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9/10-9/12 Red Sox @ White Sox Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Sept 9, 2021 21:22:43 GMT -5
9/10 Red Sox (RHP Tanner Houck, 0-3, 3.26, 49.2 IP, 62K:12BB) @ White Sox (LHP Carlos Rodon, 11-5, 2.41, 119.2 IP, 168K:32BB) 8:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/11 Red Sox (RHP Connor Seabold*, 2-3, 3.67, 41.2 IP, 44K:13BB) @ White Sox (RHP Dylan Cease, 11-7, 3.87, 148.2 IP, 197K:59BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/12 Red Sox (TBD, Sale to COVID list) @ White Sox (RHP Lance Lynn, 10-4, 2.59, 135.2 IP, 152K:42BB) 2:10 pm ET, NESN, TBS (out-of-market)/WEEI *MLB debut, AAA stats shown MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2021: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 9, 2021 23:49:46 GMT -5
This is the danger zone guys. We got this tough as nails series while the Mariners, Blue Jays and Yankees all get sort of gimmies over the weekend. AND then we fight the M's. Clench your fists like a dentist visit because things could get medieval.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 10, 2021 7:43:52 GMT -5
It was a joy to watch the MFY drop another last night. Boone's face... priceless. Hoping our boys smell blood in the water and play inspiring ball on this trip
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2021 10:10:31 GMT -5
No Sale on Saturday
Sighhhhhh
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 10, 2021 10:11:32 GMT -5
Damn. I thought winning two out of three in this series would be tough with Sale. Without him and with two games started by TBD, it'll be good just not to get swept.
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Post by cheers on Sept 10, 2021 10:16:47 GMT -5
Steal one and hope the other non-Jay WC contenders continue to stink at baseball...
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 10, 2021 10:46:22 GMT -5
WEEI blowhards said Seabold is with the team. That would give me hope.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2021 11:01:05 GMT -5
Ughhhh to the news of Sale being put on the Covid list.
I'm glad Seabold is getting a chance. I'd guess Kutter Crawford gets another start, too?
This is just about the last thing this team needed as they face 6 tough road games with four teams on their tail. They'll be lucky to win 2 games on this road trip. 3 wins would be amazing. This close wild card race might get even closer.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2021 11:01:14 GMT -5
Apparently after all this the Red Sox still aren't over the 85% vaccination threshold:
That's incredibly maddening. I know many, maybe most, of the guys who have gotten it are vaccinated. But whichever ones aren't vaccinated are bringing greater risk upon the team and it's just killing them at the most important point in the season. It's also a failure of management to persuade them. I would rarely say this about anything, but if this outbreak winds up causing them to miss the playoffs then they'll deserve it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2021 11:02:33 GMT -5
Apparently after all this the Red Sox still aren't over the 85% vaccination threshold:
That's incredibly maddening. I know many, maybe most, of the guys who have gotten it are vaccinated. But whichever ones aren't vaccinated are bringing greater risk upon the team and it's just killing them at the most important point in the season. It's also a failure of management to persuade them. I would rarely say this about anything, but if this outbreak winds up causing them to miss the playoffs then they'll deserve it.
Like the old saying goes....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The timing of these outbreaks could hardly be worse. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 10, 2021 11:03:16 GMT -5
WEEI blowhards said Seabold is with the team. That would give me hope. It was reported yesterday. Taxi squad for this trip (as of yesterday) was Seabold, Ort, Lopez, Herrmann. As I speculated in the MiLB gameday thread and on Twitter, I'd be surprised if they don't scratch Crawford tonight and have him at least join the team, but Pete Abe is reporting that Pivetta may be able to come off the IL. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2021 11:04:11 GMT -5
My daily tidbit I learned from BBREF is that Seabold and John Altobelli (JJ’s father, RIP) went to the same high school in California. Connections! Familiarity!
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2021 11:17:36 GMT -5
Apparently after all this the Red Sox still aren't over the 85% vaccination threshold:
That's incredibly maddening. I know many, maybe most, of the guys who have gotten it are vaccinated. But whichever ones aren't vaccinated are bringing greater risk upon the team and it's just killing them at the most important point in the season. It's also a failure of management to persuade them. I would rarely say this about anything, but if this outbreak winds up causing them to miss the playoffs then they'll deserve it.
Like the old saying goes....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The timing of these outbreaks could hardly be worse. No, but you can mandate behaviors that are necessary for the health of the team. I had to get vaccinated to return to in-person work; I don't see why the same couldn't have been required of Red Sox players and staff.
Heck, the Yankees don't let their players grow mustaches. But teams can't require preventative health measures like every elementary school in America does?
(And lest anyone bring up the point that they're healthy athletes who don't need to be vaccinated - that's irrelevant. MLB policies are what they are and these guys are hurting the team, both by missing time themselves and by getting their teammates sick and causing them to miss time.)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 10, 2021 11:19:55 GMT -5
Like the old saying goes....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The timing of these outbreaks could hardly be worse. No, but you can mandate behaviors that are necessary for the health of the team. I had to get vaccinated to return to in-person work; I don't see why the same couldn't have been required of Red Sox players and staff. Heck, the Yankees don't let their players grow mustaches. But teams can't require preventative health measures like every elementary school in America does?
