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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 12, 2019 22:11:47 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Dec 12, 2019 22:16:22 GMT -5
Porcello replacement, probably cheap. Nice to have the club option if he takes to the change of scenery and has a great year
Don’t hate him as a #5 starter
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 12, 2019 22:22:45 GMT -5
The World Series is ours!
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 12, 2019 22:23:46 GMT -5
Martin Perez hasn't been good for years. Not a big fan of this move. Not sure what Bloom is thinking here. Could get the reasoning behind the Peraza deal. Have no clue what the team is thinking here.
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 12, 2019 22:26:51 GMT -5
Dependable innings eater at the very least. 3 out of the last four years Perez has started at least 32 games. Not great quality, but the quantity has been there.
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 12, 2019 22:30:16 GMT -5
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Dec 12, 2019 22:31:44 GMT -5
Another higher upside signing. Ks per 9 went up 2 last yr to 7.5 Ks per 9 while avg fastball went up to 94.1 mph. Ditched his slider for a more efficient cutter. Still only 28 yrs old. Looks like Price is definitely gone soon and this could be the first domino. All starters are currently left handed except Eovaldi
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 12, 2019 22:33:02 GMT -5
The strikeouts seem to reflect the velocity drop as the season progressed: he had 74 strikeouts in 77 innings (and a 4.09 ERA) in his first 15 starts; 61 in 88 1/3 innings (6.01 ERA) in his last 17.
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 12, 2019 22:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 12, 2019 22:39:48 GMT -5
Well it's a good thing he'll be playing in front of an outfield with two Gold Glo- whoops |
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Post by bosox on Dec 12, 2019 22:48:05 GMT -5
The strikeouts seem to reflect the velocity drop as the season progressed: he had 74 strikeouts in 77 innings (and a 4.09 ERA) in his first 15 starts; 61 in 88 1/3 innings (6.01 ERA) in his last 17. Used as part of an opener game like Beeks? |
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 12, 2019 22:49:23 GMT -5
Not an exciting SP signing. An opener good for 1 time through the order? Bullpen arm? Isn't Brian Johnson cheaper? Better?
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 12, 2019 22:54:10 GMT -5
2019: innings 1-3, 5.40 ERA, innings 4-6 3.95 ERA, innings 7-9 12.35 ERA
Career: innings 1-3 4.98 ERA, innings 4-6 4.19 ERA, innings 7-9 5.83 ERA
Preparing and pitching as an opener is different than as a starter, but he’s been rough through his career the first time through a lineup.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 12, 2019 22:58:04 GMT -5
D's motherf*cker, D's, Martin Perez!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 12, 2019 23:03:19 GMT -5
Meh. Not excited about this move either. Seems to me the Sox don't have much money to spend, but they've spent $9 million on 2 mediocrities today. I'd rather they have gone minimum wage at 2b and brought back Porcello for that money.
Perez hasn't been effective in 7 years. He's highly mediocre.
And as far as the opener stuff goes, they didn't bring him in pitch two or three innings. At the end of the day the Sox have to have at least five pitchers capable of bulk innings. A 2 inning reliever or 7th inning reliever can be an opener. Then you switch to the real starter who is supposed to go at least five, possibly six innings to get to the reliever.
There is a difference between a bullpen and a game started by an opener. A bullpen game consists of at least five relievers and will burn out your bullpen quickly.
