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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 23, 2022 12:44:52 GMT -5
With the Red Sox needing to send down/DFA/trade 4 relief pitchers within a week (assuming an injury doesn't open things up), what do you guys think will happen?
If they don't want to lose anyone they can send down Crawford, Danish, Valdez and Whitlock. But Whitlock seems like a 'lock' to stay while Danish and Valdez have looked good so far. Crawford seems to be the only easy decision.
Robles, Brasier, Davis and Sawamura appear to be the next group who could be DFAd or traded. Robles seems like a lock to stay. Brasier technically has an option, but I think he may have a right of refusal (can anyone confirm?). Davis has been a solid (if unspectacular lefty) since acquired. Sawamura is 'ok' but seems to be a very replaceable arm.
My ideal would be to find a trade partner for Sawamura, option Crawford & Danish and either option or trade Brasier.
What does everyone else think?
(the 4 moves are: 2 for the 28-man roster reducing to 26, 1 for Josh Taylor who is rehabbing and 1 for Rich Hill coming off the bereavement list)
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 23, 2022 13:10:57 GMT -5
I think Crawford, Danish, and Brasier get optioned and Shaw gets DFAed for Arauz's return.
By my count that would put them at 13 pitchers and a 4-man bench.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Apr 23, 2022 13:32:18 GMT -5
I think Crawford, Danish, and Brasier get optioned and Shaw gets DFAed for Arauz's return. By my count that would put them at 13 pitchers and a 4-man bench. That would give them 14 pitchers and a 3-man bench. I'm already assuming that Refsnyder doesn't stay up. If they choose to keep Refsnyder in place of Arauz, then that's 14 pitchers and a 4-man bench - one too many. Refsnyder took the spot of Arauz when he went to the COVID list. |
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Post by gator39 on Apr 23, 2022 13:51:34 GMT -5
Crawford, Danish & Brasier down to Worcester I'd say. Then either Sawamura sent down or Davis DFA'd when Taylor is ready to come back.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 23, 2022 14:21:09 GMT -5
The bench is at the right size. So they need to lose 1 pitcher to activate Hill tomorrow and 2 on 5/1. I presume the 4th pitcher referenced is for Taylor but he's had to sit since Sunday as a close contact to he's starting from scratch basically.
Danish and Crawford seem like easy calls. They can option Brasier but do we know that they can't option Sawamura?
Austin Davis seems like he needs to pick it up to stay on the roster as well.
Also keep in mind opt-outs:
Holland: 5/1 and 6/1
Danish: 6/1 and 7/1
Feliz: 5/15 and 7/15
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 30, 2022 22:14:19 GMT -5
When this thread was started, Brasier was a serious candidate to be optioned. I'm glad I waited to post!
Crawford hasn't pitched in the 7 days since his terrific outing against the Rays. They'll send him down and stretch him out as a starter.
Valdez hasn't pitched in the 6 days since he hit or walked 3 of the 4 batters he faced. He'd been excellent before that, so there's a suggestion of a physical problem. It's possible that he would have gone on the IL if they had just 13 pitchers, but if he were expected to be ready as soon as tomorrow, letting him be makes sense.
Valdez has been much better than Sawamura this year, and a bit better over the last 2 years combined ... my prediction is that they put Valdez on the IL retroactively, then option Sawamura when Valdez comes off. That avoids the weirdness of optioning him immediately after an awful appearance -- or an excellent one, if that had only happened.
Taylor was supposed to pitch both yesterday and today and did neither, so his return is not imminent.
Holland hasn't pitched well enough to exercise his opt-out.
The biggest question is who's trimmed from the 40-man when Arauz comes off the COCID list. But that's another thread!
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Post by keninten on May 1, 2022 1:59:27 GMT -5
When this thread was started, Brasier was a serious candidate to be optioned. I'm glad I waited to post!
Crawford hasn't pitched in the 7 days since his terrific outing against the Rays. They'll send him down and stretch him out as a starter.
Valdez hasn't pitched in the 6 days since he hit or walked 3 of the 4 batters he faced. He'd been excellent before that, so there's a suggestion of a physical problem. It's possible that he would have gone on the IL if they had just 13 pitchers, but if he were expected to be ready as soon as tomorrow, letting him be makes sense.
