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8/20-8/23 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Aug 20, 2020 11:14:54 GMT -5
8/20 Red Sox (RHP Nathan Eovaldi, 1-2, 5.93, 27.1 IP, 27K:5BB) @ Orioles (RHP Asher Wojciechowski, 1-2, 4.34, 18.2 IP, 17K:6BB) 7:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/21 Red Sox (TBD) @ Orioles (LHP John Means, 0-1, 10.57, 7.2 IP, 6K:2BB) 7:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/22 Red Sox (LHP Martin Perez, 2-3, 4.07, 24.1 IP, 17K:14BB) @ Orioles (RHP Alex Cobb, 1-2, 3.76, 26.1 IP, 21K:9BB) 7:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/23 Red Sox (RHP Zack Godley, 0-2, 6.87, 18.1 IP, 18K:7BB) @ Orioles (LHP Wade LeBlanc, 1-0, 7.89, 21.2 IP, 13K:7BB) 1:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2020: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 11:17:28 GMT -5
Can Eovaldi keep his ERA under 6.00? That’s our #3 (best case scenario) next season!
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 20, 2020 11:23:45 GMT -5
Should be an interesting series. Orioles are exceeding expectations and competing for a playoff spot, but they’re skidding (lost four in a row). This series could go any way.
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 20, 2020 11:51:28 GMT -5
Can Eovaldi keep his ERA under 6.00? That’s our #3 (best case scenario) next season! #3? Who are you projecting to be #1 & #2?
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 11:55:30 GMT -5
Can Eovaldi keep his ERA under 6.00? That’s our #3 (best case scenario) next season! #3? Who are you projecting to be #1 & #2? Well, assuming ERod and Sale give them anything. 1/2 season of mostly ok of one of those guys is our 1 or 2. Fair question, though. I am being optimistic.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 20, 2020 12:12:19 GMT -5
#3? Who are you projecting to be #1 & #2? Well, assuming ERod and Sale give them anything. 1/2 season of mostly ok of one of those guys is our 1 or 2. Fair question, though. I am being optimistic. In the best case scenario they pick up a free agent pitcher who's better than Eovaldi. In fact I doubt there's any scenario where they don't.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 12:12:55 GMT -5
Well, assuming ERod and Sale give them anything. 1/2 season of mostly ok of one of those guys is our 1 or 2. Fair question, though. I am being optimistic. In the best case scenario they pick up a free agent pitcher who's better than Eovaldi. In fact I doubt there's any scenario where they don't. Depending on who and how much, I’m not sure that is best case.
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 20, 2020 12:27:57 GMT -5
Ace - Acquisition #1 - Acquisition #2 - Acquisition #3 - Acquisition #4 - E. Rod #5 - Eovaldi #6 - Perez (if his option is picked up)
Isn’t this a more accurate description of the state of the SP for the start of 2021?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2020 12:29:44 GMT -5
You expect them to have a seven-man rotation fronted by four acquisitions?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 20, 2020 12:37:56 GMT -5
Ace - Acquisition #1 - Acquisition #2 - Acquisition #3 - Acquisition #4 - E. Rod #5 - Eovaldi #6 - Perez (if his option is picked up) Isn’t this a more accurate description of the state of the SP for the start of 2021? Are you going to be pissed at Chaim if he doesn't roll with a 7 man rotation?
