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Red Sox Select Tyler McDonough, 2B, NC State
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2021 13:15:16 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jul 12, 2021 13:22:17 GMT -5
He was ranked as high as #42 by FanGraphs:
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Post by orion09 on Jul 12, 2021 15:10:49 GMT -5
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Post by orion09 on Jul 12, 2021 15:11:16 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 13, 2021 9:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 13, 2021 10:14:48 GMT -5
Looking forward to finding out if he's the next Brockstar or the next Tzu-Wei Lin.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 14, 2021 5:57:22 GMT -5
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 14, 2021 6:44:21 GMT -5
What I don't understand about McDonough is the "utility" profile. I get that he plays every position, but if he's a plus defender at 2nd why wouldn't his ceiling be an everyday 2nd baseman at the MLB level? He has a potential average hit tool and average power. I would think an average offensive player with above-average defense at 2nd would have the ceiling of an MLB starter.
I get that a utility role is a reasonable projection.
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Post by kman22 on Jul 14, 2021 9:14:57 GMT -5
What I don't understand about McDonough is the "utility" profile. I get that he plays every position, but if he's a plus defender at 2nd why wouldn't his ceiling be an everyday 2nd baseman at the MLB level? He has a potential average hit tool and average power. I would think an average offensive player with above-average defense at 2nd would have the ceiling of an MLB starter. I get that a utility role is a reasonable projection. Maybe they plan to try him in center with the knowledge that he can fall back to being above-average at 2B? |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 14, 2021 9:23:40 GMT -5
What I don't understand about McDonough is the "utility" profile. I get that he plays every position, but if he's a plus defender at 2nd why wouldn't his ceiling be an everyday 2nd baseman at the MLB level? He has a potential average hit tool and average power. I would think an average offensive player with above-average defense at 2nd would have the ceiling of an MLB starter. I get that a utility role is a reasonable projection. Maybe they plan to try him in center with the knowledge that he can fall back to being above-average at 2B? Oh yeah, I'm sure they're not going to immediately throw him into the utility role. They're going to develop him at a position. They announced him as a 2nd baseman so I think that's where we will see him. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 14, 2021 9:25:18 GMT -5
What I don't understand about McDonough is the "utility" profile. I get that he plays every position, but if he's a plus defender at 2nd why wouldn't his ceiling be an everyday 2nd baseman at the MLB level? He has a potential average hit tool and average power. I would think an average offensive player with above-average defense at 2nd would have the ceiling of an MLB starter. I get that a utility role is a reasonable projection. A utility role can be an every day and valuable role (see: Ben Zobrist). |
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 14, 2021 9:47:30 GMT -5
What I don't understand about McDonough is the "utility" profile. I get that he plays every position, but if he's a plus defender at 2nd why wouldn't his ceiling be an everyday 2nd baseman at the MLB level? He has a potential average hit tool and average power. I would think an average offensive player with above-average defense at 2nd would have the ceiling of an MLB starter. I get that a utility role is a reasonable projection. A utility role can be an every day and valuable role (see: Ben Zobrist). Yes it can, but if someone is good enough to be an everyday player then they're likely going to add more value. Ben Zoberist is the exception, because how many utility guys get 600+ PAs a year? not many of them. A more reasonable projection for even a good utility guy is around 350-400 PA's a year if healthy. Most of these guys won't make it, so if your 3rd round pick becomes a really good utility guy that's still a GREAT pick. I just, wonder why a guy who projects to potentially have average hit tool, average power, average arm, above average speed and above average defense can't project as a starting 2nd? It's not a knock on anyone here, it feels like scouts everywhere were saying that about McDonough. I'm sure once we get him signed, get some more information, into the system and some eyes on him during some games we'll have a more confident outlook on his projection. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 14, 2021 9:55:42 GMT -5
I know we think of defensive spectrum in terms of one position at a time but, as you get lower on it, I would think playing multiple positions pushes you up on it?
So maybe 2B + CF > 2B (probably wouldn't apply to plus potential at SS or CF, for example)
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Post by incandenza on Jul 14, 2021 10:40:35 GMT -5
I would think that playing multiple positions would have more value to a team that being fixed to one position, since you're always able to contribute just where the team needs you. That's why I think WAR underestimates a player like Brock Holt: he gets a worse defensive adjustment in WAR when he plays, say, LF, but if that's the hole the team has that day he's providing more value than if he were at SS or 2B or whatever.
Of course this all depends on being able to play any position adequately and similarly well. Hanley Ramirez wouldn't have gained value by being moved between 3B and LF because he played the outfield like a drunk sloth.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 14, 2021 10:58:39 GMT -5
A utility role can be an every day and valuable role (see: Ben Zobrist). Yes it can, but if someone is good enough to be an everyday player then they're likely going to add more value. Ben Zoberist is the exception, because how many utility guys get 600+ PAs a year? not many of them. A more reasonable projection for even a good utility guy is around 350-400 PA's a year if healthy. Most of these guys won't make it, so if your 3rd round pick becomes a really good utility guy that's still a GREAT pick. I just, wonder why a guy who projects to potentially have average hit tool, average power, average arm, above average speed and above average defense can't project as a starting 2nd? It's not a knock on anyone here, it feels like scouts everywhere were saying that about McDonough. I'm sure once we get him signed, get some more information, into the system and some eyes on him during some games we'll have a more confident outlook on his projection. Other examples include Kiké Hernandez, Chris Taylor, Joey Wendle and Brock Holt (2015 edition). The Rays and Dodgers have been playing guys in this type of role for some time, and with the right player, it works. Bloom comes from this school and I would expect we see more guys like this across the league in the future. I agree with Incandenza's point that they add more value to the team if they are able to play multiple positions regularly. It provides the team a ton of flexibility to construct its roster and bench if they can plug this guy into multiple positions. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2021 11:11:55 GMT -5
They're going to start him in a utility role. Toboni said as much. Will focus on 2B and CF at first but might expose him some to 3B, and he noted he can handle SS a bit.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 14, 2021 14:41:11 GMT -5
Mason McRae didn't have the most flattering ranking of Tyler McDonough in his pre-draft rankings, but the report seems solid: Tyler McDonough (#204): |
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2021 9:28:51 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2021 15:51:13 GMT -5
McDonough said per the same thread that the Red Sox called him around pick 69 to let him know of their interest and picked him at 75.
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Post by azblue on Jul 16, 2021 22:26:46 GMT -5
There is value in having an emergency catcher who can handle the position with confidence if the situation arises.
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