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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 8, 2022 11:34:51 GMT -5
The Sox won 92 games last year, whipped the MFYs and Rays in the playoffs then their bats went cold when the Astros decided to go for broke with the sticky stuff and MLB looked the other way.
How many games will they win in 2022? An MLB.com projection had a four-way tie in the AL East at 88-74. I'm going to go on record saying that won't happen. What do you think?
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Post by cdj on Apr 8, 2022 11:38:11 GMT -5
86-90 feels right
87-75 is my concrete prediction
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 8, 2022 11:42:45 GMT -5
Not sure why, but for some reason the misspelling is driving my brain nuts. Could someone fix the 'predictions' spelling in the last two threads? Thanks.
Thanks!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 8, 2022 11:53:09 GMT -5
Not sure why, but for some reason the misspelling is driving my brain nuts. Could someone fix the 'predictions' spelling in the last two threads? Thanks. Finally figured out how to fix it...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 8, 2022 12:02:34 GMT -5
I'm down for 93 wins. The team is better than last year. Expanded roles for Houck + Whitlock > E-Rod Trevor Story >>> Marwin Gonzalez Probably gets them another wild-card but this time the bats don't fall silent in the ALCS.
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Post by orcoaster on Apr 8, 2022 21:01:15 GMT -5
This year's team is better than last year's team, but not by a wide margin. The starting pitching is very worrisome. However, last year's team overachieved. This year's team will have to do likewise to better it.
My head says 86-90. My heart says 91-95.
The Rays, Yanks, and Sox will be a game or two apart; the Blue Jays will be a handful better than all three. That team is due to explode.
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Post by manfred on Apr 8, 2022 21:06:34 GMT -5
I’m going 90 wins. A lot went right last year. Some of those things could go less right. I think the pen will be touch-and-go all year, which could cost a few painful games. But they will also have some games when they just beat the snot out of good pitchers.
Playoffs will be close, but they might slide in.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 8, 2022 22:15:37 GMT -5
I'll go with 84 wins.
They won 92 games with a team that should have won 88 games.
I don't think their luck will be as good this season and this bullpen will lose them some close games.
I think the Sox will be battling the Yankees for 3rd place but the Sox probably place 4th, and on the outside looking in as far as the playoffs go.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 9, 2022 0:34:10 GMT -5
I think 91-92 wins mostly because I’m bearish on the Rays. Wander could have a sophomore slump (he’s the only fearsome hitter with maybe Arozarena as well) and their rotation isn’t super durable
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 9, 2022 7:27:26 GMT -5
94 wins feels about right
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Post by incandenza on Apr 9, 2022 9:35:51 GMT -5
Apparently I'm at the pessimistic end of the spectrum this year. That might be a first.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 9, 2022 10:05:49 GMT -5
89 Wins - High end, over-achievement prediction.
86 Wins - My gut/Sox-fan-brain. Also, playoff bid + make it to World Series.
83 Wins - Rough math/dispassionate trying-not-to-be-a-fan prediction.
73 Wins - Multiple starter injuries + regression + uneven pen + trading deadline sell-off prediction.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 9, 2022 11:24:58 GMT -5
I’m in the 81-85 win camp.
I have tickets to ten games this season and am optimistic about the franchise in general. But the pitching signings we made don’t make any sense to me and Sale got hurt.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 9, 2022 11:50:10 GMT -5
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Post by cheers on Apr 9, 2022 12:12:17 GMT -5
I've got 85, due to rotation and late-inning (non-Whitlock) bullpen fear. Lineup will be above-average.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 9, 2022 12:52:02 GMT -5
I have them at about .500 but with a lot of risk to the downside, meaning the possibility of a 2014 or 2015 scenario where a few things go wrong early and they never get it going.
I don't see any part of this team as outstanding. The offense is probably their strongest area, but I expect decline from JDM, KKH and less offense out of RF. The defense should be better than last year but I can't call it a strength with X and Raffy on the left side.
The four and five spots in the rotation look iffy and the BP is Whitlock and a bunch of guys Cora will have to sort through.
