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Post by incandenza on Nov 7, 2022 12:08:32 GMT -5
But as it is, Bogaerts only projects to stay at SS (according to most) another 2 or 3 years. Which actually turns out to be pretty convenient timing from the Red Sox perspective... I'm thinking that some team will offer him more than a two or three year deal. Oh he'll definitely get a longer deal than that. But will any team sign him to be an elite shortstop for 6-7 years, or will any team that bids on him assume he'll be transitioning to 3B or some other position after 2-3 years?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 13:27:24 GMT -5
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Post by awalkinthepark on Nov 7, 2022 13:30:45 GMT -5
So I think everyone is in agreement that the Red Sox need to sign one of the big 4 SS. The Fangraphs estimates:
Xander: 6/$170 Correa: 8/$240 Turner: 7/$210 Swanson: 6/$140
Out of those 4...I would take Bogaerts pretty easily. His bat will play at other positions, unlike Swanson. He has been insanely durable unlike Correa. And he gets a year less than Turner.
I start to get scared off at 7/8 years, but 6 years for Xander I have no problem with.
And if we don't get one of those 4 our SS is going to be a dumpster fire until Mayer gets there.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2022 13:36:31 GMT -5
Honest question, given that a Bogaerts extension isn't happening, are we done here? What to do at short is being discussed a few other places...
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Post by funkybuddha on Nov 7, 2022 14:54:46 GMT -5
Honest question, given that a Bogaerts extension isn't happening, are we done here? What to do at short is being discussed a few other places... What? You know this to be fact already?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 7, 2022 14:59:16 GMT -5
Honest question, given that a Bogaerts extension isn't happening, are we done here? What to do at short is being discussed a few other places... What? You know this to be fact already? Well he is no longer under contract, any Xander deal would be a free agent signing
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Post by funkybuddha on Nov 7, 2022 15:04:38 GMT -5
What? You know this to be fact already? Well he is no longer under contract, any Xander deal would be a free agent signing Oh gotcha. Roger that.
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Post by nomar on Nov 7, 2022 16:32:01 GMT -5
So I think everyone is in agreement that the Red Sox need to sign one of the big 4 SS. The Fangraphs estimates: Xander: 6/$170 Correa: 8/$240 Turner: 7/$210 Swanson: 6/$140 Out of those 4...I would take Bogaerts pretty easily. His bat will play at other positions, unlike Swanson. He has been insanely durable unlike Correa. And he gets a year less than Turner. I start to get scared off at 7/8 years, but 6 years for Xander I have no problem with. And if we don't get one of those 4 our SS is going to be a dumpster fire until Mayer gets there. I’m going to make a slightly bold prediction that all 4 of those guys get less than that.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 7, 2022 17:46:25 GMT -5
Well he is no longer under contract, any Xander deal would be a free agent signing Oh gotcha. Roger that. Yeah hence the italics on "extension." Think I'm going to shut the thread but discussion about SS can and should continue elsewhere.
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 8, 2022 7:04:51 GMT -5
6/155An overpay for loyalty and the pr box they are in right now. (And they can afford to do so). His bat is above average for a SS but the power decline is troubling and not as valuable when he’s away from SS. I don’t know what the market would be for him from other teams. I could see a team overpaying for him, like Semien, but regretting it, like Semien. So, do you offer to outbid a crazy offer, or make a reasonable evaluation and take the pr hit if he leaves (and smile when he Ellsburies). Or do you value his more than pr, as it’s really a culture preservation bridge as you reform the team? Side benefits of Devers goodwill. It’s close so maybe the “get your best offer and take it back to us” is the only play. Can't fault Chaim, and I bet he's relieved it wasn't close.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2022 7:14:41 GMT -5
6/155An overpay for loyalty and the pr box they are in right now. (And they can afford to do so). His bat is above average for a SS but the power decline is troubling and not as valuable when he’s away from SS. I don’t know what the market would be for him from other teams. I could see a team overpaying for him, like Semien, but regretting it, like Semien. So, do you offer to outbid a crazy offer, or make a reasonable evaluation and take the pr hit if he leaves (and smile when he Ellsburies). Or do you value his more than pr, as it’s really a culture preservation bridge as you reform the team? Side benefits of Devers goodwill. It’s close so maybe the “get your best offer and take it back to us” is the only play. Can't fault Chaim, and I bet he's relieved it wasn't close. With that offer it's pretty obvious that they didnt really want him. Because if they truly did want him then they badly misread the market and I'm not even referring to the insane pills Preller took. My understanding is that there were multiple offers at 200 million. Bloom and company wouldnt even come close to going there. If they knew that it was going to take at least 200 million to sign him and they knew they didnt want to go there they should have traded him. If they didnt know that then I have no reason to think they know how to read a market. I'll give them a hint. Devers will get at least 300 million in free agency. If they're not willing to go there, then trade him.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 8, 2022 7:18:55 GMT -5
Can't fault Chaim, and I bet he's relieved it wasn't close. With that offer it's pretty obvious that they didnt really want him. Because if they truly did want him then they badly misread the market and I'm not even referring to the insane pills Preller took. My understanding is that there were multiple offers at 200 million. Bloom and company wouldnt even come close to going there. If they knew that it was going to take at least 200 million to sign him and they knew they didnt want to go there they should have traded him. If they didnt know that then I have no reason to think they know how to read a market. I'll give them a hint. Devers will get at least 300 million in free agency. If they're not willing to go there, then trade him. Insane pills = cocaine Preller is doing serious gasoline every offseason. Nothing you can do. Just add him to the mount rushmore of coked up madmen like Tony Khan Otis Nixon and Tony Montana. Yeah this team screwed up again with homegrown talent. They let him get to market and once that happened it was more or less a wrap. 6/160 most likely would have gotten it done in the spring. I'll echo the sentiment in this thread if they do not want to give Devers 300 million + then they need to trade him for something.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2022 7:51:40 GMT -5
There is a separate Bogaerts signing with SD thread, so locking this one.
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