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Post by Addam603 on Nov 22, 2023 12:24:08 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Nov 22, 2023 15:10:41 GMT -5
do we think he may get some time in the OF (left to be precise) if he’s becoming a little more athletic?
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Post by 0ap0 on Nov 23, 2023 15:07:23 GMT -5
BSOHL!!!11!!1
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 24, 2023 9:25:44 GMT -5
do we think he may get some time in the OF (left to be precise) if he’s becoming a little more athletic? You'd like to think they'd explore it as it only increases his value if he can be a near league average as a LF. The BSOHL study showed it had no effect on hitting but players missed a few less games however their defense did improve. We'll see.
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 24, 2023 11:03:53 GMT -5
I think he gets criminally underrated here as a soon to be true 21 year old in AA
If he puts up good offensive numbers this year he will probably be a top 100 prospect
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 24, 2023 11:29:47 GMT -5
Blaze is real slow, I wouldn't count on him ever playing an acceptable major league OF
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Nov 24, 2023 14:08:08 GMT -5
Blaze is real slow, I wouldn't count on him ever playing an acceptable major league OF I saw him play 1B twice this summer and thought he looked good there. There was one particular play that stood out for Blaze and Yorke when Blaze cut off a throw to the plate and threw to Nick to nab the runner trying to take 2B. Both were clearly communicating with each other and had thought that play ahead. If Blaze is capable at 3b as well, I can see him as a very useful 3B, 1B , DH if he stays around with this core group. He hits the ball extremely hard !!
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 24, 2023 14:13:01 GMT -5
Blaze is real slow, I wouldn't count on him ever playing an acceptable major league OF I've been hoping for the past year they tried converting him to an outfielder (left). He has been a surprise to me, as I thought we'd see more power and more swing and miss. His hit tool, in my opinion, has been impressive. He is young and I love he is trying, by losing that extra weight, to be more of an athlete. Right-handed power in Fenway is not to be overlooked. Let's face it, he will never be our first baseman or our 3rd baseman. I like his attitude and wouldn't be shocked if he starts pounding on the door.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Nov 24, 2023 15:20:00 GMT -5
Blaze is real slow, I wouldn't count on him ever playing an acceptable major league OF I've been hoping for the past year they tried converting him to an outfielder (left). He has been a surprise to me, as I thought we'd see more power and more swing and miss. His hit tool, in my opinion, has been impressive. He is young and I love he is trying, by losing that extra weight, to be more of an athlete. Right-handed power in Fenway is not to be overlooked. Let's face it, he will never be our first baseman or our 3rd baseman. I like his attitude and wouldn't be shocked if he starts pounding on the door. Absolutely with Devers and Casas locked in to those spots. But if the bat plays, he could be a more valuable contributor in a reserve roll by being able to play those positions. If dropping some weight results in a quicker swing, yea I would anticipate a big jump forward in 2024.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 24, 2023 16:44:46 GMT -5
For reference, remember that he basically said that his anxiety/depression issues had a part in creating weight gain issues for him.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Nov 24, 2023 22:42:43 GMT -5
To me, Jordan is almost as much of a hitting outlier as Rafaela in the minors, though their outlying stats are entirely different. With Rafaela, he was able to hit besides chasing; for Jordan, his outlier calling card is his very low K%, even though power is his calling card. It's surprising to me that someone who can hit the ball hard and far like he can also avoids K'ing like he can. I could see him make a big jump as a hitter if his BABIP improves.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Nov 25, 2023 9:23:21 GMT -5
I think he gets criminally underrated here as a soon to be true 21 year old in AA If he puts up good offensive numbers this year he will probably be a top 100 prospect I agree. Unless the rankings are factoring in hid depression and anxiety issue. He is younger than Yorke, at the same level and with at least equal hitting stats. i know he is not a great defender, but then neither is Yorke, Jordan would be in my top ten. He might not be the starter at first or 3rd, but he could back up both spots and dh some. Sort of like Turner did this year.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Nov 25, 2023 10:07:20 GMT -5
I think he gets criminally underrated here as a soon to be true 21 year old in AA If he puts up good offensive numbers this year he will probably be a top 100 prospect I agree. Unless the rankings are factoring in hid depression and anxiety issue. He is younger than Yorke, at the same level and with at least equal hitting stats. i know he is not a great defender, but then neither is Yorke, Jordan would be in my top ten. He might not be the starter at first or 3rd, but he could back up both spots and dh some. Sort of like Turner did this year. Yorke’s Portland wOBA was 40 points higher, so their hitting stats are far from equal. And there’s a big difference between being a fringy 2B and a backup 1B.
