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Red Sox vs. Rays 2021 ALDS Gameday Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2021 16:46:11 GMT -5
jmei, since you are here.
I don't disagree with what you said but you have a bit of a double standard. You call out a poster for saying he was drunk yet SP is a bastion of drunks pushing crapt beers like as if it makes you cool including multiple managers. It doesn't.
Which is worse ?
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Post by tizzle on Oct 12, 2021 16:50:35 GMT -5
Thank you. And I hope the series DOES start Friday, because a few days' rest for the troops/arms is fine, but too much layoff creates rust and destroys momentum. So if we start Friday, Eovaldi and ERod could start the first two in Houston on normal rest (rather than added rest.) Is this what everybody is expecting, or does Sale need to be tried early - maybe better in Houston than Boston? He's going to have a long layoff as it is, which may be good given his condition. Would we rather have ERod facing Houston there than in Fenway (G2 and G6). Under any circumstances I think I want Eovaldi starting G1 and G5 because that would allow him to appear in relief in a G7, if it goes that far. I hope that we start Sale in game 1 because he is our best pitcher. I don't think it will happen, but I'd go 1. Eovaldi 2. Sale 3. ERod 4. Houck 5. Eovaldi 6. Sale 7. ERod Keep Pivetta in the pen. Sale gets extra rest before each start. Eovaldi on normal rest, a chance to start the series off right and to win a potential crucial game 5, Also would be available for maybe game 6 in relief, definitely game 7. Houck could still do some bullpen work early and late in series if needed.
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Post by tizzle on Oct 12, 2021 16:50:54 GMT -5
A smart guy with an insane hairdo once said that doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results is a definition of insanity. I can imagine that this might test the patience and politesse of their fan base. ... and I'm loving every minute of it...
Side note, this is a commonly attributed Einstein quote, but there’s no real evidence that he did indeed say it. See here: quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/23/same/Beat me to it.
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Post by patford on Oct 12, 2021 16:58:11 GMT -5
Yankee fans are more upset with Cashman than Boone I believe and I would be too if I were them. Cashman has been Mr. Teflon for so long, it'll be interesting to see if he survives this.
He's done a lot of things right (like building a huge, diverse, successful development program) but he just can't resist trying to win every off-season by overpaying superstars for past performance and then having to work around huge albatross contracts for years and years.
I think if I was Junior Steinbrenner, I would tell him, "Yeah, you can keep your job Brian, but at half your previous salary." I wonder how long his contract is. Years remaining on his contract must be the only thing keeping him employed.
I don't know that Bloom played Cashman but I suspect Cashmen did one of those "bidding against himself" when it came to the ransom given up to acquire Rizzo. It was so widely thought the Red Sox were all in on Rizzo I doubt Bloom had to do much more than stay in the conversation with the Cubs to push Cashman while at the same time Bloom was focused on Schwarber. Bloom strikes me as one of those guys who would be banned in Vegas. Every pit boss would have his picture on the wall. He's both smart and clever. One example of this is the way right when they called up Duran he made a big show of touting Duran's defense. I believed it at the time not having seen Duran but now I wonder if he wasn't listening to offers from other teams. The man is cagey.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 12, 2021 17:00:50 GMT -5
I suppose the fact that we see it differently pretty much defines not enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field. "I suppose the fact that you think rain is made of water and I think it's made of bat sneezes means there's just no way to know what rain is made of."
Okay, I'm joking around a little... it looks like what you're saying is that his hand came off the bag at a different point than the one Smoltz was talking about? If so, then it was just lousy work on the broadcast and the replay I saw.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 12, 2021 17:25:55 GMT -5
Thank you. And I hope the series DOES start Friday, because a few days' rest for the troops/arms is fine, but too much layoff creates rust and destroys momentum. So if we start Friday, Eovaldi and ERod could start the first two in Houston on normal rest (rather than added rest.) Is this what everybody is expecting, or does Sale need to be tried early - maybe better in Houston than Boston? He's going to have a long layoff as it is, which may be good given his condition. Would we rather have ERod facing Houston there than in Fenway (G2 and G6). Under any circumstances I think I want Eovaldi starting G1 and G5 because that would allow him to appear in relief in a G7, if it goes that far. I hope that we start Sale in game 1 because he is our best pitcher. Whaaaaa?? Are you trolling, or are you really that eager to see the Sox down 4-0 after the first inning of game 1? I think we’ve seen enough of “Big Game” Chris starting games in this postseason.
