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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 3, 2021 6:57:44 GMT -5
8/3 Red Sox (RHP Garrett Richards, 6-6, 5.15, 101.1 IP, 80K:45BB) @ Tigers (RHP Wily Peralta, 3-2, 3.64, 42.0 IP, 24K:16BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/4 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez, 7-6, 5.60, 99.2 IP, 121K:28BB) @ Tigers (RHP Casey Mize, 6-5, 3.41, 111.0 IP, 87K:30BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 8/5 Red Sox (LHP Martin Perez, 7-7, 4.56, 98.2 IP, 83K:33BB) @ Tigers (LHP Tarik Skubal, 6-10, 4.53, 105.1 IP, 117K:39BB) 1:10 pm ET, ESPN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2021: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by Guidas on Aug 3, 2021 7:04:52 GMT -5
This is not a walk through automatic win land. Detroit is 30-24 at home. Win 2, steal 1 and get outta town.
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Post by soxinnj on Aug 3, 2021 7:12:30 GMT -5
This is not a walk through automatic win land. Detroit is 30-24 at home. Win 2, steal 1 and get outta town. Being that they probably have the starting pitching advantage in all 3 games, I don’t think we can assume winning 2…. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 3, 2021 7:41:06 GMT -5
Looks like Mize is turning into the guy everybody thought he was
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Post by nomar on Aug 3, 2021 8:19:26 GMT -5
Looks like Mize is turning into the guy everybody thought he was We’ll see. He has never had the type of strikeout numbers most frontline starters have. I see him as more of a 3 if that doesn’t change It’s sad that the Tigers have a clear edge in all 3 pitching matchups in my eyes. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 3, 2021 8:33:22 GMT -5
Looks like Mize is turning into the guy everybody thought he was We’ll see. He has never had the type of strikeout numbers most frontline starters have. I see him as more of a 3 if that doesn’t change It’s sad that the Tigers have a clear edge in all 3 pitching matchups in my eyes. Hope Sale and Houck remove Richards and Perez from rotation. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 3, 2021 9:19:09 GMT -5
You look at the pitching matchups and you can make an argument that the Tigers have the better starter going in each of the three games. That's not a good thing.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 3, 2021 9:33:09 GMT -5
You look at the pitching matchups and you can make an argument that the Tigers have the better starter going in each of the three games. That's not a good thing. Richards has a lower FIP and xFIP than Peralta.
Rodriguez has a lower FIP and xFIP than Mize.
Perez has a lower FIP but a higher xFIP than Skubal.
Looks like three basically even matchups to me. The Tigers pitchers are also a low-K bunch who give up a lot of homers (plus their defense is atrocious), which will hopefully allow the Red Sox' bats to wake up a bit.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 3, 2021 9:42:27 GMT -5
Peralta has not pitched much this year and got off to a great start but has given up 11 runs over 9 innings in his last 2 starts. I hope the Sox bats can wake up against that back drop.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2021 10:55:20 GMT -5
I don't follow much MLB other than the Red Sox, but I wonder if a lot of other pitchers are starting to struggle because they're hitting a physical wall after the 60 game season last year. Hitters don't seem to be immune to this either.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 3, 2021 11:18:31 GMT -5
Must needed sweep. Get some momentum and hopefully regain 1st and maybe put some distance back on NY and TOR.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 3, 2021 11:41:15 GMT -5
You look at the pitching matchups and you can make an argument that the Tigers have the better starter going in each of the three games. That's not a good thing. Richards has a lower FIP and xFIP than Peralta. Rodriguez has a lower FIP and xFIP than Mize. Perez has a lower FIP but a higher xFIP than Skubal. Looks like three basically even matchups to me. The Tigers pitchers are also a low-K bunch who give up a lot of homers (plus their defense is atrocious), which will hopefully allow the Red Sox' bats to wake up a bit.
To be accurate I could say the Sox have the starters who have the ability to pitch better than their Tiger counterparts but haven't gotten as good results as their Tigers starting pitcher counterparts have gotten. Sometimes results actually matter. The big takeaway for me is the fact that you can even make a comparison between the two teams' rotations given how sad sack the Tigers' starters have been for years is what's eye opening. That's the point I'm trying to make. Meh, Richards and Peralta both are lousy. E-Rod is better than his ERA, but still results count, and he's been lousy. Mize is worse than his ERA, but I'd still take him every day of the week over E-Rod. We all know what Mize can become and he's already starting to get there. Perez and Skubal are both mediocre, but I'll take Skubal over Perez. Skubal's big issue is the HR ball. Perez's issue is that he's relentlessly mediocre and gets worse as the season goes on. Safe to say this isn't the 1971 Orioles versus the 1993 Braves rotations. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2021 12:05:06 GMT -5
Yes results matter more than what should/could/isn't, however the advanced stats are more predictive of the future if the way they are pitching remains the same.
