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2020 Non-Red Sox Thread
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Post by manfred on Oct 1, 2020 16:51:50 GMT -5
Oh I think building a franchise is probably more interesting at this point for him. That's my point. But at this point, "get Mike Trout a team he deserves" is the MLB's dream GM scenario now that the Red Sox and Cubs have won World Series, right? I don’t know. Trout is a pretty dull mega-star. Maybe people take him for granted, but I can’t think of an equivalent best player who has done less to stimulate national imagination. Maybe that underscores your point — he’s never had the big stage. But I’m not sure the nation cries out for it. In fact, to me this is one of the signs of crisis for baseball. Guys like the Greek Freak have people talking about Milwaukee, or DeShaun Watson gets people interested in the Texans... but Trout is relatively ignored in LA.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 1, 2020 17:06:48 GMT -5
Oh I think building a franchise is probably more interesting at this point for him. That's my point. But at this point, "get Mike Trout a team he deserves" is the MLB's dream GM scenario now that the Red Sox and Cubs have won World Series, right? I don’t know. Trout is a pretty dull mega-star. Maybe people take him for granted, but I can’t think of an equivalent best player who has done less to stimulate national imagination. Maybe that underscores your point — he’s never had the big stage. But I’m not sure the nation cries out for it. In fact, to me this is one of the signs of crisis for baseball. Guys like the Greek Freak have people talking about Milwaukee, or DeShaun Watson gets people interested in the Texans... but Trout is relatively ignored in LA. A lot of that has to do more with baseball itself than Trout.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 1, 2020 18:26:24 GMT -5
I don’t know. Trout is a pretty dull mega-star. Maybe people take him for granted, but I can’t think of an equivalent best player who has done less to stimulate national imagination. Maybe that underscores your point — he’s never had the big stage. But I’m not sure the nation cries out for it. In fact, to me this is one of the signs of crisis for baseball. Guys like the Greek Freak have people talking about Milwaukee, or DeShaun Watson gets people interested in the Texans... but Trout is relatively ignored in LA. A lot of that has to do more with baseball itself than Trout. Maybe but Trout has been pretty open about not doing a ton of marketing. He likes the low key life style. I respect that about him though
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Post by manfred on Oct 1, 2020 18:47:30 GMT -5
I don’t know. Trout is a pretty dull mega-star. Maybe people take him for granted, but I can’t think of an equivalent best player who has done less to stimulate national imagination. Maybe that underscores your point — he’s never had the big stage. But I’m not sure the nation cries out for it. In fact, to me this is one of the signs of crisis for baseball. Guys like the Greek Freak have people talking about Milwaukee, or DeShaun Watson gets people interested in the Texans... but Trout is relatively ignored in LA. A lot of that has to do more with baseball itself than Trout. May well be. It seems like a vicious circle, though. Baseball is failing to make a more interesting product, which hurts its best players; its best player(s) is not as compelling as he(they) could be, so the product is not as exciting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 2, 2020 5:53:03 GMT -5
And I don't understand what any of that has to do with what we're talking about here. I'm taking about for someone in the game, where, y'know, they'd know about who Mike Trout is.
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Post by orion09 on Oct 2, 2020 8:13:12 GMT -5
And I don't understand what any of that has to do with what we're talking about here. I'm taking about for someone in the game, where, y'know, they'd know about who Mike Trout is. In an ideal world, you want your most talented player to be the face of the game. The kind of player that 8 year olds can gush over, “wow, did you get the new Mike Trout cleats? Did you see his commercial with Gatorade! He’s such a cool guy” Not, “wow, did you see Mike Trout’s small cameo on Channel 5 Weather?” I mean, people know who he is, but he’s not exactly lighting a fire under casual fans either. Yes, it has some to do with baseball, but it has some to do with Trout, too. His choice, obviously
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Post by manfred on Oct 2, 2020 8:22:34 GMT -5
Now the guy I am happy for is Kershaw. He has had such a sick career and is just a great playoff run from entering a small pantheon. His start last night might signal this is it.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 2, 2020 22:41:02 GMT -5
He might have been the GOAT, definitely one of the 3 most dominant pitchers to ever play.
He was the biggest reason why the Sox didn't win a title in the dream season of 1967.
Really tough night for Cardinal's fans. Go home in a elimination playoff game and lose the best pitcher in franchise history in the span of 2 hours.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 2, 2020 22:47:36 GMT -5
Damn, RIP Bob Gibson. Absolute legend.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 2, 2020 23:09:34 GMT -5
Gibson was so dominant that he pretty much drove MLB to lower the mound and reduce the strike zone to what it is today. For years it was known as the Bob Gibson rule. If you google baseball lowers mound, Bob Gibson comes up. www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/sports/baseball/19gibson.html
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 2, 2020 23:30:23 GMT -5
Covid-19. Lou Brock, Tom Seaver, now Bob Gibson all gone. 2020 needs to end.
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Post by jl1947 on Oct 2, 2020 23:43:45 GMT -5
Gibson was so dominant that he pretty much drove MLB to lower the mound and reduce the strike zone to what it is today. For years it was known as the Bob Gibson rule. If you google baseball lowers mound, Bob Gibson comes up. www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/sports/baseball/19gibson.htmlHe, along with Don Drysdale, were probably the most feared pitchers in baseball lore. There were others who were intimidating because they were wild, hard throwers. But I don't know if I ever heard of two pitchers more likely to knock you on your butt if you dared crowd the plate too much, or got too comfortable at the plate. I remember seeing Bob Gibson during the last 8 years or so of his career. Can you imagine pitching 13 shutouts in one season? How about 28 complete games in one season, and not from a knuckle ball pitcher either? I only read and heard of Don Drysdale's exploits, but I consider myself lucky to have seen the pitcher my eyes told me was the most competitive of the last 50-plus years.