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Post by jmei on Oct 12, 2021 17:30:34 GMT -5
jmei, since you are here. I don't disagree with what you said but you have a bit of a double standard. You call out a poster for saying he was drunk yet SP is a bastion of drunks pushing crapt beers like as if it makes you cool including multiple managers. It doesn't. Which is worse ? I don’t understand the question?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2021 17:32:00 GMT -5
I suppose the fact that we see it differently pretty much defines not enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field. "I suppose the fact that you think rain is made of water and I think it's made of bat sneezes means there's just no way to know what rain is made of." Okay, I'm joking around a little... it looks like what you're saying is that his hand came off the bag at a different point than the one Smoltz was talking about? If so, then it was just lousy work on the broadcast and the replay I saw.
I had it on mute, I really don't care what Smoltz said. To me, it took seeing from two angles. One showed the hand coming up, the back angle showed a gap. At that specific point, it didn't appear that his forearm was on the bag. I think the ump got it right. I live flight 2 miles from the most populated fruit bat cave in the world (Monford Bat Cave). If there was bat snot in the rain, it wouldn't surprise me. See, not enough evidence.....
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Post by benzinger on Oct 12, 2021 17:34:18 GMT -5
Loving the insightful posting today. As usual. Personally I just keep watching the replay of Kikè lifting that ball to left and scoring Santana. The roar of the crowd is just absolutely perfect and electric. Fenway is an absolute animal when it sounds like that. Hoping that energy continues in the ALCS. Anyway, a magical moment to be sure. I think we do go Sale for game one. No reason to assume he will pitch poorly. He is bound to have some postseason success soon imo. His numbers this year are too good, and his BABIP is absurd as incandenza continues to note. Going to be a lot of fun come Friday. Edit just to say I think we might to Evo for one, but it’s a coin flip for me. They will be starters 1 and 2 for us, in some order. Chris Sale has a 3.03ERA in the regular season and a 7.27ERA for his postseason career. He’s the last guy I want starting. I’d probably rather see him before Barnes(and maybe Sawamura) at this time, but that would be about it on this staff. This Astros lineup is loaded and Sale would get crushed.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 12, 2021 17:36:50 GMT -5
Eovaldi is game 1 Erod in game 2 Pivetta in game 3
Houck and Sale as “rovers”
Robles, Brasier and Whitlock as your late inning guys. Let’s go!!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2021 17:39:39 GMT -5
jmei, since you are here. I don't disagree with what you said but you have a bit of a double standard. You call out a poster for saying he was drunk yet SP is a bastion of drunks pushing crapt beers like as if it makes you cool including multiple managers. It doesn't. Which is worse ? I don’t understand the question? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a loved one to alcoholism. Which is worse, somebody saying they are drunk or a constant barrage of pushing craft beers ? The problem isn't a drunk person, the problem is pushing alcoholism. Mike and Chris do it all the time and other posters follow suit yet you are silent. That's the double standard.
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Post by benzinger on Oct 12, 2021 17:47:02 GMT -5
Hard to believe that a week ago we were getting ready for the Wild Card game against the Yankees. Seems like a year ago.
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Post by jmei on Oct 12, 2021 18:09:06 GMT -5
I don’t understand the question? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a loved one to alcoholism. Which is worse, somebody saying they are drunk or a constant barrage of pushing craft beers ? The problem isn't a drunk person, the problem is pushing alcoholism. Mike and Chris do it all the time and other posters follow suit yet you are silent. That's the double standard. I took a few years off from the forums, but I don’t recall too much craft beer discussion here since I’ve been back this year. (I can’t speak to Twitter since I’m not active there, but that’s also a different forum than these forums.) I also think there’s a meaningful difference between discussing enjoying an adult beverage responsibly and bragging about drinking to excess.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 12, 2021 18:20:19 GMT -5
I really don't want Sale starting in Houston. I'd do Eovaldi, E-Rod, Pivetta, Sale, Eovaldi, E-Rod, and Houck/Sale/Bullpen/anyone who can go an inning. We're gonna have to slug big-time in this series.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 12, 2021 18:20:32 GMT -5
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a loved one to alcoholism. Which is worse, somebody saying they are drunk or a constant barrage of pushing craft beers ? The problem isn't a drunk person, the problem is pushing alcoholism. Mike and Chris do it all the time and other posters follow suit yet you are silent. That's the double standard. I took a few years off from the forums, but I don’t recall too much craft beer discussion here since I’ve been back this year. (I can’t speak to Twitter since I’m not active there, but that’s also a different forum than these forums.) I also think there’s a meaningful difference between discussing enjoying an adult beverage responsibly and bragging about drinking to excess. It's the difference between discussing classic cars and bragging about driving 120mph down the highway. There's no benefit in telling people you got drunk or drove too fast, but discussing a beer or car you enjoyed may have value to another poster. Regardless, calling this forum a bastion of drunks is hyperbole to the extreme.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2021 19:04:14 GMT -5
LOL, classic cars vs driving 120 ? Craft vs Budweeser are both alcohol. Keep fooling yourself though. Tequila parties at college were the thing in my day, no harm there. A better analogy would be Coke vs Meth.
