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Red Sox vs. Astros 2021 ALCS Gameday Thread
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 12, 2021 17:52:49 GMT -5
10/15 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale, 5-1, 3.16, 42.2 IP, 52K:12BB) @ Astros (LHP Framber Valdez, 11-6, 3.14, 134.2 IP, 125K:58BB) 8:07 pm ET, FOX/WEEI 10/16 Red Sox (RHP Nathan Eovaldi, 11-9, 3.75, 182.1 IP, 195K:35BB) @ Astros (RHP Luis Garcia, 11-8, 3.48, 155.1 IP, 167K:50BB) 4:20 pm ET, FOX/FS1/WEEI 10/18 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez, 13-8, 4.74, 157.2 IP, 185K:47BB) vs Astros (RHP Jose Urquidy, 8-3, 3.62, 107.0 IP, 90K:19BB) 8:08 pm ET, FS1/WEEI 10/19 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 9-8, 4.53, 155.0 IP, 175K:65BB) vs Astros (RHP Zack Greinke, 11-6, 4.16, 171.0 IP, 120K:36BB) 8:08 pm ET, FS1/WEEI 10/20 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale, 5-1, 3.16, 42.2 IP, 52K:12BB) vs Astros (LHP Framber Valdez, 11-6, 3.14, 134.2 IP, 125K:58BB) 5:08 pm ET, FS1/WEEI 10/22 Red Sox (TBD) @ Astros (TBD) 8:08 pm ET, FS1/WEEI 10/23 Red Sox (TBD) @ Astros (TBD) 8:08 pm ET, FOX/WEEI (if necessary) MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2021: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 12, 2021 17:53:08 GMT -5
A lot still TBD, but thought we should get this thread going...
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Post by cdj on Oct 12, 2021 18:00:45 GMT -5
Cora’s time to get revenge on the franchise that tried to scapegoat him
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 12, 2021 18:07:17 GMT -5
Cora is not a victim
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 12, 2021 18:08:34 GMT -5
Eovaldi ERod Sale Pivetta
That’s how I’d line it up to start. Get Sale at home to try and get him right.
I went to the wild card game against the MFYs and both home games against the Rays but going to hve to take this series off. The Red Sox lost the last two playoff games against the Astros that I went to so I don’t want to jinx it. Also want to save any money for a potential World Series game which I’ve never been to.
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Post by cdj on Oct 12, 2021 18:22:27 GMT -5
Did the Astros try to scapegoat him, yes or no? Pretty easy answer. That’s all I’m saying, don’t read too much into it
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 12, 2021 18:35:44 GMT -5
Eovaldi ERod Sale Pivetta That’s how I’d line it up to start. Get Sale at home to try and get him right. I went to the wild card game against the MFYs and both home games against the Rays but going to hve to take this series off. The Red Sox lost the last two playoff games against the Astros that I went to so I don’t want to jinx it. Also want to save any money for a potential World Series game which I’ve never been to. Agreed. Starting Sale in Houston would be a big mistake, better chance we get five good innings from him feeding off the crowd in Boston.
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Post by manfred on Oct 12, 2021 18:43:44 GMT -5
Could be a trifecta: eliminate the 3 most evil teams in the AL.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Oct 12, 2021 18:59:03 GMT -5
Eovaldi ERod Sale Pivetta That’s how I’d line it up to start. Get Sale at home to try and get him right. I went to the wild card game against the MFYs and both home games against the Rays but going to hve to take this series off. The Red Sox lost the last two playoff games against the Astros that I went to so I don’t want to jinx it. Also want to save any money for a potential World Series game which I’ve never been to. That’s how I’d roll. I wouldn’t hesitate to use Pivetta in Games 1 or 2 either. Worry about Gm 4 when we get there.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 12, 2021 19:34:05 GMT -5
It came to me like a flash of lightening. An old scene from the Superman II movie. I am exercising my right to co-opt
Kneel before VerduGod !!
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Post by kjkramer on Oct 12, 2021 20:06:36 GMT -5
Im not comfortable with Sale and Edrod vs the Stros. I lead off with Eovaldi. I go Sale in game 2 with Houck ready for a quick hook. I start Pivetta in game 3 with Whitlock ready if needed. Game 4 depends on series status
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 12, 2021 20:12:45 GMT -5
It came to me like a flash of lightening. An old scene from the Superman II movie. I am exercising my right to co-opt Kneel before VerduGod !!I want the revenue from t-shirts that read: The Incredible Houck!
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Post by kjkramer on Oct 12, 2021 20:15:04 GMT -5
I cant be the only one that would almost rather see Houck and Whitlock start and Sale and Edrod in the pen? Switch roles?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 12, 2021 20:15:47 GMT -5
Eovaldi ERod Sale Pivetta That’s how I’d line it up to start. Get Sale at home to try and get him right. I went to the wild card game against the MFYs and both home games against the Rays but going to hve to take this series off. The Red Sox lost the last two playoff games against the Astros that I went to so I don’t want to jinx it. Also want to save any money for a potential World Series game which I’ve never been to. That’s how I’d roll. I wouldn’t hesitate to use Pivetta in Games 1 or 2 either. Worry about Gm 4 when we get there. I'd push Sale to game 4. That way he gets only one start in the series. Eo Pivetta E-Rod Sale If we don't sweep and there's a game 5, you're back to Eo.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 12, 2021 20:15:53 GMT -5
It came to me like a flash of lightening. An old scene from the Superman II movie. I am exercising my right to co-opt Kneel before VerduGod !!I want the revenue from t-shirts that read: The Incredible Houck!Wait, what? Those revenues are mine!
