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6/15-6/16 Red Sox @ Braves Series Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 15, 2021 7:04:36 GMT -5
6/15 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez, 5-4, 6.03, 62.2 IP, 70K:17BB) @ Braves (LHP Tucker Davidson, 0-0, 1.53, 17.2 IP, 14K:7BB) 7:20 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/16 Red Sox (RHP Garrett Richards, 4-4, 4.09, 70.1 IP, 61K:34BB) @ Braves (RHP Ian Anderson, 4-3, 3.26, 66.1 IP, 69K:26BB) 7:20 pm ET, NESN/ESPN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2021: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 15, 2021 7:16:04 GMT -5
Let’s keep the ball rolling E-Rod. This teams outlook will probably come down to him and Sale’s return. Too steep of a price to acquire a top-notch starter.
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Post by patford on Jun 15, 2021 8:59:52 GMT -5
Let’s keep the ball rolling E-Rod. This teams outlook will probably come down to him and Sale’s return. Too steep of a price to acquire a top-notch starter. They keep rolling Rodriguez out and there has been no talk of anything being wrong with him. I have not even heard that his stuff is appreciably down. And it's hard to believe it's lingering Covid related fatigue as he generally has trouble in the 1st inning. As a whole one of the weirdest things about the Sox staff is they seem to have the most trouble the first time through the order and then settle down for a spell. |
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Post by greenmonster on Jun 15, 2021 9:56:33 GMT -5
One of the frustrating thing with ERod has always been his pitch count approaching 100 before the 5th inning and limiting his ability to go deep into games. The thing I was most excited about early this season was that he seemed more efficient and that trend didn't appear to be happening.....The last few starts seem to have reverted back to that tendency.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 15, 2021 10:48:10 GMT -5
OK, I am not @redsoxstats, nor do I know this person, but he's given the data on what several of us have been saying for the bulk of the year:
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Post by Guidas on Jun 15, 2021 10:56:55 GMT -5
Let’s keep the ball rolling E-Rod. This teams outlook will probably come down to him and Sale’s return. Too steep of a price to acquire a top-notch starter. They keep rolling Rodriguez out and there has been no talk of anything being wrong with him. I have not even heard that his stuff is appreciably down. And it's hard to believe it's lingering Covid related fatigue as he generally has trouble in the 1st inning. As a whole one of the weirdest things about the Sox staff is they seem to have the most trouble the first time through the order and then settle down for a spell. |
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Post by incandenza on Jun 15, 2021 10:57:09 GMT -5
I don't disagree about the walks, but it seems a bit like asking a pig to fly. Bloom added a bunch of players who just never did walk much, so it's not surprising that they're... not walking much. (Though, yes, JDM and Devers could stand to improve here, and probably will, especially as Devers, in particular, adjusts to the fastballs-only thing teams are doing against him.)
Presumably there's some sort of deep analytic reason for this: not that Bloom thinks walks are lame, but he must have seen them as overvalued relative to other qualities (other aspects of hitting, defense, positional flexibility). Taking fewer walks was just the price he paid for those things.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 15, 2021 13:02:40 GMT -5
I don’t get the 7:20 p.m. start time. Twenty minutes of pre-game…after an hour of pre-game?
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Post by greenmonster on Jun 15, 2021 13:13:17 GMT -5
I don’t get the 7:20 p.m. start time. Twenty minutes of pre-game…after an hour of pre-game? Gotta give Dave O'Brien a chance to read us stats |
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Post by semperfisox on Jun 15, 2021 13:44:40 GMT -5
I don’t get the 7:20 p.m. start time. Twenty minutes of pre-game…after an hour of pre-game? Gotta give Dave O'Brien a chance to read us stats Wish we still had Orsillo. I think he and Eck would be a good team. |
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 15, 2021 14:40:00 GMT -5
Gotta give Dave O'Brien a chance to read us stats Wish we still had Orsillo. I think he and Eck would be a good team. Orsillo is like the one who got away for Red Sox fans. Nothing against O'Brien in general, but when he speaks I immediately wish it was Orsillo and not him talking. NESN has made quite a few blunders over the years and I expect many more to come in the future too. Bring Back Hazel Mae! |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 15, 2021 15:40:04 GMT -5
All 4 of these SPs are dreadful hitters.