Valdez has been much better than Sawamura this year, and a bit better over the last 2 years combined ... my prediction is that they put Valdez on the IL retroactively, then option Sawamura when Valdez comes off. That avoids the weirdness of optioning him immediately after an awful appearance -- or an excellent one, if that had only happened.
Taylor was supposed to pitch both yesterday and today and did neither, so his return is not imminent.
Holland hasn't pitched well enough to exercise his opt-out.
The biggest question is who's trimmed from the 40-man when Arauz comes off the COCID list. But that's another thread!
Just curious, why would they care about the appearance? Or how would it be weird? |
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Post by jimoh on May 1, 2022 6:59:59 GMT -5
When this thread was started, Brasier was a serious candidate to be optioned. I'm glad I waited to post!
Crawford hasn't pitched in the 7 days since his terrific outing against the Rays. They'll send him down and stretch him out as a starter.
Valdez hasn't pitched in the 6 days since he hit or walked 3 of the 4 batters he faced. He'd been excellent before that, so there's a suggestion of a physical problem. It's possible that he would have gone on the IL if they had just 13 pitchers, but if he were expected to be ready as soon as tomorrow, letting him be makes sense.
Valdez has been much better than Sawamura this year, and a bit better over the last 2 years combined ... my prediction is that they put Valdez on the IL retroactively, then option Sawamura when Valdez comes off. That avoids the weirdness of optioning him immediately after an awful appearance -- or an excellent one, if that had only happened.
Taylor was supposed to pitch both yesterday and today and did neither, so his return is not imminent.
Holland hasn't pitched well enough to exercise his opt-out.
The biggest question is who's trimmed from the 40-man when Arauz comes off the COCID list. But that's another thread!
Just curious, why would they care about the appearance? Or how would it be weird? Wouldn't it be so that the other players do not think they could be cut immediately after one bad game? |
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on May 1, 2022 22:22:10 GMT -5
Valdez and Jaylin Davis down
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Post by jimoh on May 2, 2022 6:12:53 GMT -5
Valdez and Jaylin Davis down Jaylin Davis .500 .500. 500. 1.000 189 OPS+ |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 2, 2022 8:13:11 GMT -5
Valdez and Jaylin Davis down Jaylin Davis .500 .500. 500. 1.000 189 OPS+ Yep. We just sent our best hitting outfielder to AAA. WHY? Cause it's what we do. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 2, 2022 8:24:48 GMT -5
Worcester lineup is starting to get pretty crowded. Very interested to see how PT breaks down during Araúz's "rehab" and with the arrival of Davis. The arrival of Araúz pushed the Grant Williams/Nick Sogard 3B timeshare to the bench already. Gonna be a lot of guys playing 4x a week.
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Post by jimoh on May 2, 2022 9:32:14 GMT -5
Jaylin Davis .500 .500. 500. 1.000 189 OPS+ Yep. We just sent our best hitting outfielder to AAA. WHY? Cause it's what we do. Our best hitter last year was Taylor Motta at .333 .429 .833 1.262, who is hitting .370 .609 .979 in AAA for the Reds this year. |
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Post by sibbysisti on May 3, 2022 6:32:47 GMT -5
Yep. We just sent our best hitting outfielder to AAA. WHY? Cause it's what we do. Our best hitter last year was Taylor Motta at .333 .429 .833 1.262, who is hitting .370 .609 .979 in AAA for the Reds this year. Our "best hitter" last season, Taylor Motter, put up a .222/.327/.267/.594 line in 14 games for Worcester. |
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Post by jimoh on May 3, 2022 6:54:37 GMT -5
Our best hitter last year was Taylor Motta at .333 .429 .833 1.262, who is hitting .370 .609 .979 in AAA for the Reds this year. Our "best hitter" last season, Taylor Motter, put up a .222/.327/.267/.594 line in 14 games for Worcester. I don't think you understood my post or the one I was commenting on. which said that Jaylin Davis was our "best hitting outfielder." |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on May 3, 2022 9:33:02 GMT -5
