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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 5, 2021 12:26:05 GMT -5
Duran has played 2 games in LF (and 6 in RF), so you'd just put him in CF. He may well be average there now, but that's a likely 5 run downgrade over Kiké if you called him up now. It's not clear at all that he's an improvement, and since you'd have to either move Marwin or go to 13 pitchers (and they have more than 13 good ones) to get him on the 26 man, he would need to be a clear improvement. As good as he's playing, there's no need for him unless / until there's an injury (or unless Franchy fails again). Best case scenario is that we see him in September, and, thanks to the extra time in AAA, he's actually ready to start some games in CF and be an upgrade, and then be the extra position player on the post-season roster as they carry one fewer pitcher. Given his current quality of play (as good as it is), bringing him up before then just to bring him up would be hugely counter-productive.
Franchy will have Santana's spot with a few weeks, it can be hoped.
You had me up until the final sentence here. A few weeks? What new information could they be waiting for? Same goes for Andriese. It would be nice if Franchy actually playerd a few games at 1B in AAA (as opposed to just taking grounders) before he's called up if that's going to be a role for him - and it should be.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 5, 2021 12:27:39 GMT -5
And so this is how it goes. The bottom of the order goes 1 for 14 and people make excuses for Santana and think that Duran can’t help. It will change one of these days. Hopefully it won’t cost them too much. It, and Andriese, cost them the game on Saturday and it almost cost the game today. There’s nobody that thinks Duran won’t be better than Santana, that’s not an especially high bar to clear. There are people who don’t want to rush a prospect up when he’s had 2 months of reps at AAA. Those are very different things. Also who on earth is making excuses for Santana?? There’s nothing wrong with making sure a guy has a sturdy foundation to build a successful career off of. I don’t want a situation where we rushed him up and have to option him back down. But I get it- you’re a big fan who thinks he could have made that absurd play Kikè made standing up, despite all reports saying his defense is a weak point. He’s a 45 glove right now, and that’s probably the high end
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 5, 2021 12:33:36 GMT -5
Just a quick note to correct the record a bit. You do get my obvious preference for Duran now, but I have also said that Santana needs to go immediately and that I would prefer Franchy to nobody. The question of how to bring back Arroyo and add Franchy/Duran is Chavis. He came up for Arroyo. And one final point, for the record, I never said that Duran would catch that ball, only that its is arguable that his speed gets him there in time to avoid the circus catch that Kikay made. Basically, I want something done now to replace Santana who has shown that he does not hit well and makes mistakes in the OF and at 1B.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 5, 2021 12:46:14 GMT -5
Just a quick note to correct the record a bit. You do get my obvious preference for Duran now, but I have also said that Santana needs to go immediately and that I would prefer Franchy to nobody. The question of how to bring back Arroyo and add Franchy/Duran is Chavis. He came up for Arroyo. And one final point, for the record, I never said that Duran would catch that ball, only that its is arguable that his speed gets him there in time to avoid the circus catch that Kikay made. Basically, I want something done now to replace Santana who has shown that he does not hit well and makes mistakes in the OF and at 1B. The gist of your comment about Kiké's catch was that everyone might be wrong about Duran's defense and he's actually every bit as good as Kiké, who is an above-average major league defender. But there is just no reason to believe that is the case. (The people who rate him as needing improvement on defense are well aware that he is fast.)
It's reasonable to want to call Duran up now, but wishing away the costs of doing so is not going to win the argument for you.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 5, 2021 14:13:35 GMT -5
Just a quick note to correct the record a bit. You do get my obvious preference for Duran now, but I have also said that Santana needs to go immediately and that I would prefer Franchy to nobody. The question of how to bring back Arroyo and add Franchy/Duran is Chavis. He came up for Arroyo. And one final point, for the record, I never said that Duran would catch that ball, only that its is arguable that his speed gets him there in time to avoid the circus catch that Kikay made. Basically, I want something done now to replace Santana who has shown that he does not hit well and makes mistakes in the OF and at 1B. The gist of your comment about Kiké's catch was that everyone might be wrong about Duran's defense and he's actually every bit as good as Kiké, who is an above-average major league defender. But there is just no reason to believe that is the case. (The people who rate him as needing improvement on defense are well aware that he is fast.)
It's reasonable to want to call Duran up now, but wishing away the costs of doing so is not going to win the argument for you.
You are right. I did make a comment that Kikay was not playing brilliantly in CF. Kikay has certainly proved me wrong in that, and my more recent comments have not repeated that claim. But I can’t find a lot of evidence that Duran is now having great problems with his OF reads. So my basic point remains. I would prefer Duran in the OF and Kikay in the infield.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 5, 2021 14:15:18 GMT -5
Eyewitness reports of Duran's defense have been rather sparse lately. I would like to hear more about it myself!