(And lest anyone bring up the point that they're healthy athletes who don't need to be vaccinated - that's irrelevant. MLB policies are what they are and these guys are hurting the team, both by missing time themselves and by getting their teammates sick and causing them to miss time.)
Collective bargaining. That's why some teams are making all of their other employees get vaccinated but can't make the players. |
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 10, 2021 11:27:20 GMT -5
Like the old saying goes....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The timing of these outbreaks could hardly be worse. No, but you can mandate behaviors that are necessary for the health of the team. I had to get vaccinated to return to in-person work; I don't see why the same couldn't have been required of Red Sox players and staff.
Heck, the Yankees don't let their players grow mustaches. But teams can't require preventative health measures like every elementary school in America does?
(And lest anyone bring up the point that they're healthy athletes who don't need to be vaccinated - that's irrelevant. MLB policies are what they are and these guys are hurting the team, both by missing time themselves and by getting their teammates sick and causing them to miss time.)
Why are pitchers who aren't starting for that day even in the dugout during this outbreak? Shouldn't they be told to keep a distance from everyone until their next scheduled start? For what it's worth, the only way to change the behavior is to tie it to finances. Any of the guys who chose not to get vaccinated and then miss time should not be paid for the games they miss. I know it doesn't solve for the vaccinated guys who still caught it, but at least it puts a price on responsibility. As for the healthy athletes debate, it's all fine to say that until the first guy who isn't fine happens. With the continuous spread and the expansion of variants from this continued spread, it really is only a matter of time statistically before one of these healthy athletes gets a more severe, possibly career ending, if not life ending case. |
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2021 11:29:30 GMT -5
No, but you can mandate behaviors that are necessary for the health of the team. I had to get vaccinated to return to in-person work; I don't see why the same couldn't have been required of Red Sox players and staff. Heck, the Yankees don't let their players grow mustaches. But teams can't require preventative health measures like every elementary school in America does?
(And lest anyone bring up the point that they're healthy athletes who don't need to be vaccinated - that's irrelevant. MLB policies are what they are and these guys are hurting the team, both by missing time themselves and by getting their teammates sick and causing them to miss time.)
Collective bargaining. That's why some teams are making all of their other employees get vaccinated but can't make the players. Well displace some of my frustration from the Red Sox players to the union then. But I'm also in a union and it was happy to go along with vaccine requirements...
And I still think it's a failure of team leadership. Wasn't it reported that the entire Rays team was vaccinated? Apparently it's possible to activate whatever esprit de corps is necessary to prevent players from making self-destructive and anti-social decisions.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2021 11:33:09 GMT -5
No, but you can mandate behaviors that are necessary for the health of the team. I had to get vaccinated to return to in-person work; I don't see why the same couldn't have been required of Red Sox players and staff.
Heck, the Yankees don't let their players grow mustaches. But teams can't require preventative health measures like every elementary school in America does?
(And lest anyone bring up the point that they're healthy athletes who don't need to be vaccinated - that's irrelevant. MLB policies are what they are and these guys are hurting the team, both by missing time themselves and by getting their teammates sick and causing them to miss time.)
Why are pitchers who aren't starting for that day even in the dugout during this outbreak? Shouldn't they be told to keep a distance from everyone until their next scheduled start? I guess it wouldn't hurt, but from what Renfroe said Kiké got others sick on a team flight. Don't know how he'd know that (maybe they figured it out based on who he was sitting next to?) but in any event it speaks to the fact that they're around each other a lot, and not just in the dugout and clubhouse. |
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 10, 2021 11:34:45 GMT -5
Why are pitchers who aren't starting for that day even in the dugout during this outbreak? Shouldn't they be told to keep a distance from everyone until their next scheduled start? I guess it wouldn't hurt, but from what Renfroe said Kiké got others sick on a team flight. Don't know how he'd know that (maybe they figured it out based on who he was sitting next to?) but in any event it speaks to the fact that they're around each other a lot, and not just in the dugout and clubhouse. That's it, no more French Kissing Contests on the team charter. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 10, 2021 11:43:23 GMT -5
WEEI blowhards said Seabold is with the team. That would give me hope. Couldn't be any worse than Kutter or Peacock making starts down the stretch. Are all of these players unvaccinated? I would hope the ones that are get heavily fined for their selfish decision. |
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 10, 2021 11:47:33 GMT -5
What are we - 16 days into this COVID odyssey? And no end in sight to this madness. I predict the Red Sox will be held up as the poster child for NFL and other sports league teams as to what can happen if teams don't mandate vaccinations and adhere to strict protocols. I believe no other team in MLB has had this many players shelved over a 2 week span, where the inability to quell outbreaks has posed a very real threat to blowing up their season. It's beyond maddening. You always hate to use injuries and illnesses as excuses for a team not being able to make it to the post-season. No one will accept this as an excuse. Not when it's the Red Sox (team and players) own fault, and the vast majority of other teams seem to be able to easily navigate this new normal and greatly limit the impacts of the pandemic and outbreaks within their ranks.
