|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2020 11:30:55 GMT -5
Actually, please save this thread for actual news and discussion thereof regarding the trade deadline.
Trade proposals should still go in the trade proposal subforum.
Thanks, all. Don't want to get discussion of the actual news and such to get lost underneath proposals to trade Kyle Hart for Shane Bieber straight up or something.
|
|
|
|
Post by dmaineah on Aug 14, 2020 22:01:45 GMT -5
The Cleveland Indians are so disappointed in Clevinger & Plesac that they’ve optioned both down. Wonder if either are available?
|
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 22:28:42 GMT -5
Jon Heyman @jonheyman
·
51m
Biggest issue with this year’s trade deadline: Looks like only 3 certain/near certain sellers. Pirates, Red Sox, Mariners
|
|
|
|
Post by orion09 on Aug 14, 2020 23:42:19 GMT -5
Jon Heyman @jonheyman · 51m Biggest issue with this year’s trade deadline: Looks like only 3 certain/near certain sellers. Pirates, Red Sox, Mariners Good news if true, since it gives us leverage. Though I have trouble believing teams are going to part with any decent prospects this season, especially for a rental. |
|
|
|
Post by sibbysisti on Aug 15, 2020 6:30:03 GMT -5
It's got to be a challenge for scouts as there are no minor league seasons. Hard to get an update on potential acquisitions. Got to go on talent and past performance unless you're looking at young roster players.
|
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 15, 2020 6:39:34 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by sibbysisti on Aug 15, 2020 8:57:58 GMT -5
It's got to be a challenge for scouts as there are no minor league seasons. Hard to get an update on potential acquisitions. Got to go on talent and past performance unless you're looking at young roster players. I may have misspoke. According to this season's rules, only players on the 60 man roster are eligible to be traded. That eliminates prospects in the lower minors from consideration. Scouts should have a handle on those potential acquisitions on the 60 man. |
|
|
|
Post by jdb on Aug 15, 2020 9:23:43 GMT -5
One thing I have seen somewhere is there could be players to be named later based on the finished season. Sorry I can’t link it since i forgot where I read it but basically pick a group of prospects from a team and chose one/two if the season gets cancelled and then have an agreement if the season is complete as well.
|
|
|
|
Post by RedSoxStats on Aug 15, 2020 10:17:36 GMT -5
I may have misspoke. According to this season's rules, only players on the 60 man roster are eligible to be traded. That eliminates prospects in the lower minors from consideration. Scouts should have a handle on those potential acquisitions on the 60 man. Players can be moved as PTBNLs or could easily be added to any 60 man roster (apparently soon to be 75 man roster). |
|
|
|
Post by jdb on Aug 17, 2020 17:28:47 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 17, 2020 17:49:54 GMT -5
Also Verdugo as an honorable mention, and Betts at 47 (noting his is difficult because his contract is so much more valuable to the Dodgers than to any other team because his deferred money becomes due if he's traded). My initial inclination was that 49 was too low for Bogaerts, but then thought of the point Edwards raises of the opt-out. Seems about right then. I presume the only other Sox we'll see is Devers. |
|
|
|
Post by patford on Aug 17, 2020 18:04:30 GMT -5
With as bad as things are right now I'd hate to see the Sox trade away;Bogaerts, Devers, Vazquez, or Verdugo. If Casas, Downs, Dalbec and Duran pan out that is a solid young lineup. There is also hope that Benintendi snaps out of it.
As Chris and Ian like to say relievers are fungible. So if Sale comes back possibly better than he's been for years (his elbow issues date to his last year with the White Sox) and Rodriquez comes back then along with Eovaldi they have the makings of a decent rotation. Add to that the possibility of a high draft pick (if MLB does not screw the Sox) and a salary cap reset then I team could be looking at a very quick turnaround.
