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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 9, 2021 7:59:24 GMT -5
A last grasp at optimism is that the Sox still have 10 head to head games with TB and could turn this around. And if you believe the Tigers are a good team playing well then the Rays have a very tough September with just 2 series against weak teams and 19 games against us, Toronto, MFY and Houston. It could still be an interesting ride to the playoffs, the Sox aren't as bad as they have been for the past month. Or maybe they are.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Aug 9, 2021 8:00:53 GMT -5
What would have felt more deserved: A sweep by the Jays, or 3-1 Sox series win? The Jays doesn't deserves a sweep with with how well Pivetta, Houck pitch their games. Today loss was a give away. So just like I said in my original post (which you left out), the Red Sox going 1-3 was an accomplishment. They didn't deserve to win any of the other 3 games. You don't deserve to win a game when you don't score and get 2 hits - no matter how well your starter pitched! And but for Kiké's outstanding leaping catch against the centerfield fence in the second game on Saturday, they would have lost that game! Look I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Sox fan, but we got steamrolled. Yes you could say the Red Sox COULD have gone 3-1 this series, but come on - it feels a lot more like they COULD have gotten SWEPT, rather than they narrowly missed taking 3 out of 4 from the Jays this weekend!
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 9, 2021 9:37:37 GMT -5
I disagree, you're looking through a biased lens. There were 3 1-run games, why would they not have "deserved" to win the other two of them? Especially yesterday's game, they most certainly deserved to win that game but it didn't happen.
By my very basic assessment, they had a 50/50 shot for the last 3 games and had no shot on the first one (although to be fair at the halfway point of the game they were up 2-0). That's a 1.5 win expectation.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Aug 9, 2021 12:46:09 GMT -5
I disagree, you're looking through a biased lens. There were 3 1-run games, why would they not have "deserved" to win the other two of them? Especially yesterday's game, they most certainly deserved to win that game but it didn't happen. By my very basic assessment, they had a 50/50 shot for the last 3 games and had no shot on the first one (although to be fair at the halfway point of the game they were up 2-0). That's a 1.5 win expectation. I'm not sure if this is direct to me, but how did the Red Sox deserve to win yesterday's game? They lost it in 8.5 innings. The Jays only batted 8 times. Who was going to pitch the 9th for the Sox? The most successful pitcher the Sox had yesterday (Taylor) only pitched 1/3 of an inning and gave up a hit and a walk and left those runners for Sawamura to clean up. Yes they had a 7-2 lead, but there were still 6 innings left to play. Unfortunately this wasn't one of those 7 inning games. Let's be honest they were fortunate to win the nightcap on Saturday. The bad baserunning in the top of the 7th. Even Barnes thought he gave it up. Kiké made one of the catches of the year given the circumstances (in the bottom of the 7th) - that was very fortunate. That ball was hit very hard. The Sox simply did not deserve a split in the series, and any honest Red Sox fans that think they did are delusional.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 9, 2021 12:50:57 GMT -5
Just as they had a bit of luck earlier, that has turned on them for now. As part of that, there's a disconnect between games where the starters excel, and games when the bats come alive. That said, I cringed when both Ottovino and Barnes were trotted out. Others probably mentioned it, but it was clear to me that they've been laboring under the workload. The team needs to walk a fine line between managing their relief options and trying to finish off games.
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 9, 2021 18:27:12 GMT -5
I disagree, you're looking through a biased lens. There were 3 1-run games, why would they not have "deserved" to win the other two of them? Especially yesterday's game, they most certainly deserved to win that game but it didn't happen. By my very basic assessment, they had a 50/50 shot for the last 3 games and had no shot on the first one (although to be fair at the halfway point of the game they were up 2-0). That's a 1.5 win expectation. I'm not sure if this is direct to me, but how did the Red Sox deserve to win yesterday's game? They lost it in 8.5 innings. The Jays only batted 8 times. Who was going to pitch the 9th for the Sox? The most successful pitcher the Sox had yesterday (Taylor) only pitched 1/3 of an inning and gave up a hit and a walk and left those runners for Sawamura to clean up. Yes they had a 7-2 lead, but there were still 6 innings left to play. Unfortunately this wasn't one of those 7 inning games. Let's be honest they were fortunate to win the nightcap on Saturday. The bad baserunning in the top of the 7th. Even Barnes thought he gave it up. Kiké made one of the catches of the year given the circumstances (in the bottom of the 7th) - that was very fortunate. That ball was hit very hard. The Sox simply did not deserve a split in the series, and any honest Red Sox fans that think they did are delusional. The last three games were 50/50, either team could have won and they fell to the Blue Jays. Did they deserve a split, no, but they most certainly deserved 1 win and 2 wins wouldn't have felt like a steal. 3 would have for sure. Thinking about it as a Blue Jays fan, I think they are thrilled to come away with 3 wins given their hitting on Saturday and the deficit they faced yesterday. I doubt they are thinking 3 was a steal, but objectively it feels like a "we deserved 2 and are glad we eked out a third". This series in hindsight has a lot of parallels to our Yankees series a few weeks back, we felt we deserved 2 (the Cole game and the one we blew) and are thrilled we stole one more.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 9, 2021 20:26:04 GMT -5
Can somebody please close this fucking thread
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2021 20:35:03 GMT -5
Can somebody please close this fucking thread
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