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 20, 2020 12:40:51 GMT -5
You expect them to have a seven-man rotation fronted by four acquisitions? Why do you have to try & spin what I’ve posted into something that I didn’t say? This, I believe, is an accurate description of where the current teams make up of SP stands. Where the current players should slot into and what is missing.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 12:44:05 GMT -5
Ace - Acquisition #1 - Acquisition #2 - Acquisition #3 - Acquisition #4 - E. Rod #5 - Eovaldi #6 - Perez (if his option is picked up) Isn’t this a more accurate description of the state of the SP for the start of 2021? I’m assuming this is hyperbole, but as I have said before, the acquisition slots can’t be easily filled while maintaining a good course for the future. Do we want to sign onto years of Trevor Bauer? Or give up needed (and rare) valuable pieces for someone? I’m not saying there is zero way... but it is hard to imagine getting multiple guys who slot ahead of what we have. Especially in a way that doesn’t create one more headache down the line. I’d prefer to get right where we can for next season... either putting the guy we want for years to come where he belongs or laying the foundation (so, for example, I accept a one-year bridge to Downs at 2B as a good move). Then, when things are set, get starters last. The FA market will be better in two years, and maybe Mata and/or Groome will be ready. That is where I’d be looking. Edit: ok, actually I’d say there is zero way to get four pitchers who slot ahead of a healthy ERod. He is very good. That would be an insane and costly staff.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 20, 2020 13:02:11 GMT -5
Darwinzon activated and Arroyo DFA'ed. Quick stay for Arroyo.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 13:04:45 GMT -5
Darwinzon activated and Arroyo DFA'ed. Quick stay for Arroyo. Musical chairs!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 20, 2020 13:16:29 GMT -5
Darwinzon activated and Arroyo DFA'ed. Quick stay for Arroyo. I was pretty much expecting the Arroyo part, they went through it in the hopes that nobody will claim him. As for Darwinzon, I'm not convinced he's ready yet. On the other hand nothing to lose.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2020 13:23:12 GMT -5
Every time I see Arroyo, a bit of me gets excited thinking Bronson is still kicking around.
I think 2021's optics depends on Chris Sale's projection (June, July, August?) and if E-Rod will be able to recover from his heart condition and play at a high level. 2021 has a chance to be another bridge year though hopefully with better starters like Groome. Signing 1 starter if Chris Sale won't be back until September and E-Rod out indefinitely isn't going to change things much.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Aug 20, 2020 13:39:21 GMT -5
Ace - Acquisition #1 - Acquisition #2 - Acquisition #3 - Acquisition #4 - E. Rod #5 - Eovaldi #6 - Perez (if his option is picked up) Isn’t this a more accurate description of the state of the SP for the start of 2021? Let's all live in your world where obviously money is not a thing. Next summer I will be watching every Sox game from my 70 foot yacht. The only problem is that there are not even 4 SP available on the market next winter who would project to be better than Rodriguez. So I am not sure why he is your #5 in your 7 man rotation. Also no one available is really what anyone would call an Ace.... so I guess that we will just have to wow team with a package that somehow no other team tops though almost every team in baseball has more near MLB ready talent than we do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 20, 2020 13:45:17 GMT -5
You expect them to have a seven-man rotation fronted by four acquisitions? Why do you have to try & spin what I’ve posted into something that I didn’t say? This, I believe, is an accurate description of where the current teams make up of SP stands. Where the current players should slot into and what is missing. ERod was 6th in voting for the 2019 Cy Young award and you think slotting him in at #4 is accurate? So a rotations top three need to be clear cut #1 type pitchers?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 20, 2020 13:48:39 GMT -5
Every time I see Arroyo, a bit of me gets excited thinking Bronson is still kicking around. I think 2021's optics depends on Chris Sale's projection (June, July, August?) and if E-Rod will be able to recover from his heart condition and play at a high level. 2021 has a chance to be another bridge year though hopefully with better starters like Groome. Signing 1 starter if Chris Sale won't be back until September and E-Rod out indefinitely isn't going to change things much. Start of July is 15 months and end of July is 16 months, after surgery. That's my target range for him. I wouldn't rush him. I'd rather wait and get him 100%.
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Post by jkfer98 on Aug 20, 2020 14:25:30 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't the place to discuss this, but what do people expect Bauer to get in free agency? Obviously he's been terrific this year, but prior to that he's really only had one season where I'd consider him to be #1 starter material. Maybe around what Lester got (6 years, $155 million plus a team option for a 7th year)?