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Post by jl1947 on Oct 3, 2020 0:32:33 GMT -5
Here's Hank Aaron's advice to a young Dusty Baker, concerning Bob Gibson: "Don't dig in against Bob Gibson; he'll knock you down,'' Aaron said, according to the Boston Globe. "He'd knock down his own grandmother if she dared to challenge him. Don't stare at him, don't smile at him, don't talk to him. He doesn't like it. If you happen to hit a home run, don't run too slow, don't run too fast. If you happen to want to celebrate, get in the tunnel first. And if he hits you, don't charge the mound, because he's a Gold Glove boxer.'' www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30026719/hall-famer-bob-gibson-st-louis-cardinals-ace-dies-84
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 3, 2020 1:43:01 GMT -5
Damn, RIP Bob Gibson. Absolute legend. When I think of the idea of commanding the mound, Gibson comes to mind... always. I can still see him up there staring batters down.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 3, 2020 2:33:35 GMT -5
Gibson was so dominant that he pretty much drove MLB to lower the mound and reduce the strike zone to what it is today. For years it was known as the Bob Gibson rule. If you google baseball lowers mound, Bob Gibson comes up. www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/sports/baseball/19gibson.htmlHe, along with Don Drysdale, were probably the most feared pitchers in baseball lore. There were others who were intimidating because they were wild, hard throwers. But I don't know if I ever heard of two pitchers more likely to knock you on your butt if you dared crowd the plate too much, or got too comfortable at the plate. I remember seeing Bob Gibson during the last 8 years or so of his career. Can you imagine pitching 13 shutouts in one season? How about 28 complete games in one season, and not from a knuckle ball pitcher either? I only read and heard of Don Drysdale's exploits, but I consider myself lucky to have seen the pitcher my eyes told me was the most competitive of the last 50-plus years. Gibson career HBP 102 Drysdale 144. Pedro had 141 so times may have changed. His season just before they lowered the mound: 304.2 IP 1.12 ERA 34 GS 28 shutouts 268 SO 62 BB
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Post by jl1947 on Oct 3, 2020 3:40:21 GMT -5
He, along with Don Drysdale, were probably the most feared pitchers in baseball lore. There were others who were intimidating because they were wild, hard throwers. But I don't know if I ever heard of two pitchers more likely to knock you on your butt if you dared crowd the plate too much, or got too comfortable at the plate. I remember seeing Bob Gibson during the last 8 years or so of his career. Can you imagine pitching 13 shutouts in one season? How about 28 complete games in one season, and not from a knuckle ball pitcher either? I only read and heard of Don Drysdale's exploits, but I consider myself lucky to have seen the pitcher my eyes told me was the most competitive of the last 50-plus years. Gibson career HBP 102 Drysdale 144. Pedro had 141 so times may have changed. His season just before they lowered the mound: 304.2 IP 1.12 ERA 34 GS 28 shutouts 268 SO 62 BB Amazing year! As fas as Pedro, no one was more courageous on the mound -- he was, indeed, a fierce competitor at a 5-11 (in Kim's elevator shoes?) 170 pound pitcher, daring folks 50 pounds heavier to charge the mound. Drysdale, on the other hand, was a beast for his time, tall (6'5" and 225 lbs) while Gibson was one of the great athletes of his time who dared you to come at him, knowing he could knock out anybody who tried.
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Post by manfred on Oct 3, 2020 18:20:36 GMT -5
Gibson career HBP 102 Drysdale 144. Pedro had 141 so times may have changed. His season just before they lowered the mound: 304.2 IP 1.12 ERA 34 GS 28 shutouts 268 SO 62 BB Amazing year! As fas as Pedro, no one was more courageous on the mound -- he was, indeed, a fierce competitor at a 5-11 (in Kim's elevator shoes?) 170 pound pitcher, daring folks 50 pounds heavier to charge the mound. Drysdale, on the other hand, was a beast for his time, tall (6'5" and 225 lbs) while Gibson was one of the great athletes of his time who dared you to come at him, knowing he could knock out anybody who tried. Dude pitched with a broken leg. ‘Nuff said. Legend. And terrifying. I got his autograph when I was a little kid (he was super nice) and felt like I might poop myself just cause of his aura (he’d have been in his 50s).
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 3, 2020 22:53:53 GMT -5
Former Sea Dogs pitcher and a rare knuckleballer. I used to trade for him in MLB The Show because I love the knuckleball. I saw it earlier that he was wanted for killing his girlfriend and then killed himself. Awful story.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 4, 2020 0:04:00 GMT -5
Former Sea Dogs pitcher and a rare knuckleballer. I used to trade for him in MLB The Show because I love the knuckleball. I saw it earlier that he was wanted for killing his girlfriend and then killed himself. Awful story. Very tough. Sorry to hear this.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 4, 2020 0:20:59 GMT -5
Yikes, another one.
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Post by jl1947 on Oct 4, 2020 17:44:05 GMT -5
Interesting Boston-related facts about this multi-inning closer: -Was a teammate of Dick Radatz in college -Was once traded for Don Zimmer -Had a cameo on the Chuck Connor Connors (Boston Celtics, 1947-48) series, Branded
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 4, 2020 21:23:54 GMT -5
And another one. I can't say I remember the player but I remember the nickname.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 4, 2020 21:33:31 GMT -5
On the lighter side:
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 7, 2020 11:19:42 GMT -5
Not baseball but very cool:
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 9, 2020 4:42:36 GMT -5
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