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What 2021-22 Free Agents Do You Want
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Post by gerry on Oct 25, 2021 9:56:19 GMT -5
With a legit reputation as an above average defensive SS, Iglesias became a very good defensive 2B for the Sox in 2021, and a good backup for Xander. He actually tightened up the IF defense. Over the years he has also learned to hit, in a style that kept the line moving. Those valuable skills helped the Sox get to the playoffs. Interestingly, he didnât need a career year for this. It is pretty much his norm.
Why not expect more of the same at age 32 in 2022. He would cost millions less than a 31 year old FA Marcus Semiens who actually did have a bit of a career year.
IMO Iggy + Arroyo as backup + a new up-down guy in AAA beautifully covers 2B, SS and 3B, allowing: 1. big bucks to go for X, Devers, SP, RP., etc. 2. Bloom to not block the emergence of Downs, York, etc. 3. Arroyo and Iggy to help Kiké and Verdugo keep the clubhouse lively.
I am all in on hanging onto both Iglesias and Arroyo and improving the team elsewhere.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 25, 2021 10:13:16 GMT -5
With a legit reputation as an above average defensive SS, Iglesias became a very good defensive 2B for the Sox in 2021, and a good backup for Xander. He actually tightened up the IF defense. Over the years he has also learned to hit, in a style that kept the line moving. Those valuable skills helped the Sox get to the playoffs. Interestingly, he didnât need a career year for this. It is pretty much his norm. Why not expect more of the same at age 32 in 2022. He would cost millions less than a 31 year old FA Marcus Semiens who actually did have a bit of a career year. IMO Iggy + Arroyo as backup + a new up-down guy in AAA beautifully covers 2B, SS and 3B, allowing: 1. big bucks to go for X, Devers, SP, RP., etc. 2. Bloom to not block the emergence of Downs, York, etc. 3. Arroyo and Iggy to help Kiké and Verdugo keep the clubhouse lively. I am all in on hanging onto both Iglesias and Arroyo and improving the team elsewhere. I agree 100 percent with this thinking. I don't think it's a good idea to go get semien or spend big bucks elsewhere for 2nd base. Iglesias can probably be had for a year at low money maybe incentive based deal. If there's some unforseen bidding war for him let him go. If he's back great if not honestly great too. He's not someone that is a must sign in my eyes.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 25, 2021 10:43:45 GMT -5
Iglesias last three years: 1 WAR, 1.6 WAR (covid year), 1.4 WAR. Turns 32 during the offseason. Arroyo is exactly as good as Iglesias and they already have Arroyo for several cheap years. Like everything, it depends on the price. Iglesias (like Arroyo) is below the standards that a contender should look for in a starting player*, but if you get him on a good deal, and you're up against a financial limit, then you can live with it.
*A top World Series contending team is going to average about 3 WAR per spot in the lineup.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 25, 2021 11:18:16 GMT -5
With a legit reputation as an above average defensive SS, Iglesias became a very good defensive 2B for the Sox in 2021, and a good backup for Xander. He actually tightened up the IF defense. Over the years he has also learned to hit, in a style that kept the line moving. Those valuable skills helped the Sox get to the playoffs. Interestingly, he didnât need a career year for this. It is pretty much his norm. Why not expect more of the same at age 32 in 2022. He would cost millions less than a 31 year old FA Marcus Semiens who actually did have a bit of a career year. IMO Iggy + Arroyo as backup + a new up-down guy in AAA beautifully covers 2B, SS and 3B, allowing: 1. big bucks to go for X, Devers, SP, RP., etc. 2. Bloom to not block the emergence of Downs, York, etc. 3. Arroyo and Iggy to help Kiké and Verdugo keep the clubhouse lively. I am all in on hanging onto both Iglesias and Arroyo and improving the team elsewhere. With you all the way on these ideas. This is an ideal situation for the two. And from what I read, Iglesias wants to stay. He is a superior defense first guy who can hit a bit. Arroyo is a step behind him in D but no slouch. He can improve at the bat, though. Like that he took Iggy’ advice on bunting. It worked. Having those two not only covers 2B but Ss and 3B as well.
