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Red Sox claim Kyle Tyler, DFA Hudson Potts
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 23, 2022 14:22:15 GMT -5
And lets consider how Tampa Bay has been able to have the same record as the Sox over the last 15 years with less than half the payroll and how they did it. Pretty sure there was a lot of trades just like that one every year, I think Chaim knows what he is doing. I wonder how much of this has to do with your pro DD anti Chaim view of the baseball world.
I think you need to come around to the fact that he is doing a great job. Yes I said great. He and his little deals have been instrumental in building the farm back up and fielding a playoff team at the same time. DD did a great job also btw, they just have different styles.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 10:11:57 GMT -5
And lets consider how Tampa Bay has been able to have the same record as the Sox over the last 15 years with less than half the payroll and how they did it. Pretty sure there was a lot of trades just like that one every year, I think Chaim knows what he is doing. I wonder how much of this has to do with your pro DD anti Chaim view of the baseball world. I think you need to come around to the fact that he is doing a great job. Yes I said great. He and his little deals have been instrumental in building the farm back up and fielding a playoff team at the same time. DD did a great job also btw, they just have different styles. DD got results at a very, very high price in 1)dollar terms, 2)CBT (tax + lost draft round picks), 3)scorched earth (look at the mess he left behind in Detroit and Miami. Bloom waiver claims and trading for prospects nets results, not on every move, but often enough to create success. Kyle Tyler may/probably never pitch in the MLB for the Red Sox, but it does not mean the move is meaningless as these moves incrementally improve the roster. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 24, 2022 12:07:50 GMT -5
And lets consider how Tampa Bay has been able to have the same record as the Sox over the last 15 years with less than half the payroll and how they did it. Pretty sure there was a lot of trades just like that one every year, I think Chaim knows what he is doing. I wonder how much of this has to do with your pro DD anti Chaim view of the baseball world. I think you need to come around to the fact that he is doing a great job. Yes I said great. He and his little deals have been instrumental in building the farm back up and fielding a playoff team at the same time. DD did a great job also btw, they just have different styles. DD got results at a very, very high price in 1)dollar terms, 2)CBT (tax + lost draft round picks), 3)scorched earth (look at the mess he left behind in Detroit and Miami. Bloom waiver claims and trading for prospects nets results, not on every move, but often enough to create success. Kyle Tyler may/probably never pitch in the MLB for the Red Sox, but it does not mean the move is meaningless as these moves incrementally improve the roster. I think Tyler will pitch in the MLB for the Red Sox, likely this year. He pitched in five games for the Angels last year and wasn't horrible. Not sure why they released him but it shouldn't have been for his performance last year in the majors or minors.
Also, I'd like to remind everyone that the Red Sox didn't lose a first-round draft pick when they were penalized for abusing the CBT, which seems to be a common perception; their first-round pick dropped ten spots. They wound up picking Cameron Cannon (at an under-slot deal) with their 1st pick in 2019 at 42 instead of 32.
I just went back and looked at the 10 guys that would have been available if they had picked at 32 who weren't available at 42 and, according to FG, two of them are 50s, two 45+, three 45s, and one each 40+, 40, and 35+. They rank Cannon as a 40 (and also Matthew Lugo, who was paid over slot with some of the savings from Cannon's deal), so there's a good chance that the Sox could have selected a better prospect with that pick if they hadn't been penalized.
I'll trade that difference in prospects for the flag that will forever fly above Fenway, every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And I'd do it again if I thought it would give me a significantly better chance of raising another flag.
N.B. To control for the DD administration's ability to pick draft prospects, I looked at the next 10 picks, after Cannon. Of those there were two 45s, three 40s, and five who didn't make their team's FG list, meaning that their FV is 35 or less. That's a pretty serious drop off from the previous 10. And it would appear that Cannon, as an under-slot guy, fit where he was picked.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 24, 2022 13:30:49 GMT -5
DD got results at a very, very high price in 1)dollar terms, 2)CBT (tax + lost draft round picks), 3)scorched earth (look at the mess he left behind in Detroit and Miami. Bloom waiver claims and trading for prospects nets results, not on every move, but often enough to create success. Kyle Tyler may/probably never pitch in the MLB for the Red Sox, but it does not mean the move is meaningless as these moves incrementally improve the roster. I think Tyler will pitch in the MLB for the Red Sox, likely this year. He pitched in five games for the Angels last year and wasn't horrible. Not sure why they released him but it shouldn't have been for his performance last year in the majors or minors.