An opener ideally goes a couple of innings and gives way to a starter you hope can go 5 solid innings to get the game into the later innings where the primary setup guys take over. Less pitchers and more traditional with the difference being that you're not subjecting the pitching who would normally start to the top of the order right away.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 12, 2019 23:09:47 GMT -5
Just taking a quick look, I think people are underrating Perez's pre-2018 work a little bit. Texas is a tough place to pitch, his career ERA+ was 101 through 2017. 104 in '16, 100 in '17. He was a league average innings eater for awhile, hurt in '18, then came out hot before he hit a wall hard in '19. There's not a whole lot to be excited about, but it doesn't take a whole lot of squinting to see him ending up a relatively effective 5th starter. It's possible that there's something Bloom is seeing that indicates he could take a step forward, but it's also possible that Bloom just knows that the team as currently construction needs to eat up a lot more average-ish innings and he thinks Perez at that price is a fair bet to do that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 12, 2019 23:14:38 GMT -5
Ehh, I think people are underrating Perez's pre-2018 work a little bit. Texas is a tough place to pitch, his career ERA+ was 101 through 2017. 104 in '16, 100 in '17. He was a league average innings eater for awhile, hurt in '18, then came out hot before he hit a wall hard in '19. There's not a whole lot to be excited about, but it doesn't take a whole lot of squinting to see him ending up a relatively effective 5th starter. True, but Fenway is no picnic either, nor is dealing with AL East teams other than Baltimore. Why did he the wall so hard in 2019? The velocity went down I think. If so, why? Is it a case of him wilting in the Texas heat? Right now, assuming a Price deal, he's in line to be the #4 spot. If he cost $6 million then I would think they'd need to spend more to get a #4 should they not return one in the Price or potential JBJ deal. If they were at 225 million (I read that somewhere) and in need of shedding at least $17 million, today's transactions adds 9 million and puts then at 234 million needing to shed at least 26 million and then some so they can add to their team. |
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 12, 2019 23:18:42 GMT -5
Ehh, I think people are underrating Perez's pre-2018 work a little bit. Texas is a tough place to pitch, his career ERA+ was 101 through 2017. 104 in '16, 100 in '17. He was a league average innings eater for awhile, hurt in '18, then came out hot before he hit a wall hard in '19. There's not a whole lot to be excited about, but it doesn't take a whole lot of squinting to see him ending up a relatively effective 5th starter. True, but Fenway is no picnic either, nor is dealing with AL East teams other than Baltimore. ... At this point you understand how ERA+ works, right? If he's putting up a 100 ERA+, he's average. I wasn't saying he was pitching bad because he was in Texas, I'm saying he was average and his ERA looks bad if you look quickly add don't consider context. I hope that wasn't it, since he pitched for the Twins. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2019 23:20:22 GMT -5
He's a perfect #6 starter in my book.
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Post by bosox on Dec 12, 2019 23:22:27 GMT -5
Just taking a quick look, I think people are underrating Perez's pre-2018 work a little bit. Texas is a tough place to pitch, his career ERA+ was 101 through 2017. 104 in '16, 100 in '17. He was a league average innings eater for awhile, hurt in '18, then came out hot before he hit a wall hard in '19. There's not a whole lot to be excited about, but it doesn't take a whole lot of squinting to see him ending up a relatively effective 5th starter. It's possible that there's something Bloom is seeing that indicates he could take a step forward, but it's also possible that Bloom just knows that the team as currently construction needs to eat up a lot more average-ish innings and he thinks Perez at that price is a fair bet to do that. For 2019, he does come in at a 1.9 fWAR just ahead of Cashner and Porcello. |
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Post by caseytins on Dec 12, 2019 23:25:07 GMT -5
I like this signing. I think he's had some bad luck and could be a decent innings eater at half of the price of Porcello. He's going to give them innings, which is what they need. Openers are great and all, but in the end, it taxes the pitching staff, bullpen in particular. He was once a very highly prized prospect and I think he still has some decent innings left in his arm.
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Post by p23w on Dec 12, 2019 23:34:54 GMT -5
Anything more than 165 IP with league average ERA will be huge. Perez is here to eat innings, not be included on a playoff roster.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 12, 2019 23:36:32 GMT -5
True, but Fenway is no picnic either, nor is dealing with AL East teams other than Baltimore. ... At this point you understand how ERA+ works, right? If he's putting up a 100 ERA+, he's average. I wasn't saying he was pitching bad because he was in Texas, I'm saying he was average and his ERA looks bad if you look quickly add don't consider context. I hope that wasn't it, since he pitched for the Twins. Yes, I know what ERA plus is, adjusted for league and ballpark conditions/factors. Forgot that he was in Minnesota last year. I know they had Berrios, Odirizzi, Gibson, and Pineda in the rotation. Forgot that Martin Perez was no longer in Texas. |
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 12, 2019 23:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 13, 2019 0:30:27 GMT -5
How Smart is our new GM? He wanted this guy and seemed to overpay to get an option year. Compared to Porcello this deal doesn't look that great. He has to see something or I'm hoping he does.
Everybody has their stats they prefer, but mine is whip for a pitcher. Last four years 1.414, 1.535, 1.781, and 1.518. He now moves into the AL East and he allows a ton of base runners every inning.
Still see a #6 guy on a very good team, but the scary thing is if you trade Price he's your #4. So let's hope our new boy wonder is right. We need him to nail moves like this.
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