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Post by gerry on Oct 25, 2021 11:30:21 GMT -5
Iglesias last three years: 1 WAR, 1.6 WAR (covid year), 1.4 WAR. Turns 32 during the offseason. Arroyo is exactly as good as Iglesias and they already have Arroyo for several cheap years. Like everything, it depends on the price. Iglesias (like Arroyo) is below the standards that a contender should look for in a starting player*, but if you get him on a good deal, and you're up against a financial limit, then you can live with it.
*A top World Series contending team is going to average about 3 WAR per spot in the lineup.
I wonder how much of that 2021 1.4 WAR was earned in two months as a 2nd baseman with the Sox? Am thinking about context here. For example, I wonder how much his 2nd base performance improved the Sox IF at the end of 2021; and, in general, improved the team? We know he had a couple of just ok years lately, but doesn’t that 1.6 in 2020 looks pretty good? I wonder if, as a 2B his 2022 WAR might near that hypothetical contender 3 WAR. IMO he seemed to help them contend this year. He and Schwarber each made a huge difference in even getting to this postseason. I would argue that Iggy, at 2B (and as a versatile SS/3B backup), might be pretty close to that level. And we still don’t even know how good Arroyo could be. That’s a potentially dynamic duo.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 25, 2021 11:39:10 GMT -5
Iglesias last three years: 1 WAR, 1.6 WAR (covid year), 1.4 WAR. Turns 32 during the offseason. Arroyo is exactly as good as Iglesias and they already have Arroyo for several cheap years. Like everything, it depends on the price. Iglesias (like Arroyo) is below the standards that a contender should look for in a starting player*, but if you get him on a good deal, and you're up against a financial limit, then you can live with it.
*A top World Series contending team is going to average about 3 WAR per spot in the lineup.
The problem with Arroyo is he's so injury prone. In 57 games he put up a 1.4 WAR. In 23 games for sox Iglesias had .4. Ideally Arroyo stays healthy but they need a solid backup plan and Iglesias could be that guy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2021 11:48:27 GMT -5
I keep hearing about Bogaerts's defense but by both FanGraphs (dWAR 7.7 UZR/150 2.3) and BRef (dWAR 0.3 lgRFG 3.72) he's doing pretty well. For comparison, Correa's numbers: (dWAR 9.6 UZR/150 3.1) (dWAR 2.9 lgRFG 3.72), and Corey Seagar (dWAR 0.8 UZR/150 -14.1) (dWAR 0.5 lgRFG 3.74). Bogaerts is also a fWAR 5.2/4.9 bWAR player. I mean, what/who do you want instead? Reading a lot of people here, you'd think Bogaerts's defense is akin to Jeter in his last five years. It really is bad, Statcast has him consistently below average: baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/xander-bogaerts-593428?stats=statcast-r-fielding-mlbThis year only 7 players in baseball has more than -10 OAA (one of them being Devers). What makes you think that stat is better compared to Fangraphs and Baseball Refrence who have been doing it a lot longer.
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Post by agastonguay13 on Oct 25, 2021 11:50:33 GMT -5
I've made my plan clear on other forum topics, but overall:
You need a starter. There are many reasons why Scherzer is the best fit for Boston and Boston is a good fit for Scherzer. 1) Scherzer is older, so he won't command a Gerrit Cole-like 8 year deal. 2 years is preferable, 3 is fine, 4 is agreeable if the price is right. I'd pay him $30m per if that's what it took. He's a gamer with a proven playoff pedigree.
2) cap-wise, we have no idea what/if the cap will be, but I don't see it going down. Yes, you'll likely exceed THIS cap in 2022, but there's a TON of money coming off the books after '22, including $16mm in dead money to David Price. Sure, there will need to be other signings and extensions, but you can make it work for 3 years.
3) Scherzer cannot be made a QO by the Dodgers. Meaning he will not cause you to forfeit your 1st round pick. That's EXTREMELY important when you're trying to build a farm system that can continue to feed you consistently rather than a feast and famine system they've been toiling through. 1st round picks are important for both the talent available at those spots, as well as the boon they provide for the bonus pool.
4) As stated above in this post, Scherzer is the ultimate gamer, and it's likely he's going to want to win wherever he signs his *likely* final contract. This year's Red Sox team showed the league that they're ready to compete. Free agents notice things like clubhouse culture, organizational willingness and ability to address needs, and fan support. All three of those metrics were through the roof this season. With team leaders like Eovaldi even admitting that they were upset the organization didn't do more at the deadline, but proving the org right by playing to 6 games in the ALCS.
