolutely is a MVP candidate in today's game. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 25, 2013 17:29:58 GMT -5
Above-Avg defense at SS with above avg offense is a very valuable thing especially if you look at the state of the position league wide. Yes he probably won't be playing SS for the Rangers but thats because they have probably the best or one of the best SS in the game not because he can't handle the position. I also think some of his tools are being sold short it wouldn't surprise me if he develops more power as he grows and hits 20+ HR with good on-base ability and above-avg defense at SS depending on how you look at things thats MVP-caliber.
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Post by remember04 on Feb 25, 2013 17:58:34 GMT -5
Maybe I am crazy and just going off on a rant, I am just a little surprised. If I had to pick 1 prospect for a brand new franchise I am not convinced it would be Profar. If that's your criteria then I pick Bundy As you stated personally I think its the low floor and closeness to MLB. He's more or less there now and the others except for Myers who'll probably be there this year may never make it. |
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Post by jrffam05 on Feb 25, 2013 18:23:49 GMT -5
From what I read I didn't think he was considered a 20 hr guy, but I could be mistaken.
I said I could see that he hits #1 on lists, just not how he is hands down #1. Its not a knock against profit, I just think its a knock against bundy, cole, Myers, taveras that they are not in the discussion. To me he just doesn't have that separation above other prospects. If I had to pick one Prospect it would be between taveras and bundy.
I just made up the andrus comp, is there a better one of active players?
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 25, 2013 21:07:22 GMT -5
He hit 14 homers in the Texas League as a 19-year old, so it's pretty easy to project him as 20+ as he fills out. I'm not sure there's a really great comparison among active players. There's a lot of Barry Larkin in him, though I don't know that he's quite as fast as Larkin was.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 25, 2013 21:10:43 GMT -5
Above-Avg defense at SS with above avg offense is a very valuable thing especially if you look at the state of the position league wide. Yes he probably won't be playing SS for the Rangers but thats because they have probably the best or one of the best SS in the game not because he can't handle the position. I also think some of his tools are being sold short it wouldn't surprise me if he develops more power as he grows and hits 20+ HR with good on-base ability and above-avg defense at SS depending on how you look at things thats MVP-caliber.Hey, if 20 home runs and good OPB as a plus defensive second baseman can net you an MVP... |
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Post by Kevin Pereira on Feb 25, 2013 21:27:56 GMT -5
Above-Avg defense at SS with above avg offense is a very valuable thing especially if you look at the state of the position league wide. Yes he probably won't be playing SS for the Rangers but thats because they have probably the best or one of the best SS in the game not because he can't handle the position. I also think some of his tools are being sold short it wouldn't surprise me if he develops more power as he grows and hits 20+ HR with good on-base ability and above-avg defense at SS depending on how you look at things thats MVP-caliber.Hey, if 20 home runs and good OPB as a plus defensive second baseman can net you an MVP... |
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Post by bentossaurus on Feb 25, 2013 21:33:43 GMT -5
I just made up the andrus comp, is there a better one of active players? Jimmy Rollins before things went south? |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 25, 2013 21:48:30 GMT -5
Has enough time passed for everyone to admit Mauer was robbed? Either way, up-the-middle players with a broad base of offensive skills are f'n gold. |
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Post by raftsox on Feb 26, 2013 8:01:58 GMT -5
OK, so I have to go off of others scouting reports and I don't consider myself anything close to an expert, but is it surprising to anyone else that Profar is unanimous #1 across all lists? It is not that he is ranked #1 on one list, but that he is hands down #1 on every list .I am not trying to knock him at all, he is a 20 year old who is probably MLB ready and should have a great career. I I think his stats will be similar to teammate Andrus, with a little more power. Good defense, good baserunning, good hit at a premium position, but I don't think he will be close to having MVP type stats. Bundy, Cole, Wheeler could be Cy young winners and Myers and Taveras could put up MVP seasons. I realize that Profars value is in his youth and high floor, I just don't think he stands out as unanimous like Harper did. Maybe I am crazy and just going off on a rant, I am just a little surprised. If I had to pick 1 prospect for a brand new franchise I am not convinced it would be Profar. BA's grades on each tool for the top 3, non-pitchers. 1 Jurickson Profar ss/2b, Rangers Age: 20. ETA: 2013. Bat: 70. Power: 60. Speed: 55. Defense: 65. Arm: 60. 3 Oscar Taveras of, Cardinals Age: 20. ETA: 2013. Bat: 75. Power: 60. Speed: 50. Defense: 55. Arm: 55. 4 Wil Myers of/3b, Rays Age: 22. ETA: 2013. Bat: 60. Power: 70. Speed: 45. Defense: 55. Arm: 60. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 26, 2013 17:45:55 GMT -5
1 Jurickson Profar ss/2b, Rangers Age: 20. ETA: 2013. Bat: 70. Power: 60. Speed: 55. Defense: 65. Arm: 60. I can't really describe how I feel about these grades without delving into sexual imagery far beyond the boundaries of good taste. |
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