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Post by patford on Jul 5, 2021 14:37:06 GMT -5
Eyewitness reports of Duran's defense have been rather sparse lately. I would like to hear more about it myself! I've been begging. Beyond that CF in Fenway is not comparable to any other CF in MLB. It's got to be the most challenging OF spot in baseball. Verdugo is an excellent fielder and has looked a bit awkward in CF at Fenway. On the question of reads. One false step on a FB probably costs an outfielder 15-20 feet. I don't care how fast a guy is that is a lot of ground to make up. I've no doubt in my mind JBJ glided under many fly balls that an ordinary outfielder never would have gotten to on a dead run.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 5, 2021 14:43:11 GMT -5
The gist of your comment about Kiké's catch was that everyone might be wrong about Duran's defense and he's actually every bit as good as Kiké, who is an above-average major league defender. But there is just no reason to believe that is the case. (The people who rate him as needing improvement on defense are well aware that he is fast.)
It's reasonable to want to call Duran up now, but wishing away the costs of doing so is not going to win the argument for you.
You are right. I did make a comment that Kikay was not playing brilliantly in CF. Kikay has certainly proved me wrong in that, and my more recent comments have not repeated that claim. But I canâÃÂÃÂt find a lot of evidence that Duran is now having great problems with his OF reads. So my basic point remains. I would prefer Duran in the OF and Kikay in the infield. You repeatedly misspell Kiké's name despite countless examples of the correct spelling. What if he, or his family, was reading this thread? Can you make your argument without being offensive?
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 5, 2021 15:07:33 GMT -5
You are right. I did make a comment that Kikay was not playing brilliantly in CF. Kikay has certainly proved me wrong in that, and my more recent comments have not repeated that claim. But I canÃÂâÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂt find a lot of evidence that Duran is now having great problems with his OF reads. So my basic point remains. I would prefer Duran in the OF and Kikay in the infield. You repeatedly misspell Kiké's name despite countless examples of the correct spelling. What if he, or his family, was reading this thread? Can you make your argument without being offensive? No offense intended. I mostly respond from my cell phone and Kikéâs name does not translate well. AND, I canât put an accent mark on Kiké, which means that his name comes out as a giant insult to a particular ethnic/religious group so I choose to write Kikay instead.
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 5, 2021 15:11:43 GMT -5
You repeatedly misspell Kiké's name despite countless examples of the correct spelling. What if he, or his family, was reading this thread? Can you make your argument without being offensive? No offense intended. I mostly respond from my cell phone and KikéâÂÂs name does not translate well. AND, I canâÂÂt put an accent mark on Kiké, which means that his name comes out as a giant insult to a particular ethnic/religious group so I choose to write Kikay instead. OK, now I see his name corrected by the Forum. So if this Kiké comes out with an accent mark, then I will go with that. But do look at the mess that is made in the quoted section.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 5, 2021 16:57:41 GMT -5
You are right. I did make a comment that Kikay was not playing brilliantly in CF. Kikay has certainly proved me wrong in that, and my more recent comments have not repeated that claim. But I canâÃÂÃÂt find a lot of evidence that Duran is now having great problems with his OF reads. So my basic point remains. I would prefer Duran in the OF and Kikay in the infield. You repeatedly misspell Kiké's name despite countless examples of the correct spelling. What if he, or his family, was reading this thread? Can you make your argument without being offensive? I can't imagine that a ML BB player is going to be traumatized by his name being misspelled on a fan message board. Well, Ok, David Price might be. But that's about it. Here's a low-cost, easy solution: KKH. Peace be to all.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 5, 2021 17:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 5, 2021 17:04:33 GMT -5
Don't know about Apple phones, but on my Android it's easy to add an accent. I just hold the "e" key down and a popup menu with different choices shows up. I slide my finger onto the correct one and release to spell Kiké.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 5, 2021 17:39:39 GMT -5
Of interest is that Arroyo had accumulated the same amount of WAR as Lemahieu in less than half the PAs. That may have to do with the latter playing quite a few games at first base, but still...
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Post by benzinger on Jul 6, 2021 9:46:54 GMT -5
Of interest is that Arroyo had accumulated the same amount of WAR as Lemahieu in less than half the PAs. That may have to do with the latter playing quite a few games at first base, but still... LeMahieu certainly picked the right time to have a career year in 2020. He seems to have aged 10 years over the Winter. One wonders what his contract would look like hitting free agency after 2021 instead of 2020... Oh well, let the Yankees worry about having him for 5 more years into his late 30’s.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2021 10:42:44 GMT -5
Y'all, we made it so that the forum automatically adds the accent to Kiké. No issues there. Appreciate those trying to be sensitive but we've got you covered.
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