4a) I don't necessarily understand the narrative that Scherzer will NOT sign back east. At the deadline he approved a potential trade to Boston, so signing a free agent deal there doesn't seem out of the question. Yes, I've read multiple reports of him liking it out west, but nothing seems like it's a deal breaker to be on the east coast.
4b) The Dodgers; they're stuck paying Bauer like $35m for the next 2 years, as he will most definitely not be exercising his opt outs now with his legal issues. They also have the Kershaw situation. He's a free agent, but he's one of the best pitchers in the game, but he's oft injured, but he's a home grown superstar, but he'll cost a lot of money to re-sign. Lots to sift through, but at the end of the day, how would the team and/or fan base react if you let Kershaw walk and re-signed an aging Scherzer? I imagine not well. I also can't see them paying 3 starters $30+m each for at least the next 2 seasons. Not to mention Buehler's Arb $$ and inevitable extension, Betts' mega deal, one of T.Turner/Seager, and Bellinger. Gotta think Scherzer is the odd man out simply due to age.
These are all reasons why Max Scherzer and the Red Sox make an excellent match.
Thank you for coming to my Tedtalk.
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Post by blizzards39 on Oct 25, 2021 11:57:39 GMT -5
I've made my plan clear on other forum topics, but overall: You need a starter. There are many reasons why Scherzer is the best fit for Boston and Boston is a good fit for Scherzer. 1) Scherzer is older, so he won't command a Gerrit Cole-like 8 year deal. 2 years is preferable, 3 is fine, 4 is agreeable if the price is right. I'd pay him $30m per if that's what it took. He's a gamer with a proven playoff pedigree. 2) cap-wise, we have no idea what/if the cap will be, but I don't see it going down. Yes, you'll likely exceed THIS cap in 2022, but there's a TON of money coming off the books after '22, including $16mm in dead money to David Price. Sure, there will need to be other signings and extensions, but you can make it work for 3 years. 3) Scherzer cannot be made a QO by the Dodgers. Meaning he will not cause you to forfeit your 1st round pick. That's EXTREMELY important when you're trying to build a farm system that can continue to feed you consistently rather than a feast and famine system they've been toiling through. 1st round picks are important for both the talent available at those spots, as well as the boon they provide for the bonus pool. 4) As stated above in this post, Scherzer is the ultimate gamer, and it's likely he's going to want to win wherever he signs his *likely* final contract. This year's Red Sox team showed the league that they're ready to compete. Free agents notice things like clubhouse culture, organizational willingness and ability to address needs, and fan support. All three of those metrics were through the roof this season. With team leaders like Eovaldi even admitting that they were upset the organization didn't do more at the deadline, but proving the org right by playing to 6 games in the ALCS. 4a) I don't necessarily understand the narrative that Scherzer will NOT sign back east. At the deadline he approved a potential trade to Boston, so signing a free agent deal there doesn't seem out of the question. Yes, I've read multiple reports of him liking it out west, but nothing seems like it's a deal breaker to be on the east coast. 4b) The Dodgers; they're stuck paying Bauer like $35m for the next 2 years, as he will most definitely not be exercising his opt outs now with his legal issues. They also have the Kershaw situation. He's a free agent, but he's one of the best pitchers in the game, but he's oft injured, but he's a home grown superstar, but he'll cost a lot of money to re-sign. Lots to sift through, but at the end of the day, how would the team and/or fan base react if you let Kershaw walk and re-signed an aging Scherzer? I imagine not well. I also can't see them paying 3 starters $30+m each for at least the next 2 seasons. Not to mention Buehler's Arb $$ and inevitable extension, Betts' mega deal, one of T.Turner/Seager, and Bellinger. Gotta think Scherzer is the odd man out simply due to age. These are all reasons why Max Scherzer and the Red Sox make an excellent match. Thank you for coming to my Tedtalk. All of the points you make are 100% solid but they all also pertain to about 12 -15 other teams in MLB. Max is going to be hard to sign. Simple’s because so many teams will be interested.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 25, 2021 11:59:02 GMT -5
Replacing both Perez & Richards with Houck & Whitlock will help this team immensely next year as I don't think they can possibly be worse, plus they'll probably add a SP in free agency and improve the bullpen. Not to mention we get Sale the entire year and I can see him being a #2 or #3 starter going forward - pitching will be improved.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 25, 2021 12:02:22 GMT -5
Replacing both Perez & Richards with Houck & Whitlock will help this team immensely next year as I don't think they can possibly be worse, plus they'll probably add a SP in free agency and improve the bullpen. Not to mention we get Sale the entire year and I can see him being a #2 or #3 starter going forward - pitching will be improved. If Chris Sale is only a 2 or 3 going forward that would be a giant bummer. Personally he seemed like he was starting to regain his stuff late in the year. Command wasn't sharp as it could be but I think that'll come with a full offseason. I would not at all be surprised if Sale is back in the conversation of best starter in baseball by end of next year.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 25, 2021 12:05:26 GMT -5
What makes you think that stat is better compared to Fangraphs and Baseball Refrence who have been doing it a lot longer.