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Post by pappyman99 on Nov 25, 2023 10:11:22 GMT -5
I agree. Unless the rankings are factoring in hid depression and anxiety issue. He is younger than Yorke, at the same level and with at least equal hitting stats. i know he is not a great defender, but then neither is Yorke, Jordan would be in my top ten. He might not be the starter at first or 3rd, but he could back up both spots and dh some. Sort of like Turner did this year. Yorke’s Portland wOBA was 40 points higher, so their hitting stats are far from equal. And there’s a big difference between being a fringy 2B and a backup 1B. But is a year younger. He was 20 in aa this past offseason I said “if” he puts up good numbers next year.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Nov 25, 2023 11:36:44 GMT -5
Yorke’s Portland wOBA was 40 points higher, so their hitting stats are far from equal. And there’s a big difference between being a fringy 2B and a backup 1B. But is a year younger. He was 20 in aa this past offseason I said “if” he puts up good numbers next year. I agree, pappy. We've had guys come to AA and hit well early, then regress. (Lars, Exposito, etc.) If someone is going to be aggressively promoted, like Jordan, I'm perfectly comfortable with the numbers he put up in his first taste as a base. Now let's see if he can build on that next season.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 25, 2023 12:55:09 GMT -5
My biggest concern is that the reports I recall have been that he's struggled against velocity and his HR's have mostly come against off speed pitches. I'm intrigued, but a little skeptical if it's accurate that he struggles with velocity.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 26, 2023 1:08:08 GMT -5
My biggest concern is that the reports I recall have been that he's struggled against velocity and his HR's have mostly come against off speed pitches. I'm intrigued, but a little skeptical if it's accurate that he struggles with velocity. But oh, those homers!!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 27, 2023 10:17:20 GMT -5
To me, Jordan is almost as much of a hitting outlier as Rafaela in the minors, though their outlying stats are entirely different. With Rafaela, he was able to hit besides chasing; for Jordan, his outlier calling card is his very low K%, even though power is his calling card. It's surprising to me that someone who can hit the ball hard and far like he can also avoids K'ing like he can. I could see him make a big jump as a hitter if his BABIP improves. It's funny you mention Rafaela. Jordan actually saw fewer pitches per plate appearance than Rafaela did last year. 3.30 in High-A and 3.23 in Double-A. Latter number is the lowest among players in the system with 50 PA at a level above the complexes. Former is 5th lowest. Rafaela (3.58 in AA, 3.70 in AAA) chases more (40% at both levels compared to 31% at both levels for Jordan). If I were to hazard a guess, I would bet teams felt a little more comfortable attacking Jordan, especially with good velocity (.633 OPS in A+, .686 in AA). I'm curious, for those saying Jordan is ranked too low, what specifically makes you say that? Other than that he's young for the level, which is certainly not nothing, and contact ability that has been better than expected, what do you see there? I get where it's usually coming from on Twitter (name recognition, etc.), but I'm not sure what in the profile justifies being ranked higher than where he is. He's one of the most aggressive hitters in the system and the results he had in AA were kind of predictable. Now, if he goes and makes adjustments? Sure, that's more interesting. But he's going to get attacked with velo until he shows he can hit it and won't chase it. To be clear, I'm not saying he sucks or anything. He's in the top 20 of a good system. I think where he's at recognizes there's still something there even though he just had a sub-.300 OBP in AA.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Dec 6, 2023 10:11:00 GMT -5
I'm curious, for those saying Jordan is ranked too low, what specifically makes you say that? Other than that he's young for the level, which is certainly not nothing, and contact ability that has been better than expected, what do you see there? I get where it's usually coming from on Twitter (name recognition, etc.), but I'm not sure what in the profile justifies being ranked higher than where he is. He's one of the most aggressive hitters in the system and the results he had in AA were kind of predictable. Now, if he goes and makes adjustments? Sure, that's more interesting. But he's going to get attacked with velo until he shows he can hit it and won't chase it. To be clear, I'm not saying he sucks or anything. He's in the top 20 of a good system. I think where he's at recognizes there's still something there even though he just had a sub-.300 OBP in AA. I'm curious who they would have him ahead of. Looking at the Soxprospects.com list, the highest I could see Jordan ranked is 11th but there is really no difference being ranked 11th or 19th on a team list. Personally, I'd have him ranked 16th. Ahead of Drohan, Romero and Paulino. If anyone has a case for Jordan in the top 10, I'd be interested in hearing it. I guess one could be low on Wilyer.