And it wouldn't surprise me if a portion of the Red Sox fanbase checks out on this team if this DOESN"T STOP NOW! Rationale being - many are tired of this and why invest their time and energy supporting this team any longer this season when apparently not everyone at the club is pulling in the same direction and doing what is necessary to quell this? About a week ago I wondered whether this was going to stretch into October, and someone on here jokingly suggested that at least then the team might have herd immunity. I'm beginning to think that may wind up being the team's only salvation, but it could very well be too little too late. The team's handling of this is a travesty.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 10, 2021 12:23:45 GMT -5
What are we - 16 days into this COVID odyssey? And no end in sight to this madness. I predict the Red Sox will be held up as the poster child for NFL and other sports league teams as to what can happen if teams don't mandate vaccinations and adhere to strict protocols. I believe no other team in MLB has had this many players shelved over a 2 week span, where the inability to quell outbreaks has posed a very real threat to blowing up their season. It's beyond maddening. You always hate to use injuries and illnesses as excuses for a team not being able to make it to the post-season. No one will accept this as an excuse. Not when it's the Red Sox (team and players) own fault, and the vast majority of other teams seem to be able to easily navigate this new normal and greatly limit the impacts of the pandemic and outbreaks within their ranks. And it wouldn't surprise me if a portion of the Red Sox fanbase checks out on this team if this DOESN"T STOP NOW! Rationale being - many are tired of this and why invest their time and energy supporting this team any longer this season when apparently not everyone at the club is pulling in the same direction and doing what is necessary to quell this? About a week ago I wondered whether this was going to stretch into October, and someone on here jokingly suggested that at least then the team might have herd immunity. I'm beginning to think that may wind up being the team's only salvation, but it could very well be too little too late. The team's handling of this is a travesty. Its just a bad look with this organization. Really its 10 times worse than the Chicken and Beer nonsense. They aren't taking a pandemic that has killed millions seriously. All of these guys are extremely lucky they aren't headed towards ventilators which does make me believe that a lot of the guys were smart and got vaxxed. Guys who aren't vaxxed shouldn't be allowed to play until they comply. This is ridiculous and very selfish. I'm sure the Sox have over 100 employees so now the choice is out of their hands. Comply or give up your profession. Its the right move and guys need to fall in line, be adults and get the shot. Do their part to save lives. |
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Post by manfred on Sept 10, 2021 12:46:15 GMT -5
Look… I’m psycho about getting vaxxed, masks etc. As judgey as it gets, far more than appropriate for a board like this.
Buuuttt… we don’t know why this is happening to the Sox. Breakthrough cases happen. It is best to reserve judgement if we don’t know what is going on. There is a chance this is bad luck.
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Post by cdj on Sept 10, 2021 13:02:55 GMT -5
Renfroe’s comments yesterday indicate it was Kikè who was patient zero and he was vaccinated and got on a plane. That’s all this virus needs. There’s nobody to blame at this point, it’s just a crappy situation
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2021 13:09:53 GMT -5
Look⦠Iâm psycho about getting vaxxed, masks etc. As judgey as it gets, far more than appropriate for a board like this. Buuuttt⦠we donât know why this is happening to the Sox. Breakthrough cases happen. It is best to reserve judgement if we donât know what is going on. There is a chance this is bad luck. I'd go further and say it is definitely at least partially bad luck. If Kiké (as Renfroe suggested) was the patient zero of the outbreak, and he was vaccinated, then that is definitely just bad luck. And after all, the Yankees and Giants have had damaging outbreaks despite high vaccination rates.
But at least some of the Red Sox on covid IL were unvaxed. They probably contributed to the spread to other players. It seems almost certain that the outbreak wouldn't have been as bad if not for those guys.
Most drunk drivers make it home without running over a pedestrian. For the drunk driver who does run over a pedestrian (let alone the pedestrian themself!), that is bad luck. But it doesn't mean they're not responsible for what happened.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Sept 10, 2021 13:12:58 GMT -5
Look⦠Iâm psycho about getting vaxxed, masks etc. As judgey as it gets, far more than appropriate for a board like this. Buuuttt⦠we donât know why this is happening to the Sox. Breakthrough cases happen. It is best to reserve judgement if we donât know what is going on. There is a chance this is bad luck. I hear ya, I'm not blaming anyone specifically. After all the hard work Chis sale put in to get back to help the team, I'm sure no one feels worse about not being able to take his turn in the rotation. I just would like to know how is it that just the Red Sox are seeing so many breakthrough cases? Are the tight confines of Fenway in part to blame with the smaller dugouts, cramped club house, etc. Kiké apparently got his at the tail end of the homestand before the team left for the road trip to CLE. Perhaps players are more susceptible to exposure while at home. I think on the road MLB have protocols in place limiting where players were allowed to go. Whatever. I guess the players are used to the next man up mentality by now. Hopefully Sale only misses 1 start and this doesn't sap his strength in his next start. |
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