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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 29, 2013 8:22:32 GMT -5
Ian, read your blog on Ranaudo and I couldn't figure out what to make of him. Nim hoping people can use this thread to give consistent scouting reports of him throughout the season in Portland. Ian's report pretty much reinforced what's wrong with him. He has no consistency. Can't stay healthy, can't keep the mechanics, can't string innings together. The talent still exists, which is the first ingredient. The second is staying on the mound to give the rest a chance.
Hopefully, those who go to Sea Dogs games can report back regularly. Hopefully, others can post reports of him and his outings as well.
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Post by lennsakata on Mar 29, 2013 19:49:11 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Mar 30, 2013 8:21:36 GMT -5
If I remember correctly he started his first pro season well and tired out as the innings increased. I agree there is still to much potential there to give up on him and this is a huge year for him. He has to stay healthy.
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Post by Luke Lavoie on Apr 8, 2013 23:51:03 GMT -5
Ian breaks down Ranaudo a bit on the podcast if you're interested. news.soxprospects.com/2013/04/soxprospectscom-podcast-31.htmlTune in at the 12:40 mark. More or less a brief recap of the scouting scratch, but sounds like he's optimistic about a bounce back season. One thing about Ranaudo that interests me is height. There is the old baseball adage "taller pitchers take longer to develop." Not sure how valid that is, but I think Ian's comment that his inconsistent delivery is attributable to his 6"7 frame makes sense. Definitely a guy to watch this year.
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Post by awall on Apr 9, 2013 8:13:47 GMT -5
it makes perfect sense, biomechanically, for it to be harder to perfect a delivery with a tall frame and long arms. the further away from the center of rotation you get, the more speed you develop, but any flaw in swing path gets amplified. there's a good reason drivers have long handles and wedges are short.
i hope he can be healthy all year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 11:34:23 GMT -5
Ranaudo has come back on to the prospect radar after a disastrous 2012 season. So far, he has been dominant at the Double-A level. He still has very good stuff, and he may not be too far from Boston.
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Post by jchang on Apr 29, 2013 11:58:51 GMT -5
Stolmy is also having a great start to 2013 in AA. It seems many high pitching prospects have a rough welcome to AA. We should stop panicking when this happens (Barnes). So far I like our other Portland starting pitchers too. Even if they give up a few runs early, they tighten down and hang in for 5-6 innings.
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Post by sammo420 on Apr 29, 2013 12:44:50 GMT -5
I was one of the last few on the Ranaudo bandwagon and I was getting ready to get off myself so this season so far is a pleasant although much needed surprise. It really does take taller people more time to develop especially it added another inch to be 6'8. I'll keep that in mind when I chart Henry Owens' progress.
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Post by mdp222 on Apr 29, 2013 15:30:32 GMT -5
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Post by rdsxmbnt on Apr 29, 2013 16:40:29 GMT -5
Little confused why I'm seeing so many back-end starter projects for Ranuado. Seems like with his pedigree, mid-90's velocity, plus curve, and average change he has a #2 ceiling. This could just be arguing semantics but have to think if he's healthy and keeps producing then he looks like a potential mid-rotation SP or more.
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Post by jmei on Apr 29, 2013 17:08:32 GMT -5
1) Mid-90s velocity is a bit generous. The latest scouting reports have him sitting at 92-94 mph and touching 95-96. 2) Velocity alone won't do it, and Ranaudo doesn't have a great history of fastball command. Indeed, his inability to command the fastball was the main culprit for his terrible 2012 season. Early scouting reports have been mostly optimistic about his command so far, with one report of Ranaudo "throwing strikes with his fastball and commanding the pitch well" but another indicating that "He has a lot of moving parts in his delivery as a result of his height, and he struggled to find his release point in the outing. When he got locked into his arm slot in the third and fourth innings, however, he started to cruise and easily overpowered hitters. " Time will tell whether he can maintain improved fastball command, and this is one of the areas I am going to watch closely going forward. 3) Semantic point: a number two starter in scouting parlance might not mean what you think it does. In that link, Sickles identifies guys like Matt Cain or Zack Greinke as examples of number two starters while guys like Mike Pelfrey, Joe Blanton, and Phil Hughes are number three starters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 17:31:36 GMT -5
Blanton a number 3? The (#1, #2, #3, Etc) denomination has aways seemed contrived to me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 30, 2013 7:30:56 GMT -5
Ranaudo's struggles last year seem to stem from injury more then anything else. Fastball velocity and command along with everything else was affected as a result. I'm happy to see him dominating early. We need to see him put it all together for a full healthy year. Then we need to see him have quality years in a row. He hasn't seemed to do these things yet even in college. He could still end up a late inning reliever as a result... We've seen how valuable that can be though.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 30, 2013 10:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 11:53:33 GMT -5
I absolutely agree. However it is encouraging that he doesn't seem to be getting people out by throwing slop and commanding it well. According to BP, he has good life and plane on his fastball, tall guys often do, is flashing a plus curveball, and is throwing a decent changeup.
