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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 14, 2020 21:59:01 GMT -5
Well, rankings versus ratings are different. Wholly agree that ranking knowing it's the list someone's referring to months down the line is different than doing it for a month, but I'd think a grade should be consistent.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 15, 2020 1:37:29 GMT -5
Well, rankings versus ratings are different. Wholly agree that ranking knowing it's the list someone's referring to months down the line is different than doing it for a month, but I'd think a grade should be consistent. Not so sure there. Using Groome as an example, Early on it was basically said that he needed to develop a decent change to go along with his fastball and plus-plus curve, which he apparently has. The question then becomes if he can repeat it over time and blend it into his repertoire. Like his health, it remains an unanswered question even if logic says it likely will be OK. Same for Duran's newfound power and Casas plate domination. ADD: Your supposition is probably more true in a normal year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 15, 2020 8:15:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing, probably because of my own poor word choice. I'm talking about ranking based on the fact that those ranks are going to be there for the full year, and therefore treating players differently than, say, how we might here because we're re-ranking monthly in a normal year and therefore don't need to hedge as much on some players who might jump quickly, and that how that phenomenon should not apply to grades, in theory. I'm saying at point A, the way outlets grade should, in theory, not take into account the next time the outlet will grade the player - it's a projection already.
Now, the way I worded it probably made it sound like I meant grades shouldn't change during the year, and that looks like what you were responding to. Grades definitely can change as the season goes on for the reasons you state.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 16, 2020 1:48:38 GMT -5
In Paul Abbott we trust... www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/former-big-leaguer-paul-abbott-can-barely-contain-his-excitement-over-red-soxRe: Mata
"For me, probably the most exciting guy we have in the organization, and he's one of the most exciting guys in baseball, period," Abbott said. "21 years old, touches 99, sits about 97, and everything he throws is top shelf.
"Obviously, he's a young guy, there's some emotions that get involved and they try to do too much, they're more throwers than pitchers. But he's pretty advanced, even with that being said."
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 16, 2020 21:44:06 GMT -5
Sim game. scheduled Seabold 5, Pivetta 6 innings
Seabold 1st.
Got the first two batters then gave up solid singles to Downs and Potts plus a walk before they rolled the inning over. Casas playing 3B (but Crabbe isn't on the field).
Pivetta. 1st
Struck out the first two batters including Duran, with the best command of his secondaries I've seen. Then Ockimey walked and Casas lined an opposite field hard single (2 strikes) before they rolled the inning. Announcers mentioned that they heard Pivetta was hit hard at Fenway.
Seabold 2nd
Seabold didn't have his usual command with a BB, 2 WP and a HBP also gave up a single to Rosario before they rolled the inning with 1 out. Announcers mentioned that Lucroy left because he got an offer from Philadelphia.
Pivetta 2nd
Announcers are saying the same thing, this is the sharpest I've seen Pivetta. 2 Ks (including Duran) and a pop flyout to Casas. On the other hand, Chatham with a right field line double and Ockimey with a 446' 107 EV bomb to CF.
Seabold 3rd.
Better command but still walked a batter ( Casas) and gave up a double to Rosario that was pretty much a mirror image of the Chatham double. Casas with a strong, accurate throw from third to get somebody (Wong ?). It's pretty clear that Ockimey, Casas and Rosario have plus-plus plate discipline.
Pivetta 3rd.
With two outs, Chatham with a bloop single followed by an impressive opp field double off the top of the wall on a changeup by Duran. Casas then caught looking on a 3-2 pitch. Six strikeouts so far for Pivetta.
Seabold 4th.
Still doesn't have his usual command, walked his 4th batter (Ockimey) but no other damage.
Pivetta 4th
Settled down a bit. Casas reached on a nice inside out swing bloop single to left. Potts with a nice play at third, he seems very similar to Dalbec except bigger (stronger looking).
Seabold 5th
He continued to have marginal command (first time I've seen that) and walked another batter (Potts). Wong with his first Sim HR, a 406 foot 106 EV to dead left.
Pivetta 5th
First 1-2-3 inning of the day and Pivetta was pretty much blowing fastball by people. 9 strikeouts including Duran 3 times.
Gonsalves 6th
Not sure what happened here but only saw 2 batters before the feed ended, a walk to Ockimey (his 3rd of the day)nand a single by peraza.
Not sure what else happened but later Duran had an inside the park HR off Pivetta:
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 16, 2020 23:40:31 GMT -5
I'm guessing Pivetta
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 17, 2020 7:24:11 GMT -5
I'm guessing Pivetta /photo/1 If they bring him up to start game 1 of the Orioles series on the 22nd, they gain a year of control, and he also starts the last game of the season.
O's series would be him, Eovaldi, Perez, and Braves would be Houck, Mazza ?, Pivetta. I think Weber has to be starting game 2 against the Yankees.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 17, 2020 8:32:41 GMT -5
Yeah, seems pretty clearly to be Pivetta.