OAA is the best one, and my guess is you're getting a worse signal if you add in any consideration to the others. OAA isn't conveniently located on baseball reference or Fangraphs though.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 25, 2021 12:05:49 GMT -5
I've made my plan clear on other forum topics, but overall: You need a starter. There are many reasons why Scherzer is the best fit for Boston and Boston is a good fit for Scherzer. 1) Scherzer is older, so he won't command a Gerrit Cole-like 8 year deal. 2 years is preferable, 3 is fine, 4 is agreeable if the price is right. I'd pay him $30m per if that's what it took. He's a gamer with a proven playoff pedigree. 2) cap-wise, we have no idea what/if the cap will be, but I don't see it going down. Yes, you'll likely exceed THIS cap in 2022, but there's a TON of money coming off the books after '22, including $16mm in dead money to David Price. Sure, there will need to be other signings and extensions, but you can make it work for 3 years. 3) Scherzer cannot be made a QO by the Dodgers. Meaning he will not cause you to forfeit your 1st round pick. That's EXTREMELY important when you're trying to build a farm system that can continue to feed you consistently rather than a feast and famine system they've been toiling through. 1st round picks are important for both the talent available at those spots, as well as the boon they provide for the bonus pool. 4) As stated above in this post, Scherzer is the ultimate gamer, and it's likely he's going to want to win wherever he signs his *likely* final contract. This year's Red Sox team showed the league that they're ready to compete. Free agents notice things like clubhouse culture, organizational willingness and ability to address needs, and fan support. All three of those metrics were through the roof this season. With team leaders like Eovaldi even admitting that they were upset the organization didn't do more at the deadline, but proving the org right by playing to 6 games in the ALCS. 4a) I don't necessarily understand the narrative that Scherzer will NOT sign back east. At the deadline he approved a potential trade to Boston, so signing a free agent deal there doesn't seem out of the question. Yes, I've read multiple reports of him liking it out west, but nothing seems like it's a deal breaker to be on the east coast. 4b) The Dodgers; they're stuck paying Bauer like $35m for the next 2 years, as he will most definitely not be exercising his opt outs now with his legal issues. They also have the Kershaw situation. He's a free agent, but he's one of the best pitchers in the game, but he's oft injured, but he's a home grown superstar, but he'll cost a lot of money to re-sign. Lots to sift through, but at the end of the day, how would the team and/or fan base react if you let Kershaw walk and re-signed an aging Scherzer? I imagine not well. I also can't see them paying 3 starters $30+m each for at least the next 2 seasons. Not to mention Buehler's Arb $$ and inevitable extension, Betts' mega deal, one of T.Turner/Seager, and Bellinger. Gotta think Scherzer is the odd man out simply due to age. These are all reasons why Max Scherzer and the Red Sox make an excellent match. Thank you for coming to my Tedtalk. Call me crazy but I'm not giving scherzer or any pitcher for that matter a deal that's taking them into their 40s.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 25, 2021 12:08:59 GMT -5
Replacing both Perez & Richards with Houck & Whitlock will help this team immensely next year as I don't think they can possibly be worse, plus they'll probably add a SP in free agency and improve the bullpen. Not to mention we get Sale the entire year and I can see him being a #2 or #3 starter going forward - pitching will be improved. I'm not sure Houck is a legit starter yet. He has two solid pitches. Really needs a third that's more than a show me.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 25, 2021 12:09:14 GMT -5
