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Red Sox claim Kyle Tyler, DFA Hudson Potts
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 22, 2022 12:51:20 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 22, 2022 12:53:48 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 22, 2022 12:55:25 GMT -5
Fangraphs prospect report this offseason:
Tyler gained about three ticks on his heater and slider in 2021, which helped him blossom from an org guy into a legitimate relief prospect. The righty comes at hitters straight over the top with a cutter that carries more than you’d guess based on the pitch’s spin rate and efficiency, and he pairs it with a vertically-oriented, almost 12-6 slider. His game basically boils down to tunneling those two offerings, as the other three pitches are mostly ornamental. He projects as an up-and-down spot starter or long reliever.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 22, 2022 12:55:50 GMT -5
2019: "LA Angels right-handed pitcher Kyle Tyler is showing signs that he could a pitcher that could work his way up and be a help to the Angels staff in the future. Tyler was a 20th round draft pick in 2018 out of the University of Oklahoma. ... Tyler pitched for three years for the Sooners and improved every year. His junior year he went 6-2 with a 2.97 ERA striking out 84 batters and only 20 walks in 66 innings of work. [...] Tyler mixes his 91 to 94 mile per hour fastball with a wicked slider and a change-up. He hopes to bump up his velocity a few ticks to reach the mid-90’s, but he is happy with how the season has gone so far. Tyler hopes to continue to improve this season and he wants to develop a third pitch." halohangout.com/2019/07/26/la-angels-prospect-kyle-tyler-showing-tremendous-promise-in-minors/
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 22, 2022 12:55:56 GMT -5
Guess he has pedestrian stuff because there's certainly nothing wrong with his minor league numbers? Otherwise why are the pitching starved Angels letting him go? (Maybe they're dumb?)
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Post by Addam603 on Mar 22, 2022 13:26:01 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Mar 22, 2022 14:08:39 GMT -5
There will always be Rosario. Well… not *always*, but you know what I mean…
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 22, 2022 16:47:26 GMT -5
I think Potts clears. His stock dropped like a rock last year.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 22, 2022 23:20:01 GMT -5
I think Potts clears. His stock dropped like a rock last year. Potts is a 23-yo who appeared poised to repeat AA. Not sure there will be a big demand for him, nor a reason to bring him back to Portland. As it is, he would probably be splitting time with Howlett (promoted after a nice 2021 in Greenville), with Binelas and Jordan coming up behind him. Godspeed, Hudson.
Meanwhile, swapping out an underperforming AA 3B for a AAAA RHP piece of spaghetti who can start or relieve, is a no-brainer.
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 23, 2022 3:56:42 GMT -5
There will always be Rosario. Well… not *always*, but you know what I mean… Well...
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 23, 2022 7:02:28 GMT -5
There will always be Rosario. Well… not *always*, but you know what I mean… You really are hung up on that Mitch Moreland rental trade.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 23, 2022 7:13:39 GMT -5
There will always be Rosario. Well… not *always*, but you know what I mean… You really are hung up on that Mitch Moreland rental trade. He has many hang ups, doesn't make him a bad guy.
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Post by manfred on Mar 23, 2022 8:09:58 GMT -5
There will always be Rosario. Well… not *always*, but you know what I mean… You really are hung up on that Mitch Moreland rental trade. No. But people get so jazzed about these prospect packages, and I keep hearing “depth! Depth!” But what was Potts ranked when he came in? Where is he now? For all the guys we’ve shipped, who stands out as looking like future help?
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Post by stevedillard on Mar 23, 2022 8:43:08 GMT -5
The Moreland trade was huge. Who stands out as looking like future help? Marcello Mayer. How did we get him? We finished 24-36 record just behind the Orioles at 25-35. You think Moreland might have gained us one more win vs. .616 OPS Michael Chavis at first?
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Post by mobaz on Mar 23, 2022 9:05:15 GMT -5
You really are hung up on that Mitch Moreland rental trade. No. But people get so jazzed about these prospect packages, and I keep hearing “depth! Depth!” But what was Potts ranked when he came in? Where is he now? For all the guys we’ve shipped, who stands out as looking like future help? Counterpoint: Even DFA'd Rosario and Potts are more likely to be useful to the Sox than Moreland today.
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Post by jmei on Mar 23, 2022 9:59:16 GMT -5
In November 2020, Rosario was ranked 15th and Potts was ranked 17th in the SoxProspects.com rankings. At that same time, Nick Yorke was ranked 13th and Blaze Jordan was ranked 19th, and reasonable folks could have had those four in any order. Yes, sometimes prospects bust, but sometimes they break out. That's why it's nice to have a lot of them.
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Post by manfred on Mar 23, 2022 10:39:19 GMT -5
In November 2020, Rosario was ranked 15th and Potts was ranked 17th in the SoxProspects.com rankings. At that same time, Nick Yorke was ranked 13th and Blaze Jordan was ranked 19th, and reasonable folks could have had those four in any order. Yes, sometimes prospects bust, but sometimes they break out. That's why it's nice to have a lot of them. I agree overall, but it is apples to oranges. Yorke was a 1st round draft pick. As was Mayer, who someone brought up above. It is great to see the Sox get those apparently right (no guarantee historically!). But when you *trade* it is good to get a return — and that means considering opportunity cost (what other package might you have gotten) and how you use those prospects. People can blast DD for draining the system, but hr sold high on a lot of guys. I’d like to see us sell high on some of these guys while we still can.
