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Post by mobaz on Sept 4, 2020 13:24:55 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Sept 4, 2020 13:27:17 GMT -5
Seems shortsighted to invest in the team at the major league level, pay the minor league players, but cut corners in the talent acquisition side of a team that is in last place with no ML ready top prospects and a huge offseason ahead.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2020 13:32:27 GMT -5
If only they were as careful about spending on bad contracts for players. The people they're axing make peanuts compared to what the RS blow on a single Sandoval, Sale or Eovaldi contract.
Classic corporate mismanagement.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 4, 2020 13:34:18 GMT -5
These scouts would be scouting what, exactly, at the moment or for the next six months?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 4, 2020 13:42:12 GMT -5
Well with Covid, no minor league games and high school and College Sports crazy limited it makes sense. I don't believe in just paying people who have nothing to do, because someone thinks it's the right thing. That's not smart business and the Red Sox are a business. Plus I'd bet part of this is our GM looking to bring in his guys. These guys were on their way out, with nothing to do. I don't see this as the Red Sox just being cheap, they have really never done that under Henry with the front office.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 4, 2020 13:46:26 GMT -5
These scouts would be scouting what, exactly, at the moment or for the next six months? BB players. They could look at film, write reports, talk to contacts they have in the amateur ranks. It's not customary for teams to lay off all their scouts each off-season just because there's no BB being played in the US. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 4, 2020 13:58:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately this entire pandemic has been a stark reminder to a lot of us how the world of business is incredibly unfair to the common man.
Big businesses are cutting costs so they can continue to keep lining their executives pockets with piles of dough while average joe is out there living paycheck to paycheck.
Unfortunate to say the least. But as someone who inspires to be an entrepreneur myself I understand.
One of those “life sucks” kind of things.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 4, 2020 14:00:36 GMT -5
These scouts would be scouting what, exactly, at the moment or for the next six months? BB players. They could look at film, write reports, talk to contacts they have in the amateur ranks. It's not customary for teams to lay off all their scouts each off-season just because there's no BB being played in the US. I'm assuming there won't be much in the way of fall ball and winter leagues this year. Hence they don't need them. They didn't layoff the whole department, not even close. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 4, 2020 14:13:29 GMT -5
Nightengale said the Yankees did much more. I thought they print money. By the way any chance I get to bust there chops I will gladly take.
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Post by manfred on Sept 4, 2020 14:18:27 GMT -5
Good to tank the season, jettison stars, save ownership tons of money, then lay off the rank and file. Cool.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 4, 2020 15:14:13 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 4, 2020 15:16:39 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 4, 2020 17:02:48 GMT -5
Context, we might add, that Nightingale never bothers with. It stands to reason that a review of the staff positions is typical for a new GM. The virus has, however, colored every move, so we get the comparison to the Cubs and Yankees.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 5, 2020 11:02:37 GMT -5
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 5, 2020 11:47:21 GMT -5
They could always bring them back, or hire replacements, as the economic landscape improves. This is only a temporary measure.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 5, 2020 13:44:20 GMT -5
Well if they paid them and let them go early it's certainly a courtesy. Prime example of everything wrong with the news now a days. They spin everything to make a story!
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Post by manfred on Sept 5, 2020 14:06:53 GMT -5
Well if they paid them and let them go early it's certainly a courtesy. Prime example of everything wrong with the news now a days. They spin everything to make a story! Mea culpa... I jumped on the org too soon. Maybe, since it was the news that better informed me, I am the problem as a hasty reader, not the news that sometimes can be slow (meaning not instant) to develop. |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 6, 2020 6:40:56 GMT -5
Well if they paid them and let them go early it's certainly a courtesy. Prime example of everything wrong with the news now a days. They spin everything to make a story! Mea culpa... I jumped on the org too soon. Maybe, since it was the news that better informed me, I am the problem as a hasty reader, not the news that sometimes can be slow (meaning not instant) to develop. Agreed. Im sorry I posted something that turned out to be a load of crap. There were originally 2 Nightingale tweets I posted, but one disappeared along the way. I guess he realized it was a garbage view. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 6, 2020 13:21:37 GMT -5
They could always bring them back, or hire replacements, as the economic landscape improves. This is only a temporary measure. The report is that they're restructuring those departments. In other words, I would not expect them to be hired back, nor do I expect those positions to remain. Now, they might create new ones, but they may have already created those new positions last year and were just going to let those guys go when their contracts were up. |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 17, 2020 18:02:21 GMT -5
...the profound impact of this ongoing pandemic. While we recognize that nothing can replace the security of a full-time job, we have set up a number of assistance measures including severance pay, healthcare, and outplacement support to help them find new opportunities. ...
We are grateful for the enormous contributions of these employees and we will support them as they navigate this difficult transition.”
On Sept. 4, the Red Sox also laid off nine members of their scouting and player development staff.
Actual layoffs this time, per Sam Kennedy.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 17, 2020 18:09:47 GMT -5
More from Speier:
Confirming @jcmccaffrey, the Red Sox have laid off 10 percent of their full-time baseball operations and business operations staff. That figure includes the nine baseball ops staffers (4 in pro scouting, 3 in player devel, 2 in amateur scouting) who were informed earlier this month that their contracts wouldn’t be renewed for 2021. There were more than 400 full-time employees in those departments, meaning that 40+ Red Sox employees have lost jobs. (Do not have the precise figure yet.)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2020 19:52:06 GMT -5
Less than a week ago I read that the Braves then the Dodgers laid off a bunch of pro scouts which seems odd for big money teams heading into the playoffs. Maybe this is a harbinger of things to come with all the data now available to teams.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 17, 2020 21:49:06 GMT -5
Less than a week ago I read that the Braves then the Dodgers laid off a bunch of pro scouts which seems odd for big money teams heading into the playoffs. Maybe this is a harbinger of things to come with all the data now available to teams. I get that the analytical aspect has taken off so much and it's a new way to look at things, but believe myself it should only be used in addition to a good old fashioned pair of eyes, rather than as a replacement to them. Will be curious few years down the road the few teams which down can the majority of scouting department and use analytics, how they fare vs teams with those who pretty much gutted their old scouting in all regards, especially when looking for young kids to draft and sign. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2020 22:12:35 GMT -5
Less than a week ago I read that the Braves then the Dodgers laid off a bunch of pro scouts which seems odd for big money teams heading into the playoffs. Maybe this is a harbinger of things to come with all the data now available to teams. I get that the analytical aspect has taken off so much and it's a new way to look at things, but believe myself it should only be used in addition to a good old fashioned pair of eyes, rather than as a replacement to them. Will be curious few years down the road the few teams which down can the majority of scouting department and use analytics, how they fare vs teams with those who pretty much gutted their old scouting in all regards, especially when looking for young kids to draft and sign. Pro scouts are losing their jobs not amateur scouts. Two different things. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 18, 2020 10:57:01 GMT -5
Note the layoffs weren't just in baseball ops. I see people acting like it was just baseball ops, but it was business too.
Still sucks, but it's not like they just gutted things on the baseball side because F scouts we can use computers. It was a general decrease in workforce.
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