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Post by ortiz34 on Jan 22, 2021 14:03:18 GMT -5
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Post by Canseco on Jan 22, 2021 14:08:41 GMT -5
Four years? Thank you, but no. Spend this cash on JBJ, who will remain, based on his instincts and elite jumps, a very good defensive CF/RF well into his 30s. Ozuna, like JDM, is a defensive liability. Keep the latter as DH, and then use a platoon there on days he doesn’t play.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 22, 2021 14:15:13 GMT -5
Four years? Thank you, but no. Spend this cash on JBJ, who will remain, based on his instincts and elite jumps, a very good defensive CF/RF well into his 30s. Ozuna, like JDM, is a defensive liability. Keep the latter as DH, and then use a platoon there on days he doesn’t play. Agree on the Ozuna front. Not the JBJ one. The Sox have Casas, Devers, Dalbec, all at the 3rd base, 1rst base, and DH positions coming up. There won't be room for a guy like Ozuna who has limited time in LF before he becomes a pumpkin out there.
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Post by manfred on Jan 22, 2021 14:18:01 GMT -5
I think Ozuna actually makes sense, especially if Beni is on the way out. He will still be in his prime hen the Sox are actually ready to compete, and he is an offensive improvement now. Sooner or later he could slot in JDM’s place.
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 22, 2021 14:21:48 GMT -5
As much as I would love Ozuna's bat in the lineup. I don't see how he fits defensively or financially for that matter. I would think he would be around $15M-$16M per year (half of remaining cap space) given the recent Brantley deal. Only way it would make a little sense would be if they were trading JDM this off-season.
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Post by basbal24 on Jan 22, 2021 14:37:53 GMT -5
He is the best talent with no Draft pick in play-Gives The lineup to play the 12 -11 games which we will need since we have to wait for pitching
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Post by kingstephanos on Jan 22, 2021 14:43:15 GMT -5
He is the best talent with no Draft pick in play-Gives The lineup to play the 12 -11 games which we will need since we have to wait for pitching Haha
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Post by manfred on Jan 22, 2021 14:45:57 GMT -5
As much as I would love Ozuna's bat in the lineup. I don't see how he fits defensively or financially for that matter. I would think he would be around $15M-$16M per year (half of remaining cap space) given the recent Brantley deal. Only way it would make a little sense would be if they were trading JDM this off-season. Assuming they need other moves. If they signed Ozuna and kept Beni, they’d move Verdugo to CF, eat a bad defensive outfield. Play Arroyo or whatever at 2B. Run out the starters they have: ERod, Eovaldi, Perez, Pivetta, Houck (Sale).... done. Are they weak in spots? Definitely. But are they in range of dramatic improvement? No.
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Post by tyler3 on Jan 22, 2021 14:47:12 GMT -5
That bat would play. Left field at Fenway can be pretty forgiving for a slugger (Manny).
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Post by incandenza on Jan 22, 2021 14:48:05 GMT -5
As much as I would love Ozuna's bat in the lineup. I don't see how he fits defensively or financially for that matter. I would think he would be around $15M-$16M per year (half of remaining cap space) given the recent Brantley deal. Only way it would make a little sense would be if they were trading JDM this off-season. Presumably they'd be trading Benintendi in this scenario, so replacing his $5 million this year with ~$16-17 million for Ozuna just adds ~$12 million to payroll, and the difference would be even less for 2022. And if they get some affordable pitching in the Beni trade that addresses another of the team's needs. I think they'd still have room to sign JBJ, though I can never really follow the financial side of things.
Haha. Well I think this team will need a couple things to go right in the starting rotation to be competitive in any event, like a breakout from either Pivetta or Houck and a return to form from ERod. But if that happens, and they add Ozuna's offense and keep JBJ's defense, and whatever pitching they get in a Beni trade, I'd feel pretty optimistic going into this season.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 22, 2021 14:50:42 GMT -5
I'd pay up for Ozuna. Bloom won't though.
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Post by mikeyg413 on Jan 22, 2021 14:50:57 GMT -5
I think Ozuna would make sense. I’d much rather sign Ozuna and then trade Benintendi for some pitching help. It also gives you more options in the future to ship off Dalbec as well if they want to decide he’s a full time DH.
Edit: I totally somehow forgot they still have JD lol but point still stands. I think it gives them more options to to land more pitching if they decide to ship off Beni.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 22, 2021 15:04:54 GMT -5
Talk to me when it's not Gomez reporting this. He's been totally wrong about everything
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 22, 2021 15:24:12 GMT -5
By time the Red Sox are seriously competitive Ozuna will have seen his best days. Don't see any reason to get the soon-to-be DH. Good bat, but unless Benintendi or JDM are dealt, it doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't be surprised if within a year or two Devers will wind up needing to be the DH.
I don't see the Red Sox signing Ozuna. I think it's more due diligence and nothing more. They're not going to spend the money Ozuna is looking for. Some other team will.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 22, 2021 15:26:47 GMT -5
Are there reports to back up he wants 15-17 million? I would think he wants 20 million plus.
