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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 1, 2022 17:34:07 GMT -5
Yeah I think it's just a good crop of catchers at the moment. It's cyclical - I recall fairly fallow periods as well.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Feb 1, 2022 17:45:52 GMT -5
I will say finally seeing Bello getting some national rec gives me the warm and fuzzies Yes, good to see. Until last spring, I was looking forward to getting pumped and jacked when Bryan Mata reached the top 100. He had to have TJ, but Bello established himself as the top P prospect in the organization.
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 1, 2022 19:28:31 GMT -5
Top 10 Prospects 22. Boston Red Sox Name Level Tier 1. 1B Triston Casas 22 1 2. SS Marcelo Mayer 19 1 3. 2B Nick Yorke 19 1 4. SS/2B Jeter Downs 23 1 5. RHP Brayan Bello 22 2 6. 3B Blaze Jordan 19 3 7. OF Gilberto Jimenez 21 3 8. LHP Jay Groome 23 3 9. 3B Alex Binelas 21 3 10. RHP Bryan Mata 22 3 Farm System Snapshot It looks like Triston Casas (.877 OPS, 14 HR, 59 RBI) and Nick Yorke (.928 OPS, 39 XBH, 13 SB) could share the right side of the infield in Boston for a long time once they reach the majors. Don't sleep on Jeter Downs either, despite a trying 2021 season. He posted an .880 OPS with five home runs and 14 RBI in the Arizona Fall League. Despite failing to sign No. 40 overall pick Jud Fabian, the Red Sox still landed a powerful college bat in Alex Binelas. The Louisville product had a 19-homer junior season, then hit .309/.390/.583 with nine home runs and 29 RBI in 36 games in his pro debut after Milwaukee selected him in the third round. He was sent to Boston in the Hunter Renfroe-for-Jackie Bradley Jr. swap. bleacherreport.com/articles/2952854-brs-updated-mlb-farm-system-rankings-ahead-of-2022-season
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Post by stunzisox on Feb 2, 2022 0:35:21 GMT -5
There’s something I’ve been pondering since Groome regained some shine last season. Is there any chance he finds his way back onto a top 100 list or two by the end of next season if he shoves all year and makes the Worcester rotation?
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Post by jimoh on Feb 2, 2022 8:24:57 GMT -5
Jimenez above Duran, who is not listed, is quite a diss to Duran. They say that they are using the same rookie standards as mlb, 130 at bats; Duran has 112.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 2, 2022 9:20:06 GMT -5
It's also a bleacher report list, and they've got the system ranked 22nd. Fairly safe to say we can ignore this list.
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Post by bosox904 on Feb 2, 2022 9:47:34 GMT -5
It's also a bleacher report list, and they've got the system ranked 22nd. Fairly safe to say we can ignore this list. Which is 5 spots lower than 2021. Seems like they're looking for views. Then the Orioles at 8 and Pirates at 7 are too low and Cubs at 12 too high. They really don't seem to value depth or top end talent, so I have no idea how they come to their rankings. Just looking at the Rockies 1 spot ahead. Sox have 4 one, 1 two and 5 threes. Rockies have 1 one, 5 twos and 4 threes. Who wouldn't take the farm system with 3 more tier one players according to them?
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 2, 2022 9:48:33 GMT -5
It's also a bleacher report list, and they've got the system ranked 22nd. Fairly safe to say we can ignore this list. I dont mind the thought of compiling folks opinions but yes i wouldn't take this guys opinion over BA and the likes that have the sox quite a bit higher than 22. Also reading what he had to say, all he did was use the players stats, there's no extra insight to be gained from the write up.
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Post by bosox904 on Feb 2, 2022 9:54:53 GMT -5
Jimenez above Duran, who is not listed, is quite a diss to Duran. They say that they are using the same rookie standards as mlb, 130 at bats; Duran has 112. Reading the comments he seems to think Duran graduated from elbowing a prospect.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 2, 2022 10:21:44 GMT -5
Anyone know what Baseball america just ranked their system? List just announced
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 2, 2022 10:32:36 GMT -5
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Post by evanstonredsox on Feb 2, 2022 11:33:04 GMT -5
Baseball America top 30 is out.
Won’t reveal much (highly recommend buying the prospect handbook) but two I found interesting we’re Brandon Walter at 11 and Gilberto at 23.
Nick Yorke also the top second base prospect in the game.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 2, 2022 11:55:42 GMT -5
Law's ranking of Casas is way too low. He is strange with his weird biases that he takes forever to overcome.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 2, 2022 12:08:08 GMT -5
Law's ranking of Casas is way too low. He is strange with his weird biases that he takes forever to overcome. I tend to agree but I think maybe he's knocking him down due to not playing a premium position? Admittedly I didn't read the writeup he has on Casas or the rationale but I believe in the past he always tends to rate first base only prospects lower than maybe some other rankers.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Feb 2, 2022 12:47:25 GMT -5
Baseball America top 30 is out. Won’t reveal much (highly recommend buying the prospect handbook) but two I found interesting we’re Brandon Walter at 11 and Gilberto at 23. Nick Yorke also the top second base prospect in the game. Did you get the book early or is this available online for BA members?
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Post by evanstonredsox on Feb 2, 2022 14:24:15 GMT -5
Baseball America top 30 is out. Won’t reveal much (highly recommend buying the prospect handbook) but two I found interesting we’re Brandon Walter at 11 and Gilberto at 23. Nick Yorke also the top second base prospect in the game. Did you get the book early or is this available online for BA members? Available online if you buy the book through BA, apparently they’re having some printing issues so put it online in the mean time!