With a legit reputation as an above average defensive SS, Iglesias became a very good defensive 2B for the Sox in 2021, and a good backup for Xander. He actually tightened up the IF defense. Over the years he has also learned to hit, in a style that kept the line moving. Those valuable skills helped the Sox get to the playoffs. Interestingly, he didnât need a career year for this. It is pretty much his norm. Why not expect more of the same at age 32 in 2022. He would cost millions less than a 31 year old FA Marcus Semiens who actually did have a bit of a career year. IMO Iggy + Arroyo as backup + a new up-down guy in AAA beautifully covers 2B, SS and 3B, allowing: 1. big bucks to go for X, Devers, SP, RP., etc. 2. Bloom to not block the emergence of Downs, York, etc. 3. Arroyo and Iggy to help Kiké and Verdugo keep the clubhouse lively. I am all in on hanging onto both Iglesias and Arroyo and improving the team elsewhere. Iglesias in 2020's short season and in his time with Red Sox this year hit way over his career averages, but he also hit like a backup infielder for the Angels, which is why he was released; plus his defense was seen as in decline. I would like to re-sign him, but I do not expect him to hit the way he does in his hot streaks. He will never draw walks. The one bright spot I would say is that he had not played for a contender since 2013 (when he played for two!), and a winter in which he knows he is going to be on a contender could inspire him to do the things that can help rejuvenate a 32 year old. I would love Marcus Semiens, however: great offense and defense, Xander insurance, likely to be even better in Fenway. 2021 was NOT a career year; 2019 was better.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 25, 2021 12:11:34 GMT -5
What makes you think that stat is better compared to Fangraphs and Baseball Refrence who have been doing it a lot longer. The straight answer for this one is that Statcast knows exactly where the fielder is for each opportunity, how far they had to run to make the play and how far he is from the bag which the baserunner is heading toward. UZR and DRS have 'zones' which they use to judge how difficult the play was to make, which isn't going to be as precise; they also break defense into fielding, throwing, errors and double-plays (I'm not sure if OAA accounts for double plays at all). That said, Statcast OAA for infielders is only 2 years old, so I'm not 100% sure it should be taken over UZR and DRS at this point - but it should definitely be strongly considered. For outfielders, I don't believe it accounts for outfield assists at all, which is why a player like Renfroe is going to look worse.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 25, 2021 12:12:09 GMT -5
With a legit reputation as an above average defensive SS, Iglesias became a very good defensive 2B for the Sox in 2021, and a good backup for Xander. He actually tightened up the IF defense. Over the years he has also learned to hit, in a style that kept the line moving. Those valuable skills helped the Sox get to the playoffs. Interestingly, he didnât need a career year for this. It is pretty much his norm. Why not expect more of the same at age 32 in 2022. He would cost millions less than a 31 year old FA Marcus Semiens who actually did have a bit of a career year. IMO Iggy + Arroyo as backup + a new up-down guy in AAA beautifully covers 2B, SS and 3B, allowing: 1. big bucks to go for X, Devers, SP, RP., etc. 2. Bloom to not block the emergence of Downs, York, etc. 3. Arroyo and Iggy to help Kiké and Verdugo keep the clubhouse lively. I am all in on hanging onto both Iglesias and Arroyo and improving the team elsewhere. Iglesias in 2020's short season and in his time with Red Sox this year hit way over his career averages, but he also hit like a backup infielder for the Angels, which is why he was released; plus his defense was seen as in decline. I would like to re-sign him, but I do not expect him to hit the way he does in his hot streaks. he will never draw walks. The one brought spot I would say is that he had not played for a contender since 2013 (when he played for two!), and a winter in which he knows he is going to be on a contender could inspire him to do the things that can help rejuvenate a 32 year old. I would love Marcus Semiens, however: great offense and defense, Xander insurance, likely to be even better in Fenway. 2021 was NOT a career year; 2019 was better. Semien worries me with his streakiness that lasts for a full year. He's got seasons like 2019 and this year where you can see why he deserves a big deal. Then you see other years like 2020 and 2018 where if he's putting up those types of years you're kind of screwed if you pay him big bucks.