That said, my dark horse would be Caleb Simpson. They like him a lot and it's good stuff, but he doesn't locate it well.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2020 8:43:53 GMT -5
I should think it's almost 100% that it will be someone already on the 40 man.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 17, 2020 10:38:54 GMT -5
I should think it's almost 100% that it will be someone already on the 40 man. I tend to agree. Only reason I mention Simpson is that he is, in theory at least (could've signed a 2 year deal), a MLFA. That'd be one way to keep him. But as discussed, the 40-man situation is unreal already, so it's quite doubtful they go there.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 17, 2020 10:43:30 GMT -5
It's Pivetta
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 17, 2020 11:16:36 GMT -5
Brewer was also removed from the player pool.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 17, 2020 11:47:41 GMT -5
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 17, 2020 18:33:51 GMT -5
That’s pretty cool for Yorke. I guess we will get a tiny sample of what he can do in an extreme age/advancement environment. I’m glad the Sox are doing this with this particular roster slot.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2020 19:28:28 GMT -5
Sim pen game:
Late feed so I didn't see the first half inning but they said Seth Blair only allowed a bloop single by Ockimey that Rosario got a late break on.
Simpson followed, with a simulated runner on second. He allowed a walk, hit batter (Wilson who is OK) a wild pitch and 3 strikeouts all on nasty sliders. The 3 k's included two disciplined hitters, Rosario and Casas who actually chased one of the sliders (very rare). The runner didn't score.
Blair looked very sharp in the second. 4 out inning but faced a 5th batter (Ockimey) who walked. The last few times out, he's had much better control of his multi arm angle delivery.
That's all folks.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2020 22:48:40 GMT -5
That’s pretty cool for Yorke. I guess we will get a tiny sample of what he can do in an extreme age/advancement environment. I’m glad the Sox are doing this with this particular roster slot. I am guessing he will be spending most of his time with Crabbe the infield coach. During the sim game they showed him with Billy McMillan.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 18, 2020 1:01:21 GMT -5
Sim pen game: Late feed so I didn't see the first half inning but they said Seth Blair only allowed a bloop single by Ockimey that Rosario got a late break on. Simpson followed, with a simulated runner on second. He allowed a walk, hit batter (Wilson who is OK) a wild pitch and 3 strikeouts all on nasty sliders. The 3 k's included two disciplined hitters, Rosario and Casas who actually chased one of the sliders (very rare). The runner didn't score. Blair looked very sharp in the second. 4 out inning but faced a 5th batter (Ockimey) who walked. The last few times out, he's had much better control of his multi arm angle delivery. That's all folks. Simpson, Blair, and Gonsalves will all be mlfa's. They all seem interesting enough to bring back as NRI's.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 18, 2020 16:45:03 GMT -5
They really like Simpson. Haviland gushed about him a bit today on his Zoom without any specific prompting about him.
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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 18, 2020 18:00:19 GMT -5
I guess "building towards getting opportunity" counts enough as a reason to keep someone down, especially since he was in relief in Philly, but they are basically signaling he's up once he gets past the trigger (BTW - this confirms that DFA's math was spot on). I'd still take the team to court on it, if only to call them out for all but announcing it on the 17th (which I think is before the trigger date) and forcing the issue again. At least make it a nuisance to get it prioritized in the next CBA. This whole service time manipulation game just doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth. I hope they think of something more objective in the future like time since drafted/signed (varying for HS, Juco, College, DSL), or age if that's legal. As in free agency begins the next offseason after you turn 27. Let the arbitrators decide on salary prior to that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 18, 2020 18:42:01 GMT -5
In reality, he pitched 6 innings 2 days ago, the exact same promotion timing as Houck. They would lose in court plus from statements made by Pivetta, he was happy with the ramp up because he wants to be a starter.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 19, 2020 12:39:38 GMT -5
Bryan Mata sitting 98 in the first inning today. Struck out Potts, then Ockimey single. Nick Yorke singled off Mata in his first pro AB.
Caleb Simpson looked solid in his first inning, striking out Casas. Throwing a ton of sliders.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Sept 19, 2020 13:25:28 GMT -5
did mata change his windup?
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Post by cdj on Sept 19, 2020 13:42:58 GMT -5
Bryan Mata sitting 98 in the first inning today. Struck out Potts, then Ockimey single. Nick Yorke singled off Mata in his first pro AB. Caleb Simpson looked solid in his first inning, striking out Casas. Throwing a ton of sliders. That’s nice that Yorke already got a hit off of a high minors guy with premium stuff Hopefully we get a look at Simpson soon. Throw all these pure “stuff” bullpen guys against a wall and see what sticks
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 19, 2020 14:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 19, 2020 15:31:19 GMT -5
I like how simple Yorke's setup looks at the plate. His body seems more filled out than I remember from his draft videos.
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