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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 21, 2021 13:41:00 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jul 21, 2021 13:46:45 GMT -5
Wow. Thats some...praise. Top 100 consideration and being drafted ahead of Painter is bonkers. FanGraphs already putting him on a FV 45 level which puts him at #10 in our system in their rankings.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 21, 2021 13:49:13 GMT -5
Jesus. We got a good report on him but that's kind of insane. He's now 10th in the system on their Board.
Based on the reports we got and how he's been pitching I could see him moving into the top 40. Top 10? Meh.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2021 13:50:01 GMT -5
Another candidate for the popped out of nowhere category. Seems to happen once a year or so.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 21, 2021 13:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 21, 2021 14:03:53 GMT -5
The second teenage arm drafted? that's TB status right there. Seriously though, I love it when prospects come out of left field (It's left field for me at least). And a pitcher too, can't wait to see more of this kid.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 21, 2021 14:09:11 GMT -5
Another candidate for the popped out of nowhere category. Seems to happen once a year or so. He did get a $250k bonus, so I'm not sure I'd call him a guy that popped up completely out of nowhere. But it may feel a bit more like that since last year's season was cancelled and we haven't heard much about these guys for a while now. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 21, 2021 14:18:54 GMT -5
Wow!!!
So it is basically the same as getting the 10th player in this past draft. That doesn't suck!!
Love these out of no where guys. Should we see him in Low A in a month?
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Post by jimoh on Jul 21, 2021 16:24:34 GMT -5
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 21, 2021 21:13:36 GMT -5
Jesus. We got a good report on him but that's kind of insane. He's now 10th in the system on their Board. Based on the reports we got and how he's been pitching I could see him moving into the top 40. Top 10? Meh. What causes such wildly different evaluations in a case like this? I can think of a number of different factors. 1) He's 19 in the FCL, so there's naturally tons of variance on his potential pro outcomes as is. At this stage, it's not as unreasonable for scouts to be far apart when a wider range of outcomes are still possible. 2) There's less information available on how players are doing in the FCL with more emphasis on instruction. With less information available, there's more potential variance in outcomes. 3) With depending on scouts for information, scouts might have the incentive for tactical BS. This seems unlikely, the fangraph guys are pros, and writers have scouts they know well. 4) Somebodies just wrong and somebody else is just right. It happens. So what do you think is the reason for the potential 20 - 30 place ranking difference here? |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 22, 2021 0:04:31 GMT -5
It's good to remember what last year was like. Whatever his perceived value - and the $250K indicates someone thought he was worth it - there was little to no scouting last year. That's changed so he's going to be re-evaluated. Fangraph got onto this from the FCL and that's stuff for the record. He's 19 so that record will grow.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 22, 2021 7:53:51 GMT -5
Jesus. We got a good report on him but that's kind of insane. He's now 10th in the system on their Board. Based on the reports we got and how he's been pitching I could see him moving into the top 40. Top 10? Meh. What causes such wildly different evaluations in a case like this? I can think of a number of different factors. 1) He's 19 in the FCL, so there's naturally tons of variance on his potential pro outcomes as is. At this stage, it's not as unreasonable for scouts to be far apart when a wider range of outcomes are still possible. 2) There's less information available on how players are doing in the FCL with more emphasis on instruction. With less information available, there's more potential variance in outcomes. 3) With depending on scouts for information, scouts might have the incentive for tactical BS. This seems unlikely, the fangraph guys are pros, and writers have scouts they know well. 4) Somebodies just wrong and somebody else is just right. It happens. So what do you think is the reason for the potential 20 - 30 place ranking difference here? Something else to consider is that Sox prospects.com tends to be much more conservative than most prospect ranking publications. They will rate players who are close to the majors a bit higher and they don't move players with helium up as quickly. As soxprospects.com updates their rankings more often than most (all?) Major ranking sites they can be a bit more conservative and wait to get more information/looks. Right now it seems that everyone is attempting to glean information from a handful of scouts. |
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 22, 2021 8:07:18 GMT -5
In terms of upside, we have also heard Nathaniel Cruz and Luis Perales as having great stuff, but with no track record. One could also include Gabriel Jackson and Juan Encarnacion in that group of IFA signs within the past two years (and I'd also like to add De la Rosa).