Also, I'd like to remind everyone that the Red Sox didn't lose a first-round draft pick when they were penalized for abusing the CBT, which seems to be a common perception; their first-round pick dropped ten spots. They wound up picking Cameron Cannon (at an under-slot deal) with their 1st pick in 2019 at 42 instead of 32.
I just went back and looked at the 10 guys that would have been available if they had picked at 32 who weren't available at 42 and, according to FG, two of them are 50s, two 45+, three 45s, and one each 40+, 40, and 35+. They rank Cannon as a 40 (and also Matthew Lugo, who was paid over slot with some of the savings from Cannon's deal), so there's a good chance that the Sox could have selected a better prospect with that pick if they hadn't been penalized.
I'll trade that difference in prospects for the flag that will forever fly above Fenway, every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And I'd do it again if I thought it would give me a significantly better chance of raising another flag.
N.B. To control for the DD administration's ability to pick draft prospects, I looked at the next 10 picks, after Cannon. Of those there were two 45s, three 40s, and five who didn't make their team's FG list, meaning that their FV is 35 or less. That's a pretty serious drop off from the previous 10. And it would appear that Cannon, as an under-slot guy, fit where he was picked.
It's not really the prospects that were available 10 picks earlier, it's the loss of bonus money that would have been used throughout the entire draft. Thankfully they won, or else it would have been a lot worse like if they fell from 19 to 29. This is a penalty that teams do not want to suffer because it hurts quite a bit, especially along with the international draft money lost. The players should have fought to get those penalties removed and have only money as the penalties. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 24, 2022 14:09:31 GMT -5
Easy come. Easy go.
Kyle Tyler DFAed by the Red Sox to make room for reliever Ralph Garza.
Hope Tyler clears but doubt it. Guess Bloom prefers up and down reliever with interesting slider than spot starter?
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Post by tjb21 on Mar 25, 2022 11:52:22 GMT -5
Easy come. Easy go. Kyle Tyler DFAed by the Red Sox to make room for reliever Ralph Garza. Hope Tyler clears but doubt it. Guess Bloom prefers up and down reliever with interesting slider than spot starter? Think Bloom prefers both and is fine if Tyler gets claimed in the process. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 25, 2022 12:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 26, 2022 13:37:12 GMT -5
Bye, bye Kyle Tyler. The Padres have claimed him.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 26, 2022 13:53:55 GMT -5
DD got results at a very, very high price in 1)dollar terms, 2)CBT (tax + lost draft round picks), 3)scorched earth (look at the mess he left behind in Detroit and Miami. Bloom waiver claims and trading for prospects nets results, not on every move, but often enough to create success. Kyle Tyler may/probably never pitch in the MLB for the Red Sox, but it does not mean the move is meaningless as these moves incrementally improve the roster. I think Tyler will pitch in the MLB for the Red Sox, likely this year. He pitched in five games for the Angels last year and wasn't horrible. Not sure why they released him but it shouldn't have been for his performance last year in the majors or minors.
Also, I'd like to remind everyone that the Red Sox didn't lose a first-round draft pick when they were penalized for abusing the CBT, which seems to be a common perception; their first-round pick dropped ten spots. They wound up picking Cameron Cannon (at an under-slot deal) with their 1st pick in 2019 at 42 instead of 32.
I just went back and looked at the 10 guys that would have been available if they had picked at 32 who weren't available at 42 and, according to FG, two of them are 50s, two 45+, three 45s, and one each 40+, 40, and 35+. They rank Cannon as a 40 (and also Matthew Lugo, who was paid over slot with some of the savings from Cannon's deal), so there's a good chance that the Sox could have selected a better prospect with that pick if they hadn't been penalized.
I'll trade that difference in prospects for the flag that will forever fly above Fenway, every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And I'd do it again if I thought it would give me a significantly better chance of raising another flag.
N.B. To control for the DD administration's ability to pick draft prospects, I looked at the next 10 picks, after Cannon. Of those there were two 45s, three 40s, and five who didn't make their team's FG list, meaning that their FV is 35 or less. That's a pretty serious drop off from the previous 10. And it would appear that Cannon, as an under-slot guy, fit where he was picked.
Swing and a miss on that one... although maybe he pitches this year for the Padres. |
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