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 12, 2021 20:27:29 GMT -5
Maybe I'm nuts but I'm not starting pivetta over sale in this series. I'd have sale on a short leash but I still trust him more than pivetta.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Oct 12, 2021 20:30:04 GMT -5
We're definitely going to need long-relief performances from Houck and Pivetta against Houston. Keep them in the pen and deploy as needed. Sale has to step up, but that was always going to be true.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 12, 2021 20:45:28 GMT -5
A problem, as I see it, in this series is the three middle games at Fenway without a day off. We just don't have the pitching depth to be competitive in all three games. I'd love to see them find a low-leverage inning for Otto in one of the first three games just to see what he has. Having him as a viable reliever again would be huge. He's useless to us languishing in Barnestown.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 12, 2021 21:38:01 GMT -5
E-I-Eovaldi Sale E-Rod Houck
I like Pivetta and Whitlock as multi-inning relievers in alternating games, if you trust Houck to go 5+ IP (otherwise, Pivetta and Houck swap). Houck also available for an inning in Games 1 & 7? Mix 'n' match the one-inning guys around them.
Won't be shocked if Barnes is swapped out and either Darwinzon or Sawamura swapped in. Duran in for Shaw also wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 12, 2021 22:06:38 GMT -5
McCullers had to come out of the game after 4 today - slightly injured? Seems like the usual suspects on the stros are hitting well.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 12, 2021 22:10:10 GMT -5
I keep hearing people want Houck as a reliever than a starter but I feel like its too much of a waste. He seems like more of a horse and less of a guy that gets super fired up and throws gas for one inning like Papelbon or Kimbrel.
I much prefer him as a back end starter than as the new Whitlock. Bulk relievers have a lower ceiling of value and we hve a tough division where we need as much value as possible.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 12, 2021 22:19:20 GMT -5
McCullers had to come out of the game after 4 today - slightly injured? Seems like the usual suspects on the stros are hitting well. “I won’t know until we get a final analysis. I’d hate to speculate right now,” Strom said. “I’m praying for a best-case scenario. If it’s not to be, we have other capable starters. Right now, I’m very optimistic that he’ll be fine.”
McCullers added that he didn’t think it had anything to do with his ligament, but he still doesn’t expect to pitch for at least five or six days. The ALCS begins on Friday in Houston.www.mlb.com/news/lance-mccullers-jr-has-forearm-discomfort
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Post by cdj on Oct 12, 2021 22:33:20 GMT -5
Correa was such a good SS this year. Gonna be nice having him and Bogaerts up the middle next season.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Oct 13, 2021 0:40:19 GMT -5
Houston’s pitching doesn’t scare me. We just have to compete with their offense.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 13, 2021 2:23:00 GMT -5
Re the rotation, let's start with this:
16-13-0-97 73-0-0-67
Pivetta actually threw more pitches in a 4 day stretch than Eovaldi did in 2018, 140 to 126. However, the extra day of work and the much higher pitch count in the final game for Nate way more than offset that. OTOH, as Eovaldi took essentially a year to recover from that, it's reasonable to be on guard for Pivetta being ineffective, and you certainly want to give him as much rest as possible. I think he has to be the game 4 starter, and unavailable until then, when he would be pitching on 8 days rest.
So you have two uncertain guys among the expected starters, and only one guy stretched out to step in, in Houck. So that's an argument for starting Sale in game 2; if you need Houck for a few innings in game 2 he can hopefully fo the same thing in game 4, on 2 days rest.
The game 2 starter also pitches game 6 on an extra day of rest, and that extra day would benefit Sale more than E-Rod, it would seem.
The game 3 starter is also the game 7 starter. If Sale starts game 3 and isn't good, you can start Houck in game 7.
Now, I agree that if it weren't for all of the above, E-Eod in games 2 and 6 on the road and Sale making his next start in Fenway is somewhat of a no-brainer. So if they go with Eovaldi on regular best in game 5, this is not an easy decision. Much will depend on how Pivetta is actually feeling, info which is essentially top secret. (Why am I'm certain he was feeling less than O.K after game 4 ? That story later, along with story as to why that story is later.)
What would Nate pitching games 1, 4, and 7 look like?
Nate 1, E-Rod 2, Sale / Houck 3, Nate 4, Pivetta 5, E-Rod 6, Nate 7, with Sale fully rested to boot. There's 1 day of rest for Houck in between Sale and Pivetta, not as good as in my initial plan but better than the obvious one.
In any of these three scenarios, there is always the possibility of starting Houck in Pivetta's place and (after some amount of rest) essentially using Pivetta in Houck's role, but limiting him to 30 or 40 pitches per outing and using him just twice. And of course if Houck is not needed in Sale's start, you can sub him for Pivetta in any of these schemes.
A very interesting decision. You might want to save Eovaldi 1-4-7 for the WS, or you might want to do that now and go back to 1-5 for the WS, under the assumption that Sale and/or Pivetta will be more reliable then if you in fact win the CS. I don't think you want Nate starting 6 more times.
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