Although Ian Anderson appears to be an excellent bunter.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 15, 2021 15:47:51 GMT -5
Also, in AL East news, looks like the Sox will miss Glasnow again:
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Post by Guidas on Jun 15, 2021 16:00:29 GMT -5
I don't disagree about the walks, but it seems a bit like asking a pig to fly. Bloom added a bunch of players who just never did walk much, so it's not surprising that they're... not walking much. (Though, yes, JDM and Devers could stand to improve here, and probably will, especially as Devers, in particular, adjusts to the fastballs-only thing teams are doing against him.) Presumably there's some sort of deep analytic reason for this: not that Bloom thinks walks are lame, but he must have seen them as overvalued relative to other qualities (other aspects of hitting, defense, positional flexibility). Taking fewer walks was just the price he paid for those things. This seems counterintuitive for a team that is predicated on three true outcomes on the offense. Then again, Hernández in the one spot despite a low lifetime OBP and a season-long declining 0BP is the ultimate counterintuitive move. There is zero data to support it, and the only thing I can think of is that Cora is trying to will him into being a .350 OBP hitter. Because magical thinking with great clubhouse guys produces hits and walks or something… |
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Post by incandenza on Jun 15, 2021 16:05:12 GMT -5
Dalbec loves himself a waxin' moon (he typically peaks around the first quarter moon).
4/2-4/10: .095/.194/.095, -22 wRC+
4/11-4/23: .387/.441/.581, 180 (first quarter moon 4/20)
4/24-5/6: .029/.057/.118, -61
5/7-5/22: .293/.356/.683, 178 (first quarter moon 5/19)
5/23-6/7: .097/.125/.194, -20
6/8-6/14: .278/.350/.778, 194 (first quarter moon 6/17)
Given the lunar cycle, and facing a lefty to boot, I'm expecting a big game out of him.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 15, 2021 16:44:00 GMT -5
I don’t get the 7:20 p.m. start time. Twenty minutes of pre-game…after an hour of pre-game? I recalled (after this post) that Atlanta has major traffic problems at its new ballpark, so the start time may be to allow fans to get there. Oh, and Hazel Mae? Thank you, no. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 15, 2021 16:59:59 GMT -5
I don’t get the 7:20 p.m. start time. Twenty minutes of pre-game…after an hour of pre-game? I recalled (after this post) that Atlanta has major traffic problems at its new ballpark, so the start time may be to allow fans to get there. Oh, and Hazel Mae? Thank you, no. What does Hazel Mae have to do with anything? She hasn't been on NESN in many years. |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 15, 2021 17:15:08 GMT -5
I don't disagree about the walks, but it seems a bit like asking a pig to fly. Bloom added a bunch of players who just never did walk much, so it's not surprising that they're... not walking much. (Though, yes, JDM and Devers could stand to improve here, and probably will, especially as Devers, in particular, adjusts to the fastballs-only thing teams are doing against him.) Presumably there's some sort of deep analytic reason for this: not that Bloom thinks walks are lame, but he must have seen them as overvalued relative to other qualities (other aspects of hitting, defense, positional flexibility). Taking fewer walks was just the price he paid for those things. This seems counterintuitive for a team that is predicated on three true outcomes on the offense. Then again, Hernández in the one spot despite a low lifetime OBP and a season-long declining 0BP is the ultimate counterintuitive move. There is zero data to support it, and the only thing I can think of is that Cora is trying to will him into being a .350 OBP hitter. Because magical thinking with great clubhouse guys produces hits and walks or something… Cora is simply being obstinate as Hernández is not (and never will) be a .350 OBP guy !!!! |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 15, 2021 17:52:49 GMT -5