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 2, 2022 14:34:56 GMT -5
Law's ranking of Casas is way too low. He is strange with his weird biases that he takes forever to overcome. He certainly rocketed Yorke up despite his previous objections. I think he's just generally not as high on 1B-only types, with an obvious exception of Torkelson. I also don't think there's a huge gap between a prospect ranked in the 30s and one ranked in the 50s, especially right now. It's been harder to get good looks at guys. I have him higher, but there aren't really a ton of guys he has ahead of Casas who I'm like "well that's nuts." I mean, the glass-half-empty view of Casas is that he's a 1B-only type with a weird body and mediocre defense whose power hasn't show up consistently in game action yet. His offensive upside is that he'll be legitimately great, but I don't think it's necessarily crazy to want a first baseman to have stronger present skills. So yeah, I agree that Law can be a little hard-headed when it comes to things like this, but I think his read on Casas is on the pessimistic end of fair.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 2, 2022 14:38:02 GMT -5
Did you get the book early or is this available online for BA members? Available online if you buy the book through BA, apparently they’re having some printing issues so put it online in the mean time! Damn supply chain. Thanks for the reminder to order mine. Didn't order last year's because we didn't have a ton of bookshelf space and let's face it, we mostly use online now, but just got a new bookcase that I'm going to line all of mine up on.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 2, 2022 17:54:02 GMT -5
Available online if you buy the book through BA, apparently they’re having some printing issues so put it online in the mean time! Damn supply chain. Thanks for the reminder to order mine. Didn't order last year's because we didn't have a ton of bookshelf space and let's face it, we mostly use online now, but just got a new bookcase that I'm going to line all of mine up on. Why do you hate trees Chris?
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Post by soxinjersey on Feb 2, 2022 23:33:42 GMT -5
It's also a bleacher report list, and they've got the system ranked 22nd. Fairly safe to say we can ignore this list. Which is 5 spots lower than 2021. Seems like they're looking for views. Then the Orioles at 8 and Pirates at 7 are too low and Cubs at 12 too high. They really don't seem to value depth or top end talent, so I have no idea how they come to their rankings. Just looking at the Rockies 1 spot ahead. Sox have 4 one, 1 two and 5 threes. Rockies have 1 one, 5 twos and 4 threes. Who wouldn't take the farm system with 3 more tier one players according to them? For what it's worth, it appears that they first added the number of Tier One & Tier Two players in a system and then grouped these teams together. Then, they ranked these teams first by the number of Tier One players and then (probably) by how high these Tier One players were ranked in their Top 100. My guess is that with one more Tier Two player, the Sox would have been ranked somewhere around 13-14.
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Post by xycosis on Feb 3, 2022 9:48:45 GMT -5
It's also a bleacher report list, and they've got the system ranked 22nd. Fairly safe to say we can ignore this list. They're also the only team on the list with 4 top tier (1) talents not in the top 10. Somebody hates the sox over there.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 3, 2022 11:30:09 GMT -5
It's also a bleacher report list, and they've got the system ranked 22nd. Fairly safe to say we can ignore this list. They're also the only team on the list with 4 top tier (1) talents not in the top 10. Somebody hates the sox over there. I'mma go ahead and chalk that up to it being some rando who is throwing darts than someone having an axe to grind.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 3, 2022 12:13:59 GMT -5
Your semi-regular reminder that "Bleacher Report ranks X" is sort of like saying "Blogger ranks X." They went from a content farm where anyone could sign up to a place where they tried to get a couple serious writers on board for a minute back to a content farm where basically anyone could sign up. Look at the person writing the list - if it's not someone who you have reason to think has insight, then ignore it. There's a good chance the author knows less about the system than 80% of the people in this thread. The author in this specific case appears to specialize in the Chicago Cubs and card collecting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 3, 2022 16:18:49 GMT -5
Back on the topic of legitimate sources, apparently BA went to 40 this year.
1. Marcelo Mayer 2. Triston Casas 3. Nick Yorke 4. Jarren Duran 5. Brayan Bello 6. Jeter Downs 7. Blaze Jordan 8. Bryan Mata 9. Josh Winckowski 10. Jay Groome 11. Brandon Walter 12. Chris Murphy 13. Wilkelman Gonzalez 14. Matthew Lugo 15. Kutter Crawford 16. Tyler McDonough 17. Alex Binelas 18. Brainer Bonaci 19. Thaddeus Ward 20. Miguel Bleis 21. Connor Seabold 22. Ceddanne Rafaela 23. Gilberto Jimenez 24. Nathan Hickey 25. David Hamilton 26. Christian Koss 27. Ronaldo Hernandez 28. Eddinson Paulino 29. Connor Wong 30. Noah Song
More Prospects to Know 31. Jeremy Wu-Yelland 32. Chih-Jung Liu 33. Jhostynxon Garcia 34. Nathanael Cruz 35. Miguel Ugueto 36. Bradley Blalock 37. Luis Perales 38. Juan Chacon 39. Nick Decker 40. Brendan Cellucci
For whatever it's worth, I believe Alex only submitted 30, so the other 10 must come from the BA guys.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 3, 2022 23:15:33 GMT -5
Congratulations to Matthew Lugo for entering his fourth year on top-20 lists still without anyone ever having a single thing to say about him.
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