But broadening out that group based on "raw stuff and projection," to me, has to be matched to performance. While Wrinklefree is starting to get that track record, I don't see how one can credibly say he would have been a top 10 pick this year, or that he's in the top 100. It'd have to be the rarest of player with no pro experience to be grouped in that: someone like Mayer or Dominguez. I can't believe Winkleman is among the elite like they are suggesting, vs. just wanting to be the first to blow some smoke about him as a placeholder for the future.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 22, 2021 10:03:09 GMT -5
In terms of upside, we have also heard Nathaniel Cruz and Luis Perales as having great stuff, but with no track record. One could also include Gabriel Jackson and Juan Encarnacion in that group of IFA signs within the past two years (and I'd also like to add De la Rosa). But broadening out that group based on "raw stuff and projection," to me, has to be matched to performance. While Wrinklefree is starting to get that track record, I don't see how one can credibly say he would have been a top 10 pick this year, or that he's in the top 100. It'd have to be the rarest of player with no pro experience to be grouped in that: someone like Mayer or Dominguez. I can't believe Winkleman is among the elite like they are suggesting, vs. just wanting to be the first to blow some smoke about him as a placeholder for the future. First of all, I want to believe 'Wrinklefree' was just an amazing autocorrect. Second, the language is pretty hype-y but not totally unbelievable if you read it closely. For one thing, "could make an argument to be in the top 100" is not the same as being in the top 100. And Jobe is ranked outside fangraphs' top 123, while Painter is the 5th ranked prospect in a weak Phillies system. It's certainly a bullish take but I don't think we need to read it as disingenuous. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 22, 2021 17:59:49 GMT -5
Henceforth this hype train shall be called the Wilkelvii
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 23, 2021 0:27:04 GMT -5
It's exciting and all but I think I'll wait until he's at least in Salem to start memorizing his pitching schedule.
He's only made three starts (plus one piggyback) on American soil thus far (although you gotta like 25/2 K/BB in 15.1 IP).
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Post by patrmac04 on Jul 23, 2021 8:44:38 GMT -5
I hope this name sticks because it's hilarious. 'Wrinklefree' reminds me of Ricky wild thing Vaughn from Major leagues. From fangraphs.
Fastball 55 / 60 Slider 50 / 55 Changeup 55 / 60 Command 25 / 50 FV 45
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 23, 2021 12:23:54 GMT -5
He's the next Pedro!!!!
(immediately ducks in anticipation of rocks being thrown at him)
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 4, 2021 12:31:05 GMT -5
The national media is starting to catch up. Passan's new Insider article includes a mention of Wilkelman as among his minor leaguers to know about, including this tidbit: "The physical profile doesn't scream star but the stuff is good enough that in an improving Red Sox system, he'll find himself near the top of lists." |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 11, 2021 7:41:47 GMT -5
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Post by jaffinator on Aug 11, 2021 10:42:18 GMT -5
Two things from that video: 1) Marcelo Mayer out there looking big. 2) I didn't know he pitched with his hat cocked off-center a la CC Sabathia. I don't know if this makes me higher on him as a prospect or not. |
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 13, 2021 8:41:13 GMT -5
2) I didn't know he pitched with his hat cocked off-center a la CC Sabathia. I don't know if this makes me higher on him as a prospect or not. |
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Post by chr31ter on Aug 13, 2021 8:47:37 GMT -5
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Aug 13, 2021 12:43:02 GMT -5
2) I didn't know he pitched with his hat cocked off-center a la CC Sabathia. I don't know if this makes me higher on him as a prospect or not. And Jeremy Wu-Yelland. I thought it might be a lefty thing until seeing Gonzalez. :/) |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 13, 2021 14:17:09 GMT -5
IN THIS HERE PARTS, THAT'S THE ABE ALVAREZ LOOK, SON. KNOW YOUR HISTORY. And Jeremy Wu-Yelland. I thought it might be a lefty thing until seeing Gonzalez. :/) Chris Archer has also been a proponent.
I hope Wilkelman isn't as wildly over-rated as Archer was...
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