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Post by hrguy on Dec 6, 2023 10:38:38 GMT -5
I'm curious, for those saying Jordan is ranked too low, what specifically makes you say that? Other than that he's young for the level, which is certainly not nothing, and contact ability that has been better than expected, what do you see there? I get where it's usually coming from on Twitter (name recognition, etc.), but I'm not sure what in the profile justifies being ranked higher than where he is. He's one of the most aggressive hitters in the system and the results he had in AA were kind of predictable. Now, if he goes and makes adjustments? Sure, that's more interesting. But he's going to get attacked with velo until he shows he can hit it and won't chase it. To be clear, I'm not saying he sucks or anything. He's in the top 20 of a good system. I think where he's at recognizes there's still something there even though he just had a sub-.300 OBP in AA. I'm curious who they would have him ahead of. Looking at the Soxprospects.com list, the highest I could see Jordan ranked is 11th but there is really no difference being ranked 11th or 19th on a team list. Personally, I'd have him ranked 16th. Ahead of Drohan, Romero and Paulino. If anyone has a case for Jordan in the top 10, I'd be interested in hearing it. I guess one could be low on Wilyer. While Ian commented that he didn't love the 10-20 in the most recent podcast, I think it's far less reliever-y than it has been in a long time. It seems like this crop doesn't feature any high upside toolsy up and comers (maybe Castro, whom both Ian and Chris gave very good reviews to)but it does feature a large crop of possibly interesting but flawed position players. Blaze Jordan fits the exact description of a lot of the guys he's ranked around. He does enough well and has enough pedigree that people should track him, but he's going to need to overcome some pretty steep developmental challenges to be a major league contributor. He needs to return to plus plus exit velocities and he needs to be better at turning around on fastballs. If he can do that to a significant degree, it won't matter that he's a right handed first baseman with zero defensive value. He'll be a major league contributor. But it would be kind of nuts to assume that he's going to significantly improve in these areas. Can he? Sure. Should we root for it? Yes, I'm of the mind that we should root very every prospect. Should we expect it? No. If he doesn't address those issues he doesn't do enough to be a MLB regular. Much like Niko Kavadas, the year before (who was ranked 20th, FWIW)
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Post by cba82 on Dec 6, 2023 10:42:10 GMT -5
“Jordan actually saw fewer pitches per plate appearance than Rafaela did last year. 3.30 in High-A and 3.23 in Double-A. Latter number is the lowest among players in the system with 50 PA at a level above the complexes.” — Curious about how much weight to attach to this metric.
Does it correlate in a statistically meaningful way with other things that matter (OPS, etc)?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 6, 2023 17:47:28 GMT -5
“Jordan actually saw fewer pitches per plate appearance than Rafaela did last year. 3.30 in High-A and 3.23 in Double-A. Latter number is the lowest among players in the system with 50 PA at a level above the complexes.” — Curious about how much weight to attach to this metric. Does it correlate in a statistically meaningful way with other things that matter (OPS, etc)? Yes, it would correlate to a low number of walks…..couldn’t resist…..
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 7, 2023 8:52:51 GMT -5
“Jordan actually saw fewer pitches per plate appearance than Rafaela did last year. 3.30 in High-A and 3.23 in Double-A. Latter number is the lowest among players in the system with 50 PA at a level above the complexes.” — Curious about how much weight to attach to this metric. Does it correlate in a statistically meaningful way with other things that matter (OPS, etc)? Yes, it would correlate to a low number of walks…..couldn’t resist….. Wonder if, with what is alluded to here, he feels compelled to commit early because of difficulty in catching up to a good fastball. Is he Dalbecian?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 7, 2023 9:13:16 GMT -5
I'm very very very very optimistic about what I'm hearing about Jordan, but at the same time how does losing a little bit of weight add some loft to your swing without creating a hole in it?
Perhaps better athleticism can add some defensive versatility to his repertoire, and there is real value in that, but I think that raises his floor a bit and doesn't really make it more likely that he'll be a plus bat with some power in the majors. Which is really what you want to see with his profile.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 7, 2023 12:08:13 GMT -5
“Jordan actually saw fewer pitches per plate appearance than Rafaela did last year. 3.30 in High-A and 3.23 in Double-A. Latter number is the lowest among players in the system with 50 PA at a level above the complexes.” — Curious about how much weight to attach to this metric. Does it correlate in a statistically meaningful way with other things that matter (OPS, etc)? If you're over-aggressive you're swinging at worse pitches that you can't do as much with. He's acknowledged needing to see more pitches in a recent interview (maybe with Henrique?).
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