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Post by jmei on Mar 23, 2022 10:48:10 GMT -5
In November 2020, Rosario was ranked 15th and Potts was ranked 17th in the SoxProspects.com rankings. At that same time, Nick Yorke was ranked 13th and Blaze Jordan was ranked 19th, and reasonable folks could have had those four in any order. Yes, sometimes prospects bust, but sometimes they break out. That's why it's nice to have a lot of them. I agree overall, but it is apples to oranges. Yorke was a 1st round draft pick. As was Mayer, who someone brought up above. It is great to see the Sox get those apparently right (no guarantee historically!). But when you *trade* it is good to get a return — and that means considering opportunity cost (what other package might you have gotten) and how you use those prospects. People can blast DD for draining the system, but hr sold high on a lot of guys. I’d like to see us sell high on some of these guys while we still can. Hudson Potts was a first round draft pick (albeit on an underslot deal) and Jeisson Rosario received a $1.85M signing bonus as a Dominican IFA, so it's not like those guys didn't have pedigrees.
Again, as recently as 18 months ago, those guys were rated as on the same tier as Yorke and Jordan. It's really hard to figure out which mid-tier prospects are going to break out and which ones aren't, so "just sell high on prospects" is not exactly a real strategy that you can pursue.
Instead, it's either "build depth in the farm system" or not. If you don't, yes, you lose some Potts and Rosarios along the way that you're not fussed about losing, but you also lose some Yorkes and Jordans that could have been the foundation of your next core (either as themselves or as trade pieces after they've established themselves a little more).
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 23, 2022 10:49:19 GMT -5
If one of those guys has a little 5 WAR career, then the Red Sox would have gotten like 10x the value they shipped out. If you're making a gamble that can be very profitable with an 80% fail rate, then it's kind of silly to get bent out of shape every time one busts.
Honestly the biggest cost to these two guys was we could have had another waiver wire reliever on the 40 man.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 23, 2022 11:00:59 GMT -5
Yo it was for a month of Mitch Moreland. How can anyone be mad that the return for a month of Mitch Moreland turned out to be not so great? Buying low always seems like a good theory. In practice there's a reason those guys had sinking value. As always, you have to look not just at the deal in a vacuum, but how it fits as part of the team-building exercise. In this case, Nick Pivetta's already been worth more than they shipped out at the 2020 deadline.
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Post by manfred on Mar 23, 2022 11:03:50 GMT -5
Yo it was for a month of Mitch Moreland. How can anyone be mad that the return for a month of Mitch Moreland turned out to be not so great? I am not mad. I would simply like to use the depth for positive outcomes. For example, let’s get a RF. If, as someone said, there is an 80% bust rate, then I like the odds of packaging 2-3 of these guys for some help.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 23, 2022 11:05:06 GMT -5
Yo it was for a month of Mitch Moreland. How can anyone be mad that the return for a month of Mitch Moreland turned out to be not so great? I am not mad. I would simply like to use the depth for positive outcomes. For example, let’s get a RF. If, as someone said, there is an 80% bust rate, then I like the odds of packaging 2-3 of these guys for some help. You can't package two or three Hudson Pottses for a major league right fielder.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 11:59:54 GMT -5
The Moreland trade was huge. Who stands out as looking like future help? Marcello Mayer. How did we get him? We finished 24-36 record just behind the Orioles at 25-35. You think Moreland might have gained us one more win vs. .616 OPS Michael Chavis at first? The only question about 2020 was why the Red Sox did not trade JBJ too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 12:02:02 GMT -5
In November 2020, Rosario was ranked 15th and Potts was ranked 17th in the SoxProspects.com rankings. At that same time, Nick Yorke was ranked 13th and Blaze Jordan was ranked 19th, and reasonable folks could have had those four in any order. Yes, sometimes prospects bust, but sometimes they break out. That's why it's nice to have a lot of them. Very, very, very well said 😀!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 12:12:07 GMT -5
I agree overall, but it is apples to oranges. Yorke was a 1st round draft pick. As was Mayer, who someone brought up above. It is great to see the Sox get those apparently right (no guarantee historically!). But when you *trade* it is good to get a return — and that means considering opportunity cost (what other package might you have gotten) and how you use those prospects. People can blast DD for draining the system, but hr sold high on a lot of guys. I’d like to see us sell high on some of these guys while we still can. Hudson Potts was a first round draft pick (albeit on an underslot deal) and Jeisson Rosario received a $1.85M signing bonus as a Dominican IFA, so it's not like those guys didn't have pedigrees.
Again, as recently as 18 months ago, those guys were rated as on the same tier as Yorke and Jordan. It's really hard to figure out which mid-tier prospects are going to break out and which ones aren't, so "just sell high on prospects" is not exactly a real strategy that you can pursue.
Instead, it's either "build depth in the farm system" or not. If you don't, yes, you lose some Potts and Rosarios along the way that you're not fussed about losing, but you also lose some Yorkes and Jordans that could have been the foundation of your next core (either as themselves or as trade pieces after they've established themselves a little more). Agree 100 percent! In addition, if you are always trading for MLB players, your payroll is high and you are getting players’ declining years. NYY - Ellsbury, A-Rod until age 42,…. and average MLB talent that becomes well below MLB talent. No thank you! This 50+ years as a Red Sox fan would see lots of prospects graduate from Worcester and spend the next 7 years in Boston before the west coast money bags team pays for declining years.
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