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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 13, 2020 18:50:14 GMT -5
Based on what we're hearing from this report, do you even want him back? It worked with Belichick. Not even remotely close no? Filming from a location that wasn't allowed vs. using cameras and sending signals in game to help your team win if that's true.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 18:56:24 GMT -5
It worked with Belichick. Not even remotely close no? Filming from a location that wasn't allowed vs. using cameras and sending signals in game to help your team win if that's true. Yeah, it would be similar to a team stealing opposing teams' play calls and letting their team on the field know. The video room thing to crack the often-changed multiple sign decoding is as serious as deflategate IMO because it's so minor compared to a CF camera being used to relay real-time pitch calls.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 13, 2020 19:26:58 GMT -5
As an aside MLB banned Pete Rose for life, for gambling, now a gambling organization is a leading sponsor of MLB TV. Ginning up controversy is the name of THIS game. Pete Rose was banned for betting on his team as a manager - big difference. Also, MLB didn't want to answer questions about the 'alleged' parade of underage girls in the Reds clubhouse.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 13, 2020 20:05:01 GMT -5
Not even remotely close no? Filming from a location that wasn't allowed vs. using cameras and sending signals in game to help your team win if that's true. I was being facetious, but keep in mind we still don't know what Cora actually did.
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 13, 2020 20:06:59 GMT -5
Not even remotely close no? Filming from a location that wasn't allowed vs. using cameras and sending signals in game to help your team win if that's true. I was being facetious, but keep in mind we still don't know what Cora actually did. Yes we do. We just don't know what ELSE he did.
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Post by orion09 on Jan 14, 2020 7:48:21 GMT -5
On the positive side, maybe the firing of pretty much the whole Astros braintrust will weaken the Astros long enough to give us what we all want: Mike Trout Playoff Baseball.
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Post by dmaineah on Jan 14, 2020 8:05:48 GMT -5
On the positive side, maybe the firing of pretty much the whole Astros braintrust will weaken the Astros long enough to give us what we all want: Mike Trout Playoff Baseball. That might take the firing of Billy Eppler
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Post by kevfc89 on Jan 14, 2020 9:21:42 GMT -5
On the positive side, maybe the firing of pretty much the whole Astros braintrust will weaken the Astros long enough to give us what we all want: Mike Trout Playoff Baseball. unfortunately, the weakening of them and now likely us also opens the window to increased mfy world series opportunities
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 14, 2020 9:31:39 GMT -5
I've been thinking this through and there may be a connection to a few of the threads on the site. MLB has now developed a state of the art system for extracting defensive metrics from video feeds. This is just a guess but by far the best way to do that, given the volume of material, is by machine learning using a layered neural network - one facet of artificial intelligence.
That's probably what they did: train the network to recognize movement, range, route to the ball, and more. If that's the case, the commissioner's office is savvy about the tremendous power of the technique.
Thr draconian penalties handed out to the Astros may be a reflection of the fear or even the reality of that technology being introduced into the clubhouse. They likely have a clear understanding of the paradigm changing potential of AI if I'm on the right track.
I started wondering about this possibility after reading Eric's post about Statcast and how long it had taken to develop the defensive player scale. The timeline fits given the enormous amount of computing power and the volume of data needed to do such a thing. Luhnow is no dummy, and he may very well have been on the same trail.
Welcome to the future.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 14, 2020 9:33:49 GMT -5
Possibly counter-intuitive take, but this might be a really good situation for Espada. If he'd been hired by another team (which he almost certainly should have, but not getting into that here), there'd be a lot of "WHAT DID HE KNOW" going around him. But with the Astros, he's no more tainted than the rest of the team, he's inheriting a much better team than a usual first-year manager, and it's kind of a no-lose situation. Like, if the Astros collapsed everyone would blame the suspensions, but if they hold things together then Espada's going to get a ton of credit for it. Like, for all the people going all doom and gloom... they're still very possibly baseball's most talented team: www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=21
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Post by shagworthy on Jan 14, 2020 16:38:23 GMT -5
A brief respite from the impending doomsday clock hitting Midnight for Cora and the Red Sox...
Does anyone else feel that Josh Donaldson at this point is costing himself money by not accepting the biggest offer he has right now?
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Post by KB24 on Jan 14, 2020 19:57:22 GMT -5
A brief respite from the impending doomsday clock hitting Midnight for Cora and the Red Sox... Does anyone else feel that Josh Donaldson at this point is costing himself money by not accepting the biggest offer he has right now? Donaldson to Twins on a 4 year deal. $92M guaranteed with a fifth year option that can get it to $100M. Decent pull for a guy who's 34.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 14, 2020 20:23:23 GMT -5
A brief respite from the impending doomsday clock hitting Midnight for Cora and the Red Sox... Does anyone else feel that Josh Donaldson at this point is costing himself money by not accepting the biggest offer he has right now? Apparently not. :-) Can you do me a quick favor and tell me I will never win the lottery?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 16, 2020 13:07:53 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 16, 2020 13:38:35 GMT -5
The next shoe to drop. There will be more.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 16, 2020 14:21:20 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 16, 2020 14:24:34 GMT -5
Baseball is canceled.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 16, 2020 14:35:33 GMT -5
Came here to post this. Wow
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 16, 2020 14:37:42 GMT -5
Was fun while it lasted.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 16, 2020 14:42:54 GMT -5
Whether the person is related to Beltrán or not (seems to be not), there are multiple people reporting the same information. Trevor Bauer tweeted out that he had been told the same thing about the buzzers.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2020 14:43:09 GMT -5
Whether the person is related to Beltrán or not (seems to be not), there are multiple people reporting the same information. Trevor Bauer tweeted out that he had been told the same thing about the buzzers.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 16, 2020 14:51:09 GMT -5
"I got had by a burner but confirmation bias makes it okay."
If other people are saying that stuff, signal boost the not-anonymous stuff. This is like that time when a 13-year-old kid "reported" a free agent signing a couple years back and everyone thought he was a source and then he just posted a bunch of made up BS and people kept tweeting it credulously. No shame in getting caught up in it and getting fooled by a burner, we've all been there.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 16, 2020 14:52:45 GMT -5
Assuming Mr. Jomboy is to be trusted and this buzzer thing is for real... was this discovered by Manfred in his investigation? If not do they have to do another investigation? Could specific players be punished if they are individually implicated?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 16, 2020 15:16:51 GMT -5
It makes sense that you'd go all the way and automate right to the player, that's if it's true. But right now it's just lots and lots of rumors, a hall of mirrors. If it isn't, then we should expect to hear from the players who've been named I'd guess. If it is on target it starts to get at why the Astros cleaned out the GM and the manager. I guess we all stay tuned.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 16, 2020 15:23:12 GMT -5
"I got had by a burner but confirmation bias makes it okay." If other people are saying that stuff, signal boost the not-anonymous stuff. This is like that time when a 13-year-old kid "reported" a free agent signing a couple years back and everyone thought he was a source and then he just posted a bunch of made up BS and people kept tweeting it credulously. No shame in getting caught up in it and getting fooled by a burner, we've all been there. Here is non-anonymous stuff.
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