I don't disagree about the walks, but it seems a bit like asking a pig to fly. Bloom added a bunch of players who just never did walk much, so it's not surprising that they're... not walking much. (Though, yes, JDM and Devers could stand to improve here, and probably will, especially as Devers, in particular, adjusts to the fastballs-only thing teams are doing against him.) Presumably there's some sort of deep analytic reason for this: not that Bloom thinks walks are lame, but he must have seen them as overvalued relative to other qualities (other aspects of hitting, defense, positional flexibility). Taking fewer walks was just the price he paid for those things. This seems counterintuitive for a team that is predicated on three true outcomes on the offense. Then again, Hernández in the one spot despite a low lifetime OBP and a season-long declining 0BP is the ultimate counterintuitive move. There is zero data to support it, and the only thing I can think of is that Cora is trying to will him into being a .350 OBP hitter. Because magical thinking with great clubhouse guys produces hits and walks or something⦠In the first few weeks of the season Eric Van whipped up some stats showing Kiké Hernandez was an adequate leadoff hitter in the first inning leading off the ballgame. I pushed back saying that with a bigger sample size, his Kiké-ness would take over meaning with enough ABs in that situation his abject mediocrity would take over, which I think it has. Even if it hasn't completely, the leadoff hitter gets more plate appearances than anybody else in the lineup, so why would you want such a thoroughly mediocre player with a long track record of being mediocre and impatient at the plate as your leadoff hitter? The Sox don't have any great leadoff options. Benintendi actually would have fit the bill. But in this lineup Verdugo would be the best option but for some weird reason Cora wouldn't do that so I'd advocate for Arroyo, although he's hardly an ideal guy either. I hope Duran can come up and be that guy. Also hope Arroyo hits enough to warrant more playing time. I figure if both happens that would cut into Hernandez's time and perhaps get him out of the leadoff spot. I hope Cora doesn't remain obstinate about this. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 15, 2021 18:13:19 GMT -5
I’m fine with Hernandez batting lead off against lefties, no more against righties plz. Anybody else. I get not wanting to break up the middle. Maybe Arroyo preferably
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 15, 2021 18:14:57 GMT -5
This seems counterintuitive for a team that is predicated on three true outcomes on the offense. Then again, Hernández in the one spot despite a low lifetime OBP and a season-long declining 0BP is the ultimate counterintuitive move. There is zero data to support it, and the only thing I can think of is that Cora is trying to will him into being a .350 OBP hitter. Because magical thinking with great clubhouse guys produces hits and walks or something⦠In the first few weeks of the season Eric Van whipped up some stats showing Kiké Hernandez was an adequate leadoff hitter in the first inning leading off the ballgame. I pushed back saying that with a bigger sample size, his Kiké-ness would take over meaning with enough ABs in that situation his abject mediocrity would take over, which I think it has. Even if it hasn't completely, the leadoff hitter gets more plate appearances than anybody else in the lineup, so why would you want such a thoroughly mediocre player with a long track record of being mediocre and impatient at the plate as your leadoff hitter? The Sox don't have any great leadoff options. Benintendi actually would have fit the bill. But in this lineup Verdugo would be the best option but for some weird reason Cora wouldn't do that so I'd advocate for Arroyo, although he's hardly an ideal guy either. I hope Duran can come up and be that guy. Also hope Arroyo hits enough to warrant more playing time. I figure if both happens that would cut into Hernandez's time and perhaps get him out of the leadoff spot. I hope Cora doesn't remain obstinate about this. Arroyo is a good defensive 2B and hits better than Hernández, so why the hell does he not get more playing time. He hits LHP....well there is a LHP pitching today. Ok, I get that he has walked like 3 times all year, but Hernández isn’t much better. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 15, 2021 18:23:49 GMT -5
Nice pokes to start from Kikè and Doogs
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Post by Guidas on Jun 15, 2021 18:34:12 GMT -5
Boom!
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Post by orion09 on Jun 15, 2021 18:34:18 GMT -5
AWD!!
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Post by Guidas on Jun 15, 2021 18:35:28 GMT -5
Encore!
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