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Post by manfred on Oct 25, 2021 12:12:16 GMT -5
I've made my plan clear on other forum topics, but overall: You need a starter. There are many reasons why Scherzer is the best fit for Boston and Boston is a good fit for Scherzer. 1) Scherzer is older, so he won't command a Gerrit Cole-like 8 year deal. 2 years is preferable, 3 is fine, 4 is agreeable if the price is right. I'd pay him $30m per if that's what it took. He's a gamer with a proven playoff pedigree. 2) cap-wise, we have no idea what/if the cap will be, but I don't see it going down. Yes, you'll likely exceed THIS cap in 2022, but there's a TON of money coming off the books after '22, including $16mm in dead money to David Price. Sure, there will need to be other signings and extensions, but you can make it work for 3 years. 3) Scherzer cannot be made a QO by the Dodgers. Meaning he will not cause you to forfeit your 1st round pick. That's EXTREMELY important when you're trying to build a farm system that can continue to feed you consistently rather than a feast and famine system they've been toiling through. 1st round picks are important for both the talent available at those spots, as well as the boon they provide for the bonus pool. 4) As stated above in this post, Scherzer is the ultimate gamer, and it's likely he's going to want to win wherever he signs his *likely* final contract. This year's Red Sox team showed the league that they're ready to compete. Free agents notice things like clubhouse culture, organizational willingness and ability to address needs, and fan support. All three of those metrics were through the roof this season. With team leaders like Eovaldi even admitting that they were upset the organization didn't do more at the deadline, but proving the org right by playing to 6 games in the ALCS. 4a) I don't necessarily understand the narrative that Scherzer will NOT sign back east. At the deadline he approved a potential trade to Boston, so signing a free agent deal there doesn't seem out of the question. Yes, I've read multiple reports of him liking it out west, but nothing seems like it's a deal breaker to be on the east coast. 4b) The Dodgers; they're stuck paying Bauer like $35m for the next 2 years, as he will most definitely not be exercising his opt outs now with his legal issues. They also have the Kershaw situation. He's a free agent, but he's one of the best pitchers in the game, but he's oft injured, but he's a home grown superstar, but he'll cost a lot of money to re-sign. Lots to sift through, but at the end of the day, how would the team and/or fan base react if you let Kershaw walk and re-signed an aging Scherzer? I imagine not well. I also can't see them paying 3 starters $30+m each for at least the next 2 seasons. Not to mention Buehler's Arb $$ and inevitable extension, Betts' mega deal, one of T.Turner/Seager, and Bellinger. Gotta think Scherzer is the odd man out simply due to age. These are all reasons why Max Scherzer and the Red Sox make an excellent match. Thank you for coming to my Tedtalk. Scherzer is my #1, but I bet he is a Dodger. They may be able to let Kershaw go without a peep if his elbow is shot. And we’ll see if they have to pay Bauer.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 25, 2021 12:16:30 GMT -5
I keep hearing about Bogaerts's defense but by both FanGraphs (dWAR 7.7 UZR/150 2.3) and BRef (dWAR 0.3 lgRFG 3.72) he's doing pretty well. For comparison, Correa's numbers: (dWAR 9.6 UZR/150 3.1) (dWAR 2.9 lgRFG 3.72), and Corey Seagar (dWAR 0.8 UZR/150 -14.1) (dWAR 0.5 lgRFG 3.74). Bogaerts is also a fWAR 5.2/4.9 bWAR player. I mean, what/who do you want instead? Reading a lot of people here, you'd think Bogaerts's defense is akin to Jeter in his last five years. It really is bad, Statcast has him consistently below average: baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/xander-bogaerts-593428?stats=statcast-r-fielding-mlbThis year only 7 players in baseball has more than -10 OAA (one of them being Devers). Although I agree that the left side of the Red Sox infield could use an upgrade defensively, I think this is a bit deceiving as OAA doesn't take into account opportunities. You'll notice that the 7 players worse than Bogaerts are all 3B/SS/2B as they receive more opportunities than most position players and those who are below average will naturally gravitate to a lower OAA given the additional opportunities. Bogaerts and Devers were 11th and 33rd in 'plays' this year respectively. So they're not great, but not as bad as OOA make them look, even by Statcast's criteria.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 25, 2021 12:16:52 GMT -5