Also...Bring back Cora.
|
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 17, 2020 20:12:22 GMT -5
His star has dimmed a little but if the Astros love Workman maybe the Sox could deal Workman and someone else? |
|
|
|
Post by Smittyw on Aug 17, 2020 20:25:34 GMT -5
Hard to get into this trade season...I guess I just don't buy the notions that a) there is likely to be any major trade movement this year, and b) the sorts of pieces we'll be looking to sell (Workman, JBJ, Moreland, even Martinez) are going to bring back anything terribly exciting.
|
|
|
|
Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2020 20:31:44 GMT -5
Hard to get into this trade season...I guess I just don't buy the notions that a) there is likely to be any major trade movement this year, and b) the sorts of pieces we'll be looking to sell (Workman, JBJ, Moreland, even Martinez) are going to bring back anything terribly exciting. It is really hard to imagine rental trades in a season that might not make it to the World Series. |
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2020 6:02:07 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 18, 2020 6:19:52 GMT -5
Can't afford to trade Verdugo. But Clevinger would be an excellent target for a smart organization. Plesac too. |
|
|
|
Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2020 6:59:11 GMT -5
Can't afford to trade Verdugo. But Clevinger would be an excellent target for a smart organization. Plesac too. That general logic will net you the same team in 2021 as 2020. If you like the 2020 team, it's solid logic. |
|
|
|
Post by snygren1 on Aug 18, 2020 8:02:08 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by James Dunne on Aug 18, 2020 8:49:10 GMT -5
Can't afford to trade Verdugo. But Clevinger would be an excellent target for a smart organization. Plesac too. Not saying they should, but why couldn't they afford to trade Verdugo? |
|
|
|
Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 9:32:11 GMT -5
Can't afford to trade Verdugo. But Clevinger would be an excellent target for a smart organization. Plesac too. Not saying they should, but why couldn't they afford to trade Verdugo? Optics for one. He's arguably the most exciting guy they have, people and the media are finally coming around on him (as mookie rakes in the distance) and suddenly he's gone? |
|
|
|
Post by manfred on Aug 18, 2020 9:37:11 GMT -5
Not saying they should, but why couldn't they afford to trade Verdugo? Optics for one. He's arguably the most exciting guy they have, people and the media are finally coming around on him (as mookie rakes in the distance) and suddenly he's gone? I think it is fair to say optics are out the window at this point in that arena. And all the mathematicians on this board won’t care. What is the $:year:WAR ratio of the return? It is all that matters. |
|
|
|
Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 9:43:48 GMT -5
Optics for one. He's arguably the most exciting guy they have, people and the media are finally coming around on him (as mookie rakes in the distance) and suddenly he's gone? I think it is fair to say optics are out the window at this point in that arena. And all the mathematicians on this board won’t care. What is the $:year:WAR ratio of the return? It is all that matters. I'd have to look, but optics absolutely matter to the red sox ownership. Trading a 24yr old outfielder for a 30yr old SP who's teammates voted to demote because he put a leukemia survivor and manager with chronic health issues at risk. Not to mention the dude has already cheated on his wife and caused a ton of drama there. I'm all set with him. |
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 18, 2020 9:47:52 GMT -5
I think it is fair to say optics are out the window at this point in that arena. And all the mathematicians on this board won’t care. What is the $:year:WAR ratio of the return? It is all that matters. I'd have to look, but optics absolutely matter to the red sox ownership. Trading a 24yr old outfielder for a 30yr old SP who's teammates voted to demote because he put a leukemia survivor and manager with chronic health issues at risk. Not to mention the dude has already cheated on his wife and caused a ton of drama there. I'm all set with him. I'd take him in a heartbeat but you need young offensive building blocks. Devers Xander and Verdugo are those with maybe Benny if he can figure it out. You don't trade those for 30 year old pitchers if you're not close to contending. But Clevinger and Plesac are absolutely two players to try and buy low on. This will blow over and the Sox could potentially get two controlled arms for 50 cents on the dollar. I'd also bet that over 50% of professional athletes cheat on their wives. Hell over 50% of people cheat on their spouses. You don't need to be a professional athlete to be tempted. |
|
|
|
Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 9:49:10 GMT -5
I'd have to look, but optics absolutely matter to the red sox ownership. Trading a 24yr old outfielder for a 30yr old SP who's teammates voted to demote because he put a leukemia survivor and manager with chronic health issues at risk. Not to mention the dude has already cheated on his wife and caused a ton of drama there. I'm all set with him. I'd take him in a heartbeat but you need young offensive building blocks. Devers Xander and Verdugo are those with maybe Benny if he can figure it out. You don't trade those for 30 year old pitchers if you're not close to contending. But Clevinger and Plesac are absolutely two players to try and buy low on. This will blow over and the Sox could potentially get two controlled arms for 50 cents on the dollar. The article didn't have them getting both for verdugo, just one |
|