I'd rather pay Ozuna four years 60 million, than Bradley for three years at 10-12 million per.
Yet this again feels like Bloom is only in if he has no market and the contract is crazy low, versus he actually wants him.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 22, 2021 15:57:55 GMT -5
By time the Red Sox are seriously competitive Ozuna will have seen his best days. Don't see any reason to get the soon-to-be DH. Good bat, but unless Benintendi or JDM are dealt, it doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't be surprised if within a year or two Devers will wind up needing to be the DH. I don't see the Red Sox signing Ozuna. I think it's more due diligence and nothing more. They're not going to spend the money Ozuna is looking for. Some other team will. Maybe he's worth the price and maybe not, but I don't really see the roster construction issues people are pointing to. I think he could handle LF for two years until JDM leaves. I think Devers' defense is more likely to improve than not so no need to hold the DH spot open for him. I certainly wouldn't worry about blocking Dalbec, or even Casas who is still a ways away. It's true that it would only make sense to sign him if they traded Benintendi but there have been rumors about them doing exactly that.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 22, 2021 16:01:50 GMT -5
Are there reports to back up he wants 15-17 million? I would think he wants 20 million plus. I'd rather pay Ozuna four years 60 million, than Bradley for three years at 10-12 million per. Yet this again feels like Bloom is only in if he has no market and the contract is crazy low, versus he actually wants him. This is exactly why I've been comparing Bloom on here to Don Sweeney. If the contract is an absolute bargain he'll sign him. Otherwise, well we tried but signing free agents is really difficult!
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Post by fenwaymabe on Jan 22, 2021 17:35:35 GMT -5
No, no, no! We already have JD. So Ozuna puts up a monster season in his walk year. Look at the track record. When he's healthy and right, he's been good, but nowhere near what he did last year save one season in Miami. If he was strictly a DH, then fine. We've got JD for that. We can't keep packing the 25 man roster with defensive misfits. Eventually it will catch up to us and hamstring our roster flexibility. Positional versatility is what makes teams like the Dodgers and Rays so successful. In a vacuum, Ozuna is great. In the context of the Red Sox roster, it's not a great fit unless we move JD.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jan 22, 2021 22:49:04 GMT -5
Only way this makes sense to me is if we are trading JD Martinez....which I wouldn't necessarily hate to improve the farm.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 23, 2021 11:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 23, 2021 11:27:49 GMT -5
Yankees being interested seems weird. How many right handed hitting DHs do they need.
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 23, 2021 11:36:13 GMT -5
Yankees being interested seems weird. How many right handed hitting DHs do they need. That smells to me like the Yankees "think" the Red Sox might be serious and are trying to muddy the waters a bit. He doesn't seem like an obvious match for the Mets or Dodgers either who would both need him to play in a spacious OF.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 23, 2021 11:59:55 GMT -5
Yankees being interested seems weird. How many right handed hitting DHs do they need. That smells to me like the Yankees "think" the Red Sox might be serious and are trying to muddy the waters a bit. He doesn't seem like an obvious match for the Mets or Dodgers either who would both need him to play in a spacious OF. Maybe, I dont want ozuna on the Sox though. He's best used as a DH, he's a liability in the outfield. I know the sox have had great dhs for a long time with Ortiz and JD but I'd prefer not to spend big bucks for the dh position going forward.
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Post by benzinger on Jan 23, 2021 12:12:28 GMT -5
That smells to me like the Yankees "think" the Red Sox might be serious and are trying to muddy the waters a bit. He doesn't seem like an obvious match for the Mets or Dodgers either who would both need him to play in a spacious OF. Maybe, I dont want ozuna on the Sox though. He's best used as a DH, he's a liability in the outfield. I know the sox have had great dhs for a long time with Ortiz and JD but I'd prefer not to spend big bucks for the dh position going forward. The media likes to involve the Yankees with just about every good free agent on the market anyway. It generates clicks that wouldn’t be there otherwise. But it makes very little sense for them to go over the tax for another righty like Ozuna. Meanwhile, I think he could play LF in Fenway just fine(at least until JD is gone)?? I just doubt they break the bank on anyone this Winter.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 23, 2021 17:40:49 GMT -5
Maybe, I dont want ozuna on the Sox though. He's best used as a DH, he's a liability in the outfield. I know the sox have had great dhs for a long time with Ortiz and JD but I'd prefer not to spend big bucks for the dh position going forward. The media likes to involve the Yankees with just about every good free agent on the market anyway. It generates clicks that wouldn’t be there otherwise. But it makes very little sense for them to go over the tax for another righty like Ozuna. Meanwhile, I think he could play LF in Fenway just fine(at least until JD is gone)?? I just doubt they break the bank on anyone this Winter. I think you're right, but I don't think it's the media doing it. These leaks likely come from the agents and the agents want LA, BOS, NYY on every player they represent to increase the bidding.
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