ERod cannot remain as unlucky as he has been forever.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 3, 2021 12:14:42 GMT -5
We’ll see. He has never had the type of strikeout numbers most frontline starters have. I see him as more of a 3 if that doesn’t change It’s sad that the Tigers have a clear edge in all 3 pitching matchups in my eyes. Hope Sale and Houck remove Richards and Perez from rotation. In time. Patience and we shall receive |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 3, 2021 12:31:16 GMT -5
Yes results matter more than what should/could/isn't, however the advanced stats are more predictive of the future if the way they are pitching remains the same.
ERod cannot remain as unlucky as he has been forever.
No he can't but he's giving it a good try. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 3, 2021 13:16:11 GMT -5
Looks like Mize is turning into the guy everybody thought he was We’ll see. He has never had the type of strikeout numbers most frontline starters have. I see him as more of a 3 if that doesn’t change It’s sad that the Tigers have a clear edge in all 3 pitching matchups in my eyes. So a Boston #1? I'll take Mize over anyone not named Sale in this rotation. Even Nasty Nate. The lack of movement at the deadline destroyed the vibes on this team. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 3, 2021 13:50:14 GMT -5
We’ll see. He has never had the type of strikeout numbers most frontline starters have. I see him as more of a 3 if that doesn’t change It’s sad that the Tigers have a clear edge in all 3 pitching matchups in my eyes. So a Boston #1? I'll take Mize over anyone not named Sale in this rotation. Even Nasty Nate. The lack of movement at the deadline destroyed the vibes on this team. Acquiring a slugger with a 900+ OPS = doing nothing. Does everyone realize the Yankees have won 27 Championships? |
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Post by jimoh on Aug 3, 2021 14:15:49 GMT -5
Yes results matter more than what should/could/isn't, however the advanced stats are more predictive of the future if the way they are pitching remains the same.
ERod cannot remain as unlucky as he has been forever.
I know that ERod's bad stats include lots of bloop hits and well-timed (from the opponents' perspective) hits. But even though I know nothing about the medical aspects of this, could it be that usually, when a good pitcher had bad luck and puts a couple of people on base, he reaches down for that little extra and pitches his way out of it, but this year, because if what he went through last year, when ERod reaches down for that little extra, there is nothing there? That he is still a little lacking in strength? |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2021 14:22:31 GMT -5
Yes results matter more than what should/could/isn't, however the advanced stats are more predictive of the future if the way they are pitching remains the same.
ERod cannot remain as unlucky as he has been forever.
I know that ERod's bad stats include lots of bloop hits and well-timed (from the opponents' perspective) hits. But even though I know nothing about the medical aspects of this, could it be that usually, when a good pitcher had bad luck and puts a couple of people on base, he reaches down for that little extra and pitches his way out of it, but this year, because if what he went through last year, when ERod reaches down for that little extra, there is nothing there? That he is still a little lacking in strength? Possibly? But he does have the best whiff rates, walk rates and k rates of his career this sesaon.
He's got the trifecta of bad luck this year. Soft contact hits(BABIP 61 points higher than his career), way too high HR/FB% and way too low LOB%.
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Post by cdj on Aug 3, 2021 14:35:59 GMT -5
So a Boston #1? I'll take Mize over anyone not named Sale in this rotation. Even Nasty Nate. The lack of movement at the deadline destroyed the vibes on this team. Acquiring a slugger with a 900+ OPS = doing nothing. Does everyone realize the Yankees have won 27 Championships? I think he’s trolling me at this point lol MY PHONE IS ALREADY IN THE OCEAN WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM ME?  ? |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 3, 2021 14:36:08 GMT -5
I’ve got to the point where I can’t watch Richards anymore. At least Perez is half the price of Richards.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 3, 2021 15:13:04 GMT -5
So he's sick, but hasn't tested positive for COVID, but the Red Sox will use the COVID IL and get a replacement on the roster?
A little sketchy if you ask me.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 3, 2021 15:17:20 GMT -5
So he's sick, but hasn't tested positive for COVID, but the Red Sox will use the COVID IL and get a replacement on the roster? A little sketchy if you ask me. Uh-oh. The bullpen just got a lot thinner. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 3, 2021 15:27:26 GMT -5
So he's sick, but hasn't tested positive for COVID, but the Red Sox will use the COVID IL and get a replacement on the roster? A little sketchy if you ask me. Take advantage of the rule while it’s around The league prefers teams to be safe rather than sorry these days |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 3, 2021 15:38:01 GMT -5
How long must Barnes be on the IL?
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