Worcester lineup is starting to get pretty crowded. Very interested to see how PT breaks down during Araúz's "rehab" and with the arrival of Davis. The arrival of Araúz pushed the Grant Williams/Nick Sogard 3B timeshare to the bench already. Gonna be a lot of guys playing 4x a week. I think Arauz will get a chance to rehab and earn his way back to the big leagues but if he doesn't do the latter, he's a major DFA candidate. There's a good chance that we've already seen his ceiling. If some other team has room on their 40-man for a sub-replacement UT, so be it. Absent a significant sign of improvement over what he's been, I'd rather give guys like Fitzy and Yolmer (who is raking in Worcester - does he have an opt-out?) and eventually Williams, Hamilton, or Sogard a chance to prove themselves as that 26th man. To date, Arauz has given us no reason to justify blocking those guys' paths. |
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Post by Coreno on May 3, 2022 18:15:30 GMT -5
I would DFA Valdez before Arauz
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Post by soxinsf on May 3, 2022 19:17:57 GMT -5
I would DFA Valdez before Arauz There is a lot to like about Arauz. He is good defensively. He is a switch hitter. He needs to show that he can hit ML at a reasonable rate to stay. Otherwise he is nothing more than an organizational up and down player until he gets cut to someone else a chance. I agree that it is time to give Fitzy and Y Sanchez a look. They might not be any better than Arauz, but the Sox need help and either or both these guys might provide it. |
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Post by blizzards39 on May 3, 2022 21:17:10 GMT -5
I would DFA Valdez before Arauz There is a lot to like about Arauz. He is good defensively. He is a switch hitter. He needs to show that he can hit ML at a reasonable rate to stay. Otherwise he is nothing more than an organizational up and down player until he gets cut to someone else a chance. I agree that it is time to give Fitzy and Y Sanchez a look. They might not be any better than Arauz, but the Sox need help and either or both these guys might provide it. Only have to go a couple years back and Sox had lots of DFA options. Organizational depth is getting much better. |
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Post by gator39 on May 4, 2022 11:38:45 GMT -5
I think there is gonna be a big 40 man crunch in the offseason. I was looking at it the other day & there looks to be 8 guys at least that are gonna need to be added.
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Post by tjb21 on May 4, 2022 12:42:53 GMT -5
I think there is gonna be a big 40 man crunch in the offseason. I was looking at it the other day & there looks to be 8 guys at least that are gonna need to be added. Think this is for a different thread, and will be the case for several teams this offseason. |
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Post by wcsoxfan on May 4, 2022 13:31:41 GMT -5
I think there is gonna be a big 40 man crunch in the offseason. I was looking at it the other day & there looks to be 8 guys at least that are gonna need to be added. With the partially lost COVID season and the cancellation of the MLB rule 5 draft, I expect it will be tough for everyone. But just like with this thread, the problem of 'too many good players' tends to work itself out. There will certainly be interesting 40 man choices to monitor this year. |
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Post by radiohix on May 4, 2022 21:59:35 GMT -5
Matt Barnes should be DFA’d and I’m not reacting to his last outing, it’s been my position from the start.
A reliever with mediocre fastball and zero command and control should not be on major league roster especially a roster of a team with playoffs hopes.
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Post by notstarboard on May 4, 2022 22:15:30 GMT -5
Matt Barnes should be DFA’d and I’m not reacting to his last outing, it’s been my position from the start. A reliever with mediocre fastball and zero command and control should not be on major league roster especially a roster of a team with playoffs hopes. I keep wondering if he's hurt. How often do guys go from 97-98 with the fastball to a high effort 92-93 in like 6-9 months without an injury? If his arm is fine, I agree, he looks toast. He can't help the team like this, so the only reason you keep him is if you expect the velo to come back. |
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Post by julyanmorley on May 4, 2022 22:58:02 GMT -5
His stuff is down even from where it was during his collapse last season. Cora has been babying him - 0 back to backs all season.
Smells to me like he needs to go under the knife but he's trying to gut it out hoping his new changeup will make up for what he's lost.
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