EDIT: Just realized that Bauer has claimed he'll only be signing 1 year deals in free agency moving forward. We'll see if he sticks with that once the big offers start coming his way, but if he actually does, that seems like an ideal scenario for the Red Sox. If the luxury tax resets and ownership doesn't care about how much money they spend, overpay for him for a year and see what you got!
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 14:28:07 GMT -5
As a full member of the let’s lose now club, I would be happy to see a rotation at the open of next season of ERod, Eovaldi, Perez, Weber, and Hart. Much preferable to a pricey band-aid. As I’ve said before, if there is a wad of dough, then sure, get a one-year filler who is cleared from the books in 2021. But only if it is an affordable luxury.
And this IS rooting for them to win... in 2021, when it next seems plausible.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2020 15:05:26 GMT -5
You expect them to have a seven-man rotation fronted by four acquisitions? Why do you have to try & spin what I’ve posted into something that I didn’t say? This, I believe, is an accurate description of where the current teams make up of SP stands. Where the current players should slot into and what is missing. How did I spin it? You listed four acquisitions pitching in front of Rodriguez, Eovaldi and Perez. Literally the next post thought you said the same thing! I still have no idea what your post is supposed to mean. What four acquisitions would you like them to make such that Eovaldi goes to, I dunno, Worcester I guess?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 20, 2020 15:05:58 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't the place to discuss this, but what do people expect Bauer to get in free agency? Obviously he's been terrific this year, but prior to that he's really only had one season where I'd consider him to be #1 starter material. Maybe around what Lester got (6 years, $155 million plus a team option for a 7th year)? EDIT: Just realized that Bauer has claimed he'll only be signing 1 year deals in free agency moving forward. We'll see if he sticks with that once the big offers start coming his way, but if he actually does, that seems like an ideal scenario for the Red Sox. If the luxury tax resets and ownership doesn't care about how much money they spend, overpay for him for a year and see what you got! Bauer on a 1 year deal would be a nice pickup but if they are doing a long-term rebuild, I can imagine there would be at least 15 other teams knocking down his door willing to make a lucrative 1 year commitment. Unless the Sox give him $35 million for the year why would he want to go to a rebuilding situation in Boston when he can go to a team well into their contention window?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 20, 2020 15:07:22 GMT -5
Why do you have to try & spin what I’ve posted into something that I didn’t say? This, I believe, is an accurate description of where the current teams make up of SP stands. Where the current players should slot into and what is missing. How did I spin it? You listed four acquisitions pitching in front of Rodriguez, Eovaldi and Perez. Literally the next post thought you said the same thing! I still have no idea what your post is supposed to mean. What four acquisitions would you like them to make such that Eovaldi goes to, I dunno, Worcester I guess? Well you know if Bloom can't unearth 3 aces to put in front of E-Rod (I think Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine are available!), then demainah will tell you that's a good reason to fire Bloom.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 15:09:52 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't the place to discuss this, but what do people expect Bauer to get in free agency? Obviously he's been terrific this year, but prior to that he's really only had one season where I'd consider him to be #1 starter material. Maybe around what Lester got (6 years, $155 million plus a team option for a 7th year)? EDIT: Just realized that Bauer has claimed he'll only be signing 1 year deals in free agency moving forward. We'll see if he sticks with that once the big offers start coming his way, but if he actually does, that seems like an ideal scenario for the Red Sox. If the luxury tax resets and ownership doesn't care about how much money they spend, overpay for him for a year and see what you got! Bauer on a 1 year deal would be a nice pickup but if they are doing a long-term rebuild, I can imagine there would be at least 15 other teams knocking down his door willing to make a lucrative 1 year commitment. Unless the Sox give him $35 million for the year why would he want to go to a rebuilding situation in Boston when he can go to a team well into their contention window? Pass on Bauer. Can’t listen to him for a year.
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