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Red Sox sign Collin McHugh
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 5, 2020 16:47:11 GMT -5
I was wondering why he was still available, he had minor elbow surgery and was just cleared to start throwing. Very solid move. Now go complete that Meyers trade and get us Quantrill and we can start dreaming of winning the Division again lol. If only they could. Unless the Padres are about to line up an expensive talent in a trade they have no real reason to deal Myers. They'd be better off keeping their prospects and Quantrill, who if he establishes himself as a mid-rotation option, would probably no longer be a guy the Pads would want to deal. Getting Quantrill and either Campusano or Arias for only adding $4 million of luxury tax $ is something that has always felt too good to be true to occur. |
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Post by kman22 on Mar 5, 2020 16:53:08 GMT -5
I was wondering why he was still available, he had minor elbow surgery and was just cleared to start throwing. Very solid move. Now go complete that Meyers trade and get us Quantrill and we can start dreaming of winning the Division again lol. If only they could. Unless the Padres are about to line up an expensive talent in a trade they have no real reason to deal Myers. They'd be better off keeping their prospects and Quantrill, who if he establishes himself as a mid-rotation option, would probably no longer be a guy the Pads would want to deal. Getting Quantrill and either Campusano or Arias for only adding $4 million of luxury tax $ is something that has always felt too good to be true to occur. It's also ~$30M in actual cash relief for the Padres. |
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Post by kman22 on Mar 5, 2020 16:55:10 GMT -5
I like the move. One of the more intriguing names that's been kicked around this winter. Along with Taijuan Walker, McHugh is the guy I was hoping they'd take a flier on.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 5, 2020 20:25:35 GMT -5
Funny comment from rominer at Uponthemonster:
"Maybe they're just planning to use him to harvest spare parts for Sale."
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 5, 2020 23:56:10 GMT -5
I was wondering why he was still available, he had minor elbow surgery and was just cleared to start throwing. Very solid move. Now go complete that Meyers trade and get us Quantrill and we can start dreaming of winning the Division again lol. If only they could. Unless the Padres are about to line up an expensive talent in a trade they have no real reason to deal Myers. They'd be better off keeping their prospects and Quantrill, who if he establishes himself as a mid-rotation option, would probably no longer be a guy the Pads would want to deal. Getting Quantrill and either Campusano or Arias for only adding $4 million of luxury tax $ is something that has always felt too good to be true to occur. The way I look at it is they are all in. GMs job is on the line, years of big spending and an all-time high payroll. Been trying to move him for a long time. So I don't get wanting to wait till you have to make a deal. At that point you are paying a premium and it just complicates future moves. They have been trying to add players all off-season. The question for me isn't is there a deal there, it's what that deal is. I think you can get Quantrill. I really think it's what else that is the sticking point. Arias seemed like a little much and Campusano seemed like a pipe dream unless you pay more. |
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Post by soxaddict on Mar 6, 2020 3:17:41 GMT -5
If only they could. Unless the Padres are about to line up an expensive talent in a trade they have no real reason to deal Myers. They'd be better off keeping their prospects and Quantrill, who if he establishes himself as a mid-rotation option, would probably no longer be a guy the Pads would want to deal. Getting Quantrill and either Campusano or Arias for only adding $4 million of luxury tax $ is something that has always felt too good to be true to occur. The way I look at it is they are all in. GMs job is on the line, years of big spending and an all-time high payroll. Been trying to move him for a long time. So I don't get wanting to wait till you have to make a deal. At that point you are paying a premium and it just complicates future moves. They have been trying to add players all off-season. The question for me isn't is there a deal there, it's what that deal is. I think you can get Quantrill. I really think it's what else that is the sticking point. Arias seemed like a little much and Campusano seemed like a pipe dream unless you pay more. I’m fine with not making a deal with the Friars. With half of Myers salary off the books, I could see them being player for Mookie in 2021. As is, I don’t think they’d add that kind of contract. The less players there is for Mookie, the better. IMO, I think we have a shot at bringing Mookie back. |
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 6, 2020 6:17:04 GMT -5
Once (if?) healthy, McHugh is the obvious best candidate for the "bulk" guy, who I just decided today should be called the extender (we want a verb like starter, reliever, opener). "Games extended" and "games opened" should be new stats, since the former are not relief appearances and the latter are not starts.
Since McHugh won't be ready to start the season, I suspect this deal was already in the works before the latest Sale news. Which means they might well be still looking for another arm.
Jen McCaffrey at the Athletic lists the following available pitchers in order:
Quantrill. Ross Stripling, Dodgers. They have a surplus and already tried to trade him. Trade suggestion: Chatham.
Austin Voth, Nationals (or Joe Ross). Both are out of options and neither may make the team. Trade suggestion: Howlett or Fitzgerald.
Trevor Williams, Pirates. Trade suggestion: Lucroy or Plawecki, as the need a catcher.
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Post by greenmonster on Mar 6, 2020 9:18:04 GMT -5
Once (if?) healthy, McHugh is the obvious best candidate for the "bulk" guy, who I just decided today should be called the extender (we want a verb like starter, reliever, opener). "Games extended" and "games opened" should be new stats, since the former are not relief appearances and the latter are not starts.
