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Post by notnickyorke on Sept 2, 2021 5:55:50 GMT -5
How do we feel about bringing Schwarber back next year. Is it dependent on what JD is going to do. I think he is opting in, even if NL goes DH. I don’t like the roster construction with both Schwarber and JD on it and I loathe paying guys coming off a career year like a Schwarber is, especially when there are multiple years of one level of performance before the potential outlier contract year. However JD has been tossing away at bats by the bucket load, and I enjoy Schwarber’s professions at bats. Not sure what to do with him next year. I like JD, but I'd bet that Schwarber outproduces him the next 3 years. As long as JD's slump doesn't extend the rest of the season, I think he is a pretty good bet to opt out. He'd be one of the best complete hitters on the market and its not hard to imagine him getting more then a 19 million guarantee. Really the only hitter that seems clearly better then him in the DH/corner outfield market is Schwarber.
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Sept 2, 2021 7:43:20 GMT -5
How do we feel about bringing Schwarber back next year. Is it dependent on what JD is going to do. I think he is opting in, even if NL goes DH. I don’t like the roster construction with both Schwarber and JD on it and I loathe paying guys coming off a career year like a Schwarber is, especially when there are multiple years of one level of performance before the potential outlier contract year. However JD has been tossing away at bats by the bucket load, and I enjoy Schwarber’s professions at bats. Not sure what to do with him next year. I like JD, but I'd bet that Schwarber outproduces him the next 3 years. As long as JD's slump doesn't extend the rest of the season, I think he is a pretty good bet to opt out. He'd be one of the best complete hitters on the market and its not hard to imagine him getting more then a 19 million guarantee. Really the only hitter that seems clearly better then him in the DH/corner outfield market is Schwarber. I would take Schwarber in a heartbeat at this stage of their respective careers. With the exception of the COVID season, he’s on an upward trajectory, unlike JD, and Chaim seems to really like Schwarber. That being said, I wouldn’t pay him $20M/year on a long-term deal (more than 3 years) to DH. As for JD, if you take out 2017/2018, he looks an awful lot like Nelson Cruz (who had his big outlier season at age 38 in 2019). Not to say that’s a bad thing but Cruz has never made $15M/year and has been in the $13M to $15M range since 2015, which was his age 34 season, same age as JD now. I could see JD opting out to try to get a 3-year, $51M contract but I don’t think there’s much chance that he gets better than $19M on a multi-year deal.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 3, 2021 16:02:03 GMT -5
My dad used to always say, a man is only as good as his word (sorry attorneys, lol).
Something JDM said when ne signed his contract (paraphrasing), The opt out was something my agent wanted added, I won't opt out.
It could be that his agent will attempt to convert the opt out to an extension but, that will be a hollow attempt that isn't likely.
I have no reason to believe JDM isn't a good man.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 3, 2021 16:04:24 GMT -5
My dad used to always say, a man is only as good as his word (sorry attorneys, lol). Something JDM said when ne signed his contract (paraphrasing), The opt out was something my agent wanted added, I won't opt out. It could be that his agent will attempt to convert the opt out to an extension but, that will be a hollow attempt that isn't likely. I have no reason to believe JDM isn't a good man. I think JDM has at least one really good season left in him. He's not what he was, but all in all, he's still damn good. He's hitting .280 in a .240 league with power. He could help the team in 2022. I think he'll opt in, but it wouldn't shock me to see Bloom try to trade him (for one of those multi-purpose pitching arms), especially if he finds a way to bring Schwarber back.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 3, 2021 20:22:16 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Sept 4, 2021 12:59:50 GMT -5
That's one of those images where people like to say "that looks like a Renaissance painting" (but they really mean Baroque painting, and they really really just mean it's a well-composed and narratively evocative image; but in any event it is very cool).
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Post by art on Sept 4, 2021 14:04:16 GMT -5
That's one of those images where people like to say "that looks like a Renaissance painting" (but they really mean Baroque painting, and they really really just mean it's a well-composed and narratively evocative image; but in any event it is very cool). Maybe more like a Norman Rockwell.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 4, 2021 14:42:34 GMT -5
I doubt JD opts out and where does Schwarber play with an OF of Duran, Renfroe and Duggy. I would like to see Schwarber here but do you keep all 5 of them? Does Schwarber practice firstbase enough to platoon there with Dalbec? Makes for a pretty solid group filling 5 spots. But then you don't have Kiki playing much in center. Does Duran need any more time in AAA? He could be like Dalbec was this year and that wouldn't be ideal. Interesting roster decisions for next year.