Just as I thought at the start of last year, I'd rather win 78 and sell at the deadline than be on the fringes of the race and either miss out on the PS or make an early exit from the PS. An 84-win season gets you nothing. You don't get future assets at the deadline and you draft in the second half of each round.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 9, 2022 12:56:54 GMT -5
Good catch, though I’m still not super afraid of him (some recency bias there after his ALDS performance lol). Without Nelson Cruz or Meadows, their lineup isn’t super deep. It’s all relative compared to Toronto, MFY, and us. Our rotation and the Rays’ rotation are relatively weak, but they have the better bullpen.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Apr 9, 2022 13:42:45 GMT -5
I have them at about .500 but with a lot of risk to the downside, meaning the possibility of a 2014 or 2015 scenario where a few things go wrong early and they never get it going. I don't see any part of this team as outstanding. The offense is probably their strongest area, but I expect decline from JDM, KKH and less offense out of RF. The defense should be better than last year but I can't call it a strength with X and Raffy on the left side. The four and five spots in the rotation look iffy and the BP is Whitlock and a bunch of guys Cora will have to sort through. Just as I thought at the start of last year, I'd rather win 78 and sell at the deadline than be on the fringes of the race and either miss out on the PS or make an early exit from the PS. An 84-win season gets you nothing. You don't get future assets at the deadline and you draft in the second half of each round.You never will know future results with certainty though, obviously if we knew for a fact the Red Sox weren't going to win the title this year it'd impact roster decisions but you have to play it out. Throwing away contending years just because you aren't the odds on favorite will decrease your chances over the long term of winning titles. Plus, even when you are the favorite to win it all, the field is the overwhelming real favorite. They were extremely close to making the WS last year, just because it didn't work out doesn't mean they were destined to fail. In order for them to have won 78 games last year, their players would've had to play much worse than they actually did. Maybe you flip some short term value for long term value, but you'd also have many players lose trade value in this transaction, as a 14 win difference likely more than offsets any "gain" you've made in future value acquired through deadline trades. Like, okay, say they flipped Erod and other pieces and didn't buy Schwarber. They might've gained prospects, but in losing that many more games it's likely they didn't receive breakout performances from guys like Whitlock, Houck, and Hernandez or guys like X, Devers, or Eovaldi got hurt. Rooting for bad team performance is going to leave real consequences. If you're already out of contention, sure, rooting to bottom out in the second half is different.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 9, 2022 14:08:40 GMT -5
Apparently I'm at the pessimistic end of the spectrum this year. That might be a first. It's only pessimistic if you think everything is going to go wrong. If you think 82 wins is toward the center of the range of outcomes you foresee, then there's nothing pessimistic, just a reasonable honest opinion.
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Post by rico6 on Apr 9, 2022 23:02:20 GMT -5
I'm in the 86-90 group. As of now, I don't think the Sox have the pitching to save the offense when it hits rough patches during the season. I remember pitchers like Clemens, Pedro, Schilling and Beckett could stop losing streaks. I don't think the Sox have the one starter that can do that. Maybe Sale or Paxton can help later this year. Although, they do have an offense that will generate runs and at times save the pitching staff. So, I think 86 to 88 wins with the team they have now.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 10, 2022 10:44:33 GMT -5
Apparently I'm at the pessimistic end of the spectrum this year. That might be a first. It's only pessimistic if you think everything is going to go wrong. If you think 82 wins is toward the center of the range of outcomes you foresee, then there's nothing pessimistic, just a reasonable honest opinion. To be honest, part of my feeling about this season is a little bit of an irrational gambler's fallacy: "they were real healthy and generally fortunate last season so they're 'due' to have worse luck this season." I think their talent level is a little higher than the number of wins I'm expecting for that reason.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 10, 2022 11:08:43 GMT -5
It's only pessimistic if you think everything is going to go wrong. If you think 82 wins is toward the center of the range of outcomes you foresee, then there's nothing pessimistic, just a reasonable honest opinion. To be honest, part of my feeling about this season is a little bit of an irrational gambler's fallacy: "they were real healthy and generally fortunate last season so they're 'due' to have worse luck this season." I think their talent level is a little higher than the number of wins I'm expecting for that reason. Makes sense. I know it sounds like a copout when doing predictions, but I usually try to pick s center figure within an 8 to 10 game swing in both directions. The Sox talent level was about 88 wins last year and they won 92. I think their talent level is about 84 wins, maybe 85 or 86. So I figure if a lot goes right they can with the division with about 94 wins and if all goes wrong they only win 74. Wide range, right? In 2019 I figured their center figure was 95 wins and 85 wins was on their bottom range and they won 84. I was way off last year. I think I had the Sox a bit under .500. I have my center too low so yeah I was really off.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 12, 2022 9:33:41 GMT -5
Failure to replace Renfroe’s offensive output will hinder any chance of slipping into the 90+ range. Suzuki would have been ideal. Loss of Sale to start the season will hurt.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2022 10:03:08 GMT -5
Failure to replace Renfroe’s offensive output will hinder any chance of slipping into the 90+ range. Suzuki would have been ideal. Loss of Sale to start the season will hurt. Renfroe was replaceable; Story, in fact, ought to be able to replace his 114 wRC+. I think one area where the team looks better is at the margins of the roster. In 2021 they had 755 PAs go to guys with a wRC+ of 58 or worse. They combined for -2.7 fWAR. If they can get their bench guys merely up to replacement level, that'll help a lot.
The biggest danger is JBJ hitting like he did last year over 500 PAs or whatever. If he's merely a below-average hitter then his defense is enough to help the team, but if he's abysmal then that becomes a real offensive anchor.
ADD: Though to be fair, I went into last season thinking the bench looked pretty good. I figured Marwin and Franchy would at least be adequate. So who knows how it'll go.
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 12, 2022 11:14:37 GMT -5
I can agree, Renfroe was replaceable. But he was not. Hernandez played an excellent 2B last year and contributed offensively. Acquisition of a RH bat such as Suzuki would have kept Kiké at 2B obviating the need to buy a SS and convert him to second at great expense. There will be regrets as we watch JBJ flail away at balls outside the zone as the season rolls along.
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