Since McHugh won't be ready to start the season, I suspect this deal was already in the works before the latest Sale news. Which means they might well be still looking for another arm. Jen McCaffrey at the Athletic lists the following available pitchers in order: Quantrill. Ross Stripling, Dodgers. They have a surplus and already tried to trade him. Trade suggestion: Chatham.
Austin Voth, Nationals (or Joe Ross). Both are out of options and neither may make the team. Trade suggestion: Howlett or Fitzgerald.
Trevor Williams, Pirates. Trade suggestion: Lucroy or Plawecki, as the need a catcher.
So who is going to be the ....Pretender? |
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Post by nomar on Mar 6, 2020 11:45:59 GMT -5
I’d send Chatham for Stripling without question.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 6, 2020 11:51:59 GMT -5
I’d send Chatham for Stripling without question. Doubt the Dodgers would make that move. That would be a steal for the Red Sox. I think if that was a possibility they would have tacked that on during the Betts deal. |
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Mar 6, 2020 12:23:42 GMT -5
I’d send Chatham for Stripling without question. I would offer more just to be safe. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 6, 2020 12:44:33 GMT -5
Once (if?) healthy, McHugh is the obvious best candidate for the "bulk" guy, who I just decided today should be called the extender (we want a verb like starter, reliever, opener). "Games extended" and "games opened" should be new stats, since the former are not relief appearances and the latter are not starts.
Since McHugh won't be ready to start the season, I suspect this deal was already in the works before the latest Sale news. Which means they might well be still looking for another arm.
Jen McCaffrey at the Athletic lists the following available pitchers in order:
Quantrill. Ross Stripling, Dodgers. They have a surplus and already tried to trade him. Trade suggestion: Chatham.
Austin Voth, Nationals (or Joe Ross). Both are out of options and neither may make the team. Trade suggestion: Howlett or Fitzgerald.
Trevor Williams, Pirates. Trade suggestion: Lucroy or Plawecki, as the need a catcher.
In honor of Terry Bollea, why not refer to him as "The Bulkster" |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 6, 2020 13:06:31 GMT -5
From the BRef newsletter
11+ SO/9, 4+ SO/BB, adjusted ERA+ of 200 or higher, min. 70 IP
Player Year SO9 ERA+ IP SO/BB Age Tm
Liam Hendriks 2019 13.13 240 85.0 5.90 30 OAK
Collin McHugh 2018 11.70 209 72.1 4.48 31 HOU
Jacob deGrom 2018 11.16 218 217.0 5.85 30 NYM
Edwin Diaz 2018 15.22 208 73.1 7.29 24 SEA
Chris Sale 2018 13.50 209 158.0 6.97 29 BOS
Blake Treinen 2018 11.20 531 80.1 4.76 30 OAK
Corey Kluber 2017 11.71 202 203.2 7.36 31 CLE
Andrew Miller 2016 14.89 304 74.1 13.67 31 TOT
Seunghwan Oh 2016 11.64 212 79.2 5.72 33 STL
Wade Davis 2014 13.63 396 72.0 4.74 28 KCR
Dellin Betances 2014 13.50 274 90.0 5.63 26 NYY
ERA+: 100*[lgERA/ERA], adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s)
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 6, 2020 15:47:11 GMT -5
From the BRef newsletter 11+ SO/9, 4+ SO/BB, adjusted ERA+ of 200 or higher, min. 70 IP Player Year SO9 ERA+ IP SO/BB Age Tm
Liam Hendriks 2019 13.13 240 85.0 5.90 30 OAK
Collin McHugh 2018 11.70 209 72.1 4.48 31 HOU
Jacob deGrom 2018 11.16 218 217.0 5.85 30 NYM
Edwin Diaz 2018 15.22 208 73.1 7.29 24 SEA
Chris Sale 2018 13.50 209 158.0 6.97 29 BOS
Blake Treinen 2018 11.20 531 80.1 4.76 30 OAK
Corey Kluber 2017 11.71 202 203.2 7.36 31 CLE
Andrew Miller 2016 14.89 304 74.1 13.67 31 TOT
Seunghwan Oh 2016 11.64 212 79.2 5.72 33 STL
Wade Davis 2014 13.63 396 72.0 4.74 28 KCR
Dellin Betances 2014 13.50 274 90.0 5.63 26 NYYERA+: 100*[lgERA/ERA], adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s) Fixed the columns! |
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 6, 2020 15:53:49 GMT -5
I’d send Chatham for Stripling without question. Williams is the guy with the best projection (per IP), while Stripling shows as barely an upgrade on Velazquez (assuming he clears waivers). But:
- Pitching projections for guys in this class aren't all that helpful
- I'm not going to look at each guy to see who has the most upside and secret appeal.
At least ... I don't plan to.  |
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Post by nomar on Mar 6, 2020 16:21:20 GMT -5
I’d send Chatham for Stripling without question. Williams is the guy with the best projection (per IP), while Stripling shows as barely an upgrade on Velazquez (assuming he clears waivers). But: - Pitching projections for guys in this class aren't all that helpful
- I'm not going to look at each guy to see who has the most upside and secret appeal.