I would agree that this isn't the profile of someone that you can think about putting in the major league rotation anytime soon. But it is the profile of someone who has a realistic chance of being a good major league starter one day. That's a far cry from where he was and it is three pitches that are at least major league average.
The next step is for him to show that he can stay on the field, but a 55/60/50 on the fastball, curve, change? I'll take that from a guy that some of us had written off.
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Post by bluechip on May 18, 2013 13:44:40 GMT -5
I need to bump this thread.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 3, 2013 11:32:54 GMT -5
I couldn't find a thread for our comeback prospect of the year so I wanted to create one.
I am assuming the Ranaudo's time frame to the majors has changed as he has been dominate in AA this year. How far is he from an AAA promotion, and is there any chance he gets a shot at the big time this year? He is not on the 40 man so it would bad breaks from other players for him to get a shot.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 3, 2013 11:53:02 GMT -5
There At the MaL level right now he sounds like a RP. Cundall's comments about his changeup being a nothing pitch were concerning. I wonder if they might take a Workman-type approach and tell him it's okay to get hit hard if he can work on his changeup for a while. Or send him to AAA and have him learn one from RDLR.
In response to the other part, I don't see him getting a shot at the majors, no matter what. He had 40 IP last year. I fully expect him to fade in September.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 3, 2013 15:15:32 GMT -5
Ranaudo has the pedigree and the stuff top be a #3 starter on a first division team the only question is if he can stay healthy.
That being said, I think there's almost no way that he makes it to Boston this season. Assuming he stays on the track he's on he'll be in AAA by the end of July.
The change-up is the third pitch and it's better then Cundall is giving him credit for (didn't read that report). He has the best curveball in the system and throws 94-96 plenty enough without an elite change
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 3, 2013 15:34:57 GMT -5
Hammerhead - Ranaudo's velocity, best I can tell, jumps around a lot. I think holding velocity, both deep into games, and deep into the season, is a big question mark and key to his success. If he can do that, he can get away with an average changeup. He certainly has the body to be able to sit in that range if he can keep his motion intact. That changeup comment was based on a twitter exchange about one start, so I hope you are right.
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Post by rdsxmbnt on Jun 3, 2013 16:13:54 GMT -5
Not too concerned about his lack of changeup as there have been lots of FB/CU power (starting) pitchers with a weaker third offering (Josh Beckett comes to mind, not that Ranuado has quite that ceiling). I think what will ultimately make Ranuado a successful starter is (as others have mentioned) his durability and endurance. I think the changeup will come with experience, and it is much easier to teach someone a third pitch like a changeup then it is to teach someone a plus curve like he has.
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Post by jmei on Jun 5, 2013 7:42:30 GMT -5
For me, it comes down to fastball command. If Ranaudo can throw downhill (remember, he's a tall dude at 6'7") and command his fastball well without sacrificing velocity, he can get by with a mediocre changup. This is something he really struggled with last season that he seems to have improved significantly this year.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 14, 2013 13:23:10 GMT -5
Last night: 7 2/3 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 13 Ks
104 pitches and 77 strikes.
Not bad, not bad at all.
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Post by danr on Jun 14, 2013 13:42:11 GMT -5
His WHIP is a microscopic .93. He and Owens should be promoted.
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Post by Kevin Pereira on Jun 14, 2013 15:47:12 GMT -5
His WHIP is a microscopic .93. He and Owens should be promoted. Unless the Red Sox trade someone out of the PawSox rotation, Ranaudo's going to stay in Portland. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of roster construction. The rotation in Pawtucket is just too full.
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