Replacing both Perez & Richards with Houck & Whitlock will help this team immensely next year as I don't think they can possibly be worse, plus they'll probably add a SP in free agency and improve the bullpen. Not to mention we get Sale the entire year and I can see him being a #2 or #3 starter going forward - pitching will be improved. I'm not sure Houck is a legit starter yet. He has two solid pitches. Really needs a third that's more than a show me. Yes but replacing Perez with Houck is an upgrade any way you slice it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2021 12:17:51 GMT -5
Replacing both Perez & Richards with Houck & Whitlock will help this team immensely next year as I don't think they can possibly be worse, plus they'll probably add a SP in free agency and improve the bullpen. Not to mention we get Sale the entire year and I can see him being a #2 or #3 starter going forward - pitching will be improved. I can't think of anything worse than doing that. Neither is a proven starter that can likely give you a set amount of innings. Set up the rotation and have those guys as insurance. You can never have enough starting pitching. Nothing wrong with inning eating veterans. You need about seven starters and depth. Look at 2020 when you lose Sale and ERod. Look at this year Houck and Seabold dealt with injuries and Mata and Ward both had TJ surgery. Resign EROD and sign a guy like Jon Gray and now you have some good depth.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 25, 2021 12:18:30 GMT -5
Replacing both Perez & Richards with Houck & Whitlock will help this team immensely next year as I don't think they can possibly be worse, plus they'll probably add a SP in free agency and improve the bullpen. Not to mention we get Sale the entire year and I can see him being a #2 or #3 starter going forward - pitching will be improved. If Chris Sale is only a 2 or 3 going forward that would be a giant bummer. Personally he seemed like he was starting to regain his stuff late in the year. Command wasn't sharp as it could be but I think that'll come with a full offseason. I would not at all be surprised if Sale is back in the conversation of best starter in baseball by end of next year. The fact is he's coming off TJ and is going to be 33 - if you're expecting him to be an ace you're going to be disappointed.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Oct 25, 2021 12:20:58 GMT -5
Replacing both Perez & Richards with Houck & Whitlock will help this team immensely next year as I don't think they can possibly be worse, plus they'll probably add a SP in free agency and improve the bullpen. Not to mention we get Sale the entire year and I can see him being a #2 or #3 starter going forward - pitching will be improved. I can't think of anything worse than doing that. Neither is a proven starter that can likely give you a set amount of innings. Set up the rotation and have those guys as insurance. You can never have enough starting pitching. Nothing wrong with inning eating veterans. You need about seven starters and depth. Look at 2020 when you lose Sale and ERod. Look at this year Houck and Seabold dealt with injuries and Mata and Ward both had TJ surgery. Resign EROD and sign a guy like Jon Gray and now you have some good depth. They'll add starters like I said - having those two just gives you more options. Id personally let E-Rod walk and look for short term deals like Gray, Syndergaard, Verlander, Scherzer, etc...
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Post by wcsoxfan on Oct 25, 2021 12:21:56 GMT -5
Given reports that Correa won't be returning to the Astros, I think the Red Sox are a likely destination because: - They have the money and will like his youth for likely an ~8-year contract (he just turned 27) - They can play him at 2B for 2022 - They will gain leverage to extend Bogaerts/Devers and let Bogaerts walk in FA or trade Devers; whomever doesn't get an extension - Correa could play SS or 3B 2023 and onward, at a high level - Correa is connected to Cora via his days on the Astros - Correa is Puerto Rican, and Cora is good at recruiting other Puerto Ricans
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 25, 2021 12:32:38 GMT -5
What makes you think that stat is better compared to Fangraphs and Baseball Refrence who have been doing it a lot longer.
OAA is the best one, and my guess is you're getting a worse signal if you add in any consideration to the others. OAA isn't conveniently located on baseball reference or Fangraphs though.
That's the whole point, those two basically give you the eye test versus batted ball data. Yet they've been refining them for years and years. You can try to make a better stat, doesn't mean that you actually do. I don't like Bogaerts D, yet saying he's one of the worst defenders in all of Baseball seems laughable.
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