In my life, I've known more people who were killed by alcohol than drugs and Covid combined.
jmei, you must have missed the all time classic beer thread, beer night at Salem complete with special unis. It was OK though because it was a craft beer.
The first step....
My last post on the topic, people know my view.
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Post by curtisw on Oct 12, 2021 19:04:57 GMT -5
Loving the insightful posting today. As usual. Personally I just keep watching the replay of Kikè lifting that ball to left and scoring Santana. The roar of the crowd is just absolutely perfect and electric. Fenway is an absolute animal when it sounds like that. Hoping that energy continues in the ALCS. Anyway, a magical moment to be sure. I think we do go Sale for game one. No reason to assume he will pitch poorly. He is bound to have some postseason success soon imo. His numbers this year are too good, and his BABIP is absurd as incandenza continues to note. Going to be a lot of fun come Friday. Edit just to say I think we might to Evo for one, but it’s a coin flip for me. They will be starters 1 and 2 for us, in some order. Chris Sale has a 3.03ERA in the regular season and a 7.27ERA for his postseason career. He’s the last guy I want starting. I’d probably rather see him before Barnes(and maybe Sawamura) at this time, but that would be about it on this staff. This Astros lineup is loaded and Sale would get crushed. I think we are going to find out if he can right those numbers in the postseason. I doubt they are going to refuse to give him another start frankly. Personally I think he gets a start early in the series. People were pretty down on E Rod before last night, I was nervous myself (I’m also nervous for Sale next series but I think there’s reason for optimism and it’s more fun as a fan for me to be positive generally-not all the time but as a general thing) but he came through and did well for himself and his ballclub.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 12, 2021 20:06:01 GMT -5
Thank you Arroyo for knowing how to bunt
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Post by patford on Oct 12, 2021 20:06:27 GMT -5
Chris Sale has a 3.03ERA in the regular season and a 7.27ERA for his postseason career. He’s the last guy I want starting. I’d probably rather see him before Barnes(and maybe Sawamura) at this time, but that would be about it on this staff. This Astros lineup is loaded and Sale would get crushed. I think we are going to find out if he can right those numbers in the postseason. I doubt they are going to refuse to give him another start frankly. Personally I think he gets a start early in the series. People were pretty down on E Rod before last night, I was nervous myself (I’m also nervous for Sale next series but I think there’s reason for optimism and it’s more fun as a fan for me to be positive generally-not all the time but as a general thing) but he came through and did well for himself and his ballclub. The difference is E-Rod has been up and down. Very unpredictable. Sale has been on an almost game by game decline which coincides with a loss of velocity and command. Both of those things suggest a tired arm. Now it could be similar to the dead arm pitchers sometimes feel and snap back from but the man is recovering from a major injury. Hadn't thrown an inning in well over a year and his arm strength is simply not fully built up.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2021 20:16:52 GMT -5
Of the remaining NL teams, only Atlanta will give us home Field advantage when we go to the World are you Serious.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 12, 2021 20:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 12, 2021 21:01:48 GMT -5
Anyone get a look at the Astros starting staff. Who is hot/not ? Or is it the offense carrying them? They caught us at a good time this year no excuses , they played harder at the time.
One more thing that central division conclusion a joke.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 12, 2021 22:05:30 GMT -5
McCullers had to come out after 4. Not sure of how injured he is. Hitting wise, today they bashed - before today, seems like it was Tucker and Bregman. Today it was Altuve. They will be tough. Their staff had a 5.88 ERA coming into today's game, but they only gave up one.
Gotta just play the games and see how things go!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2021 22:16:21 GMT -5
McCullers had to come out after 4. Not sure of how injured he is. Hitting wise, today they bashed - before today, seems like it was Tucker and Bregman. Today it was Altuve. They will be tough. Their staff had a 5.88 ERA coming into today's game, but they only gave up one. Gotta just play the games and see how things go! www.mlb.com/news/lance-mccullers-jr-has-forearm-discomfort
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Post by foreverred9 on Oct 12, 2021 22:30:27 GMT -5
Not what the comment you're referring to, but the velocity observation I have is pre- vs. post- injury in 2018. He used to be 95-97 on the fastball but now he's ~93. I haven't seen it drop since 2018 though.
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