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Post by jimgosger on Sept 4, 2021 14:55:18 GMT -5
Duran still has some work to do. He's #4 in the OF. Meanwhile Schwarber continues to work at 1B rotating between !b, LF and DH.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 4, 2021 16:12:11 GMT -5
I doubt JD opts out and where does Schwarber play with an OF of Duran, Renfroe and Duggy. I would like to see Schwarber here but do you keep all 5 of them? Does Schwarber practice firstbase enough to platoon there with Dalbec? Makes for a pretty solid group filling 5 spots. But then you don't have Kiki playing much in center. Does Duran need any more time in AAA? He could be like Dalbec was this year and that wouldn't be ideal. Interesting roster decisions for next year. Schwarber is a fit no matter how you slice it. Kiki can play 2b. For OF he's better than Duran. He's also a better player than Duggy. For 1b he's better than Dlabec. For DH - he and JDM they could split OF and frankly at 35- JDM could use some more rest. With 4 caliber .900 OPS guys-- you take one out for rest (or injury)- your lineup still remains extremely formidable. Not saying Schwarber is the answer - CB doing a terrific job- if he goes in a different direction got to believe he is going to be right. But with that said- Schwarber is a define fit as he has since day 1.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 4, 2021 20:10:14 GMT -5
I doubt JD opts out and where does Schwarber play with an OF of Duran, Renfroe and Duggy. I would like to see Schwarber here but do you keep all 5 of them? Does Schwarber practice firstbase enough to platoon there with Dalbec? Makes for a pretty solid group filling 5 spots. But then you don't have Kiki playing much in center. Does Duran need any more time in AAA? He could be like Dalbec was this year and that wouldn't be ideal. Interesting roster decisions for next year. Schwarber is a fit no matter how you slice it. Kiki can play 2b. For OF he's better than Duran. He's also a better player than Duggy. For 1b he's better than Dlabec. For DH - he and JDM they could split OF and frankly at 35- JDM could use some more rest. With 4 caliber .900 OPS guys-- you take one out for rest (or injury)- your lineup still remains extremely formidable. Not saying Schwarber is the answer - CB doing a terrific job- if he goes in a different direction got to believe he is going to be right. But with that said- Schwarber is a define fit as he has since day 1. Their best defensive alignment is Verdugo, Kiké and Renfroe. Schwarber has 1 inning career-wise at 1B. It's a low bar with Dalbec, but let's see Schwarber actually play there. Duran hasn't done anything to make me automatically pencil him into next year's plans. Just an atrocious CFer who isn't currently hitting. This isn't to say I'm not for Schwarber's return. In fact, I'm for it. I would sell high on Renfroe and see how Schwarber handles 1B between the rest of this season and Spring Training.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 5, 2021 14:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by Coreno on Sept 5, 2021 16:04:18 GMT -5
Schwarber is a fit no matter how you slice it. Kiki can play 2b. For OF he's better than Duran. He's also a better player than Duggy. For 1b he's better than Dlabec. For DH - he and JDM they could split OF and frankly at 35- JDM could use some more rest. With 4 caliber .900 OPS guys-- you take one out for rest (or injury)- your lineup still remains extremely formidable. Not saying Schwarber is the answer - CB doing a terrific job- if he goes in a different direction got to believe he is going to be right. But with that said- Schwarber is a define fit as he has since day 1. Their best defensive alignment is Verdugo, Kiké and Renfroe. Schwarber has 1 inning career-wise at 1B. It's a low bar with Dalbec, but let's see Schwarber actually play there. Duran hasn't done anything to make me automatically pencil him into next year's plans. Just an atrocious CFer who isn't currently hitting. This isn't to say I'm not for Schwarber's return. In fact, I'm for it. I would sell high on Renfroe and see how Schwarber handles 1B between the rest of this season and Spring Training. He's played multiple games there already with the Sox.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 5, 2021 16:08:47 GMT -5
Their best defensive alignment is Verdugo, Kiké and Renfroe. Schwarber has 1 inning career-wise at 1B. It's a low bar with Dalbec, but let's see Schwarber actually play there. Duran hasn't done anything to make me automatically pencil him into next year's plans. Just an atrocious CFer who isn't currently hitting. This isn't to say I'm not for Schwarber's return. In fact, I'm for it. I would sell high on Renfroe and see how Schwarber handles 1B between the rest of this season and Spring Training. He's played multiple games there already with the Sox. I must have missed this. I've been pretty tuned out since the end of August. I'm popping my head in every once in awhile, but didn't see Schwarber got a few games there? Every time I see it's Dalbec or Shaw. I know he was going to start there until Duran got pulled. I do see he's 1 for 8 at 1B though so he's clearly played there. Curious how he looked in limited sampling?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 6, 2021 7:28:09 GMT -5
My dad used to always say, a man is only as good as his word (sorry attorneys, lol). Something JDM said when ne signed his contract (paraphrasing), The opt out was something my agent wanted added, I won't opt out. It could be that his agent will attempt to convert the opt out to an extension but, that will be a hollow attempt that isn't likely. I have no reason to believe JDM isn't a good man. I could definitely be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that was Sale, no?
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Post by jimoh on Sept 6, 2021 10:17:30 GMT -5
Schwarber is hitting so well; can we get Marwin out of the title of his thread?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 6, 2021 11:53:37 GMT -5
Schwarber is hitting so well; can we get Marwin out of the title of his thread? Yes, I'm all for a separate, Marwin-only thread chronicling how he slowly, inevitably brings about the Astros' demise...
I'm actually going to be watching to see if they let him bat left-handed. He was actually not that bad for the Sox batting righty vs. LHP (100 wRC+) and I wonder if it's more a matter of him simply being a RH hitter who has no business switch-hitting (37 wRC+ batting LH vs. RHP). It's not like he's fast enough to make the extra step toward first matter.
I have absolutely no idea why AC gave him 171 ABs vs. RHP and only 70 vs. LHP. If those numbers had been reversed, he might still be a useful piece on the Sox bench (particularly given how much the Sox have struggled vs. LHP) and we wouldn't all hate him.
EDIT: Actually I do know why AC did that. Marwin was a veteran, therefore he "deserved" the opportunity to be an everyday player. I get that in April and maybe May -- you're still trying to figure out who you are as a team -- but Marwin's plug should've been pulled by Mother's Day at the latest.
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