At least ... I don't plan to. Williams definitely a fine bounce back candidate in my eyes, but last year was real ugly. |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Mar 7, 2020 9:40:14 GMT -5
From the outside looking in, Brian Johnson seems to be the most likely 5th starter in April.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 7, 2020 18:06:19 GMT -5
The way I look at it is they are all in. GMs job is on the line, years of big spending and an all-time high payroll. Been trying to move him for a long time. So I don't get wanting to wait till you have to make a deal. At that point you are paying a premium and it just complicates future moves. They have been trying to add players all off-season. The question for me isn't is there a deal there, it's what that deal is. I think you can get Quantrill. I really think it's what else that is the sticking point. Arias seemed like a little much and Campusano seemed like a pipe dream unless you pay more. I’m fine with not making a deal with the Friars. With half of Myers salary off the books, I could see them being player for Mookie in 2021. As is, I don’t think they’d add that kind of contract. The less players there is for Mookie, the better. IMO, I think we have a shot at bringing Mookie back. I don't really understand this logic. They couldn't even make the Betts deal for one year unless we paid more than ten million per reports. By most estimates Betts will be making about 6-7 million more on a long-term deal. Even if you took the whole contract they likely can't afford him long-term. They would have 90 million tied up in three players for a team that we don't even know if they can afford $150 million and not lose money. Are you really worried we can outspend the Padres? It's the Dodgers that should worry you, not the Padres. So yeah let's make a deal if we can and upgrade this years team and maybe our teams for many years with a decent young pitcher. I hate to burst people's bubbles but the minute you traded Betts the likely hood he comes back is rather low. |
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Post by soxaddict on Mar 8, 2020 0:31:14 GMT -5
I’m fine with not making a deal with the Friars. With half of Myers salary off the books, I could see them being player for Mookie in 2021. As is, I don’t think they’d add that kind of contract. The less players there is for Mookie, the better. IMO, I think we have a shot at bringing Mookie back. I don't really understand this logic. They couldn't even make the Betts deal for one year unless we paid more than ten million per reports. By most estimates Betts will be making about 6-7 million more on a long-term deal. Even if you took the whole contract they likely can't afford him long-term. They would have 90 million tied up in three players for a team that we don't even know if they can afford $150 million and not lose money. Are you really worried we can outspend the Padres? It's the Dodgers that should worry you, not the Padres. So yeah let's make a deal if we can and upgrade this years team and maybe our teams for many years with a decent young pitcher. I hate to burst people's bubbles but the minute you traded Betts the likely hood he comes back is rather low. Logic? We can outspend any team. But the Padres could afford Mookie if half of Myers contract is gone. They’ll be under $90m even with Myers next year before arb raises. Around $22m will come off the books in Yates, Richards and Profar. Add in half of Myers contract and that’s gonna be pretty close. Look at the Padres moves the last three years. Hosmer, Machado and they started paying Myers this year. Sure, if the Dodgers are willing to sign Mookie to a 10 or 12 year deal, then its moot point, but it’s not their MO. Betts will follow the money. If he doesn’t come back to Boston its because Boston doesn’t want him back. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 8, 2020 14:55:40 GMT -5
I don't really understand this logic. They couldn't even make the Betts deal for one year unless we paid more than ten million per reports. By most estimates Betts will be making about 6-7 million more on a long-term deal. Even if you took the whole contract they likely can't afford him long-term. They would have 90 million tied up in three players for a team that we don't even know if they can afford $150 million and not lose money. Are you really worried we can outspend the Padres? It's the Dodgers that should worry you, not the Padres. So yeah let's make a deal if we can and upgrade this years team and maybe our teams for many years with a decent young pitcher. I hate to burst people's bubbles but the minute you traded Betts the likely hood he comes back is rather low. Logic? We can outspend any team. But the Padres could afford Mookie if half of Myers contract is gone. They’ll be under $90m even with Myers next year before arb raises. Around $22m will come off the books in Yates, Richards and Profar. Add in half of Myers contract and that’s gonna be pretty close. Look at the Padres moves the last three years. Hosmer, Machado and they started paying Myers this year. Sure, if the Dodgers are willing to sign Mookie to a 10 or 12 year deal, then its moot point, but it’s not their MO. Betts will follow the money. If he doesn’t come back to Boston its because Boston doesn’t want him back. Yes logic, you have to build a team. By your logic the Red Sox could have kept Price and been well under the tax line. It doesn't work that way, arbitration guys cost real money. You need to replace guys that leave. Example Pham alone is going to be around 12-14 million unless he sucks and they just paid a big price to get him. You basically just maxed out their spending for the next three years and it will spiral out of control as more arbitration guys start to make more. You need to look at things long-term. Nevermind that GM is under orders to win, his job is on the line. You give him money he's going to spend it. He's desperate to win at all costs this year. The Dodgers cut payroll because they had to. Orders from MLB because their debt ratio was to high. They offered Cole eight years, then the Yankees went nine years. So I don't know why you'd think 10 years is something they wouldn't do. They just paid